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OfflineOctavius
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Fruit Cake
    #5525360 - 04/17/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's time i bash religions.

I look at christians and all I can think of is fruit cake. Christianity is for people who have no thoughts of their own. They are trained into shape by a priest who never let's them think for their own. If they did think for themselves the church would no longer exist.

There are thousands of religions out there, all believing in different things, and what would make this book called the Bible any different from the rest.


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: Octavius]
    #5525453 - 04/17/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well for starters the three main religions all have roots in teh Old Testement so obviously there is something there. Taken purely as symbology there is more wisdom in teh bible than all other books combined probrobly.

the thing is you have been condition just like the sheep you resent. Just as they are full of blind faith you are full of blind disguet. You have not read the bible adn yet you feel you already know enough of it by the way some people act around it to make a decision. I was there too. Truth is the bible says time and time again, dont make churches. Any organized religion is against the Word of God. Like you I hate churches.

"lift a stone and you will find Me, turn a leaf and I am there"


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"Religion without science is blind, Science without religion is lame." Albert Einstein

"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: blaze2]
    #5525624 - 04/17/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Octavius said:
It's time i bash religions.

I look at christians and all I can think of is fruit cake. Christianity is for people who have no thoughts of their own. They are trained into shape by a priest who never let's them think for their own. If they did think for themselves the church would no longer exist.

There are thousands of religions out there, all believing in different things, and what would make this book called the Bible any different from the rest.




:lol:

Cracked me right up! :smirk:

The Christians that I admire wouldn't label themselves as Christians. The underlying essence that prevails in all spiritual concepts is of such a nature that categorization and labels will not apply. Spirituality revolves around one's experience of life, one's perception of reality, and focusing upon this and enchancing, increasing it.

Jesus Christ as an archetype, representing the transformation of a human being into one who identifies with awareness itself, dissolving barriers that seperate one's experience from that direct perception of reality and awareness, conducting "Christ consciousness".... that is the concept of Jesus Christ that has merit to myself, personally.

Any notion of a historical man and his life, interpreted literally, with external salvation, an external idea of "god", and a subsequent organization and following, especially taken to the extreme that it is, is meaningless. It is of no real value in that it offers no oppurtunity to develop oneself, no transformation of one's mind.... an abundance of delusion, of not knowing reality for what it is, which is exactly what spirituality, what Christ is, directly experiencing, knowing reality!

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Like being here
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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5525705 - 04/17/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ok I agree with the first two paragraphs you wrote fireworks but you lost me on the third one heres why.

The only way to truly experiance Christ conciousness is by believing in God. Until then you are still not there. Worship Him however you want, but you must believe in God. Jesus left no doubt on that man. You cant take parts of his teachings and leave others behind. Its a package deal. You either are christ like or you arent, and christ certainly worshiped God. You dont have to believe he was ressurected or that any of his signs were real miracles, but God is no miracle. He just is the natural order and way of things.

Its funny but if you really strive for the christ consciousness, then in a way you already believe in God, even if you refuse to admit it. The faith that everyone has good in them, that we are all connected, and that we can and should all help each other. In other words christ taught Love, and God IS love.


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"Religion without science is blind, Science without religion is lame." Albert Einstein

"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: blaze2]
    #5526030 - 04/17/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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blaze2 said:
heres why.




:eek:

I hope others will take note that you have made a statement, and then proceeded to demonstrate why you think that. :thumbup:

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The only way to truly experiance Christ conciousness is by believing in God.  Until then you are still not there.




Makes sense, but what is the God that one is believing in? I would personally think it would be awareness itself - one would have to believe in awareness in order to pursue advancing one's awareness.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: Octavius]
    #5526096 - 04/17/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Unfortunately most people are stupid. So I'd say that religion isn't stupid, but the majority of people are stupid, so the majority of religious people are stupid. But so are the majority of aetheists.

My major problem with religion is that it stops you questioning. And as soon as you accept something without any questioning then that, in my opinion, is unhealthy as you have closed off your mind. However, logically it is as "stupid" to say "I definitely do not believe" as it is to say "I definitely believe", as again you have no proof.

As blaze2 said, there is so much wisdom in the bible. It's essentially the wisdom of countless generation in one book. As a result its a hugely valuable and worthwhile document of human thought and morality. Whether or not you want to start believing in all the stories is up to you, but to put yourself above it altogether is incredibly stupid and arrogant.


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: mr_kite]
    #5526110 - 04/17/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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mr_kite said:
Unfortunately most people are stupid. So I'd say that religion isn't stupid, but the majority of people are stupid, so the majority of religious people are stupid. But so are the majority of aetheists.




I'd say that I question that reasoning. As, unfortunately, most people are stupid, and religion was created by people, the likelihood is that most religions are stupid as a result. :lol:

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My major problem with religion is that it stops you questioning. And as soon as you accept something without any questioning then that, in my opinion, is unhealthy as you have closed off your mind. However, logically it is as "stupid" to say "I definitely do not believe" as it is to say "I definitely believe", as again you have no proof.




