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OfflineESanceOfCyan
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? about MAOI in substrate
    #5525630 - 04/17/06 04:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It is known that taking an MAOI with a tryptamine such as psilocybin or DMT will magnify the intensity of the trip several times.

With that out of the way, I was wondering what would be the ramifications of adding Syrian Rue to a substrate mix or just plain using it as a spawn would have in relation to potency?
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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #5525729 - 04/17/06 04:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I believe It could affect the potency, Good or bad, but Cubes Hydroxylate tryptamine... so... I'm not sure if they could Hydroxylate an MAOI like Harmine


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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5525757 - 04/17/06 04:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

if you extracted Syrian rue in water then dunked a cake in it.... it would make the cake glow under UV light if the active alkaloids were present... now you could use UV light to test to see if the Harmine was absorbed into the mushroom fruit bodies...

Cubes that glow under UV... that would be pretty


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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #5525763 - 04/17/06 04:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Just eat the MAOI with the mushrooms :wink: 

As for the effect of adding an MAOI to the substrate.  Since mushrooms secrete hydrolytic enzymes which break down organic molecules (which an MAOI is) into smaller component parts the drug would be broken down and there would be no increase in potency.


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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
    #5525766 - 04/17/06 04:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

have you considered editing your posts, rather than repeatedly replying to them yourself? i don't mean to come across as a dick (i just am  :laugh:) but it's really irritating, and you come across as really hyper.


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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: DocPsilocybin]
    #5525776 - 04/17/06 04:47 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Aren't tryptamines Organic? people add tryptamine hlc to increase potency. so not all organic substances are broken into nothing.

I'll try to remember to edit them, I just tend to forget things.

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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: DocPsilocybin]
    #5525830 - 04/17/06 04:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Care to guess as to what it would degrade to?? What effect would utilizing it in the substrate have/? if indeed the MAOI was left, would this not effect perceived potency?


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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: DocPsilocybin]
    #5525975 - 04/17/06 05:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Tryptamine hydrocholoric acid shares the same backbone and psilocybin ( 4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyl-tryptamine) The only difference is a few R groups. Hydrolytic enzymes add a hydroxyl group to one of these functional groups and makes it chemically very similar to psilocybin. Also, this is fascilitated by the hcl. Harmine doesn't have this.

MAOI's don't have this shared backbone. I'm pretty sure that their chemical structure is altered more drastically but don't quote me I don't rememeber my organic chem very well.


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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: DocPsilocybin]
    #5554773 - 04/25/06 12:28 PM (18 years, 28 days ago)

does no one else have an opinion?
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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #5555442 - 04/25/06 04:13 PM (18 years, 28 days ago)

If you'll scroll back through the posts, you'll see this exact same thread is repeated every month or so. It's already been discussed to death.
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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5555642 - 04/25/06 05:44 PM (18 years, 28 days ago)

actually these are the related threads due to people not knowing that DMT and MAOI are different things:

tryptamine content in different substrates (Author: Auditory Misperception)
DPT + substrate (Author: skullfarmer1979)
Tryptophan Substrate? (Author: shymanta)
Tryptamine HCL experimentation. (Author: dlpriest)
The DMT and tryptamine connection (Author: Sclerite)
Increasing potency using natural DMT (Author: defcheck)
tryptamine issues (Author: Sclerite)
Dunk,Trip, and Roll. (Author: ergot)
Tryptamine HCl synthesis? (OT?) (Author: Seiko)
5-meo-dipt (Author: Majortrippz)

I'm Asking About MAOI....NOT TRYPTAMINE
when i search the whole site/ prior posts i find nothing relating to MAOI in substrate!
Sorry if I'm mistaken.


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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #5634540 - 05/15/06 07:42 PM (18 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

ESanceOfCyan said:
actually these are the related threads due to people not knowing that DMT and MAOI are different things:

Tryptophan Substrate? (Author: shymanta)



That thread has nothing to do with MAOI or DMT. Nor was it posted because of an ignorance of the difference between the two.

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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: shymanta]
    #5634591 - 05/15/06 07:49 PM (18 years, 8 days ago)

Every time I see a post with this topic, I see at least three people bitching that it has been said before. Has anyone stopped to think that it is an interesting subject that people like to talk about. If you don't want to talk about it, don't reply to the post. To discourage social activity because your ego has already stated the definitive truth on a subject is ridiculous. I say the word "the" a whole lot, too. It starts a sentence out nicely. But I won't stop saying it because someone else has already used that word.

End rant...

Edited by shymanta (05/29/06 12:19 AM)

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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #6248040 - 11/04/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hey, I am thinking about adding rue to my substrate right now. My hypothesis is that it will act as a mutagen because harmine according to the MSDS(Material Data Safety Sheet) is a mutagen. It may also act as an auxin promoting growth. Or at least it will look really cool under a blacklight. I think it is interesting that psilocybin is photoactive and so is Harmine.

Edited by Cerebro (01/30/07 06:02 PM)

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Re: ? about MAOI in substrate [Re: Cerebro]
    #6256722 - 11/07/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

passing an MAOI on to someone who may be taking an SSRI is pretty dangerous, I have wacked out friends, a few are on paxil, or some other SSRI, using advanced techniques are cool and all, adding this and that, but adding something that could adversely affect a person that's also taking another medication comes in to play, some people just don't advertise the meds they take, you know?

also, with all the energy put into doing stuff like this for cubensis, seems a triple waste of time, considering other species, that aren't that difficult to cultivate, have much more potency.

and yeah, this actually has been discussed umpteen million times, over a span of years. Maybe not in this EXACT context, but doing a few searches would yeild you the same info.

either way, be careful and have fun!

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