Exactly. A free-thinking individual will not conform to any preconceived notions and beliefs. One would be free to take into consideration any aspect of said religion, and would feel free to apply it in any way they wish, if at all.

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As blaze2 said, there is so much wisdom in the bible. It's essentially the wisdom of countless generation in one book. As a result its a hugely valuable and worthwhile document of human thought and morality.




Most probably true, and yet, at the same time, one still can completely do without The Bible and be just as well off. It can be a great resource, as can anything, really....

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: mr_kite]
    #5526175 - 04/17/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A religion is just a philosophy of life. The purpose of a religion (including atheism) is to end all confusion. All (respected) religions preach the same things, they will all teach you how to become a better person, but each has their own spin on what that means and how to teach it. The problem with trying to teach someone about spirituality is that often, instead of looking at the morals of a story, people focus on the story itself.

Octavius if you're interested read up on some of the eastern religions, especially Taoism and Buddhism.


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: Akamatsu]
    #5526300 - 04/17/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Read the book "Siddhartha" by Herman Hesse. If doesnt strike a cord with your soul then I dont know what to tell you.

Kite said. "My major problem with religion is that it stops you questioning"

I disagree I question MORE now than I did when I only took things at the face value of human perception. I've said it before I'll say it again, Im more free thinking and open minded having accepcted that there is a God, than I was when I put my faith in science. Again Organized religion DOES probrobly stop questioning, but as I always say Organized religion does not own God, or the bible. They just think they do.



fireworks said "Makes sense, but what is the God that one is believing in? I would personally think it would be awareness itself - one would have to believe in awareness in order to pursue advancing one's awareness."

It doesnt matter what you call God, so long as you believe in Him. "I AM WHO I AM" can mean alot of things.

"Most probably true, and yet, at the same time, one still can completely do without The Bible and be just as well off. It can be a great resource, as can anything, really.... "

Wrong. Name another book with as many important life lessons as the Bible has and I will give you million dollars. I was completly without the bible for 19 years and I'm telling you right now that was a stupid arrogant way to live. To avoid it because you are afraid of the questions it raises is silly. After all its just a book.

It is more than a resource it is a way for us as modern people to see what life was like thousands of years ago, it lays down the laws of brotherhood among men, and in many cases is the only historical source of many of the great events of the ancient world. No one should pass it up. I used to tell people I didnt need to read the bible either, but after I started on it I realized how stupid I was. Its full of truths about humanity and morality. You cannot debate that man. At the same time one should remain skeptical because there is some BS in there, that cant be avoided since it was written by men.


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"Religion without science is blind, Science without religion is lame." Albert Einstein

"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: Octavius]
    #5528121 - 04/18/06 01:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Octavius said:
[...]
There are thousands of religions out there, all believing in different things, and what would make this book called the Bible any different from the rest.


I think it was said already, but it is very important:
The most religions cover the same themes, the same recognition of a 'higher' subject and the same consequences for human beings.
The only difference lies in regional, cultural and temporal 'projection' of the matter.

It is much like if different persons smoke DMT. The experience in itself is almost the same for everyone, only the representation of this experience is covered in a 'subjective' context. Objectively, there is much in common. One sees it as elves, one sees it as aliens, one sees it as interdimensional beings, one sees it as angels, etc...
So, we have to dig out the essence, which lies behind of each ones interpretation !


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: Octavius]
    #5534212 - 04/19/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Octavius said:
Christianity is for people who have no thoughts of their own. They are trained into shape by a priest who never let's them think for their own. If they did think for themselves the church would no longer exist.






I am a Christian and I have never been trained by a priest, I don't even know any.


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: gregorio]
    #5537062 - 04/20/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Gregorio then why is your mind cluttered with christianity then some other religion or no religion at all.

Were you raised Christian?

Some tend to have thoughts on Christ and Christianity for they have been fed it from birth.

Only in some minds is it simple to believe otherwise that they are out there more or less searching for answers instead of sticking with what they were raised with.


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: Octavius]
    #5544611 - 04/22/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I wasn't raised a Christian. And I don't feel my mind mind is cluttered or is being controlled by anyone or anything.


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: gregorio]
    #5545900 - 04/22/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Damn. Ya'll er gettin good. Suppose this Growing Group gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. Till YOU cut the head off right. Then it splits?? That's just the nature of things.?
WHO KNEW??


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    #5545904 - 04/22/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Fruit Cake *DELETED* [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5545936 - 04/22/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5545938 - 04/22/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

when emotions lie.
WHO can feel it.
stings like a bee.
buzzes like hes crazy.
what does he need??


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5547427 - 04/23/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

most redundant thought ever. your post reminds me of me in middle school before i was able to fully rationalize the reason why we are here. bashing religion just fuels the fire of ignorance. your post obviously lacks intelligence or research. just for the record im not a religious person.


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: futurewolf42o]
    #5550363 - 04/24/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

bashing?? Do you know the language?? Or were you left in the dark.


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Re: Fruit Cake [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5550364 - 04/24/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

/*** Flooding***\

Please, stop it.

MAIA


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