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Tofu or more? 2C-D first try
    #5524075 - 04/17/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yesterday was my first time trying 2C-D. I took 40 mg wrapped in a rolling-paper. I started to notice the first effects after about 30 to 40 minutes. The come-up was quite easy and smooth. A nice body high was developing, which was a pleasant surprise because I usually don't like the effects on my body of most psychedelics. It was somewhere in-between MDMA and mescaline. MDMA has a more restless feel, while mescaline is calmer than 2C-D.

There was this sensory enhancement with subtle but nice LSD type visuals. But my emotions and thought processes almost weren't effected at all. This was a nice high but I wouldn't really call it a trip. It didn't have the emotional depth or profoundness associated with tripping. There also hadn't been any real enhancement of music, which I really missed.

About an hour after the first effects came on I felt the peak slowly wear off. The visuals faded but the body high was still there. About 2 hours after the effects started I was sure I was coming down and I decided to take another 40 mg. I had a nice time with the first dose but wasn't impressed yet.

I was assuming there would be tolerance so I didn't expect much from this second dose. But I was pleasantly surprised. The effects were stronger than my first dose. This was finally a trip! The visuals were much stronger this time, very nice and quite similar to LSD. A nice euphoria was building up and I started to grin as I played with the visuals. Subtle patterns on my ceiling suddenly became apparent and started to grow like plants while glowing with colors (my ceiling is actually white). Walls were bending and breathing. Also the music became more alive and emotionally engaging, but not as much as with shrooms or acid. My thoughts were still quite clear and there was hardly any confusion. This was easy to handle.

The second peak also only lasted for about an hour. When I felt the effects continue to diminish I still wasn't satisfied. Two hours had passed since the second dose came up. I didn't want to take more 2C-D because I felt I had seen what this compound is about. So I decided to take 18 mg of 4-HO-DiPT because it's a tryptamine and also easy to handle.

The effects came on nice. This added something that the 2C-D was lacking, a sense of mystery and engagement. There weren't many visuals but the feeling was playful. My wife and I decided to watch an Ali-G DVD which was very suitable for my state of mind. I recommend it for any trip as long as you're not tripping too hard. Maybe something for after the peak.

Since this compound isn't very long-lasting either, I took another 20 mg of it a few hours later. Again I had a very nice playful high. I listened to some more music. After the peak I smoked some weed and did my last nitrous. It took me a few hours before I could sleep.

2C-D is a nice psychedelic, but it's not a deep trip like shrooms or acid. If you want a mind-blowing experience, stick with acid or shrooms. Shulgin calls it "psychedelic tofu". He says that it can work well to enhance the comedown of other psychedelics but lacks something when used on its own. Now I tried 2C-D I can see what he means, I will test this hypothesis on the comedown of an acid trip one day. At higher doses though 2C-D gives a worth-wile experience on it's own (still you need to start low, as with any new substance).


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: donvliet]
    #5562636 - 04/27/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So far, in my own experience, all the phenethylamines seem to lack that depth that you're speaking of. Which is not to say they aren't fun, or course...just different.

I want to attempt a 2C-B (since that's what I've got laying around) and 4-Ho-DIPT (since that's what my friend has laying around) to get the best of both worlds. I think your post has solidified the idea. Nice to know I'm not the only user of RCs that likes to keep throwing stuff into the mix all night!

Have you tried any of the other 2C-#s and, if so, how would you relate the experience to 2C-D?


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: Radioethiopia]
    #5563173 - 04/27/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I tried 2C-B once, years ago before it became illegal here. I didn't really like the experience. Especially the body high annoyed me. It wasn't very visual or deep either. A lot of people seem to like 2C-B a lot so I don't know why it didn't do the trick for me... but I prefer 2C-D.

I also like 4-HO-DiPT. It reminds me of shrooms, but with certain aspects left out (mainly less confusion but also somewhat less depth and visuals). It also has a nice body high, somewhat similar to MDMA but less speedy.

I tried 2C-E for the first time last weekend. I took low doses because it's supposed to be a bit harder to handle than 2C-B, 2C-C and 2C-D. I took 2 doses of 5 mg about 2.5 hours apart. The first dose was just above threshold, but the second dose produced some nice effects. Still quite subtle, but interesting. It has some more depth than 2C-D, but I need to try higher doses to get to know this one.

But the phen I like best has to be mescaline. Check out my report: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5393066

As with any combo I would advise against peaking on both substances at the same time. Usually that's too much. I like one peak arriving just as the other subsides.

Like you I like to add something to the mix every once in a while. I usually keep my doses a bit low. This way I can smoothly build my trip in the direction I like. Maybe it's similar to using alcohol or weed. You don't slam down half a liter of vodka and be done for the night. You build your intoxication over a period of time.


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: donvliet]
    #5564557 - 04/27/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks. My preferred dose of 2C-E is actually 24mg, although it starts to get fun for me as low as 12.5mg. I didn't like 2C-B either; I just tried 30mg a week ago.

If I come across a source for 2C-D, I may pick up a small amount as a result of this post. I noticed the doses in both your post, and other online experience reports run a little bit higher than other phens...

The mescaline post was awesome too; I haven't attempted an extraction yet, mainly because there's been such an influx of RCs in my circle of friends. We all have fruiting cakes right now too. I was actually thinking mescaline would mix well with a low dose of psilocybin...


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: Radioethiopia]
    #5566700 - 04/28/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I usually start out with a very low dose when it's my first time with a substance, especially if people say it can be intense. I'll definitely try a somewhat higher dose of 2C-E next time, maybe 10 mg with a second dose if needed. This way I can get to know a substance with less risk of being overwhelmed.

2C-D requires higher doses than 2C-E and 2C-B, see PIHKAL and/or erowid.

I recommend trying a mescaline extraction one day. It's not easy but certainly do-able if you take your time and think things through.

I'm going to have my second try with DOC tomorrow. First time was 2 mg, which wasn't very strong (as intended) but interesting. Tomorrow I'll try 3 mg and maybe throw in some acid or shrooms after a few hours if I feel like it.


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: donvliet]
    #5568211 - 04/28/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know man...I just 10mg of DOC the other day, 5mg at a time, spaced about 8 hours apart, and I was pretty much tripping balls for 24 hours! So if you didn't like 3, you might as well jump up to 5. Not to recommend a dosage, just saying the curve isn't quite as steep as its made out to be. Also I smoked the first 5mg, which was amazing, but a little tricky.


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: Radioethiopia]
    #5573318 - 04/30/06 06:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am the cautious type, which payed off yesterday. Every time I take a psychedelic I repeat to myself: "I will accept whatever this drug will make me undergo". I make sure that I fully realize what that means. This really seems to help me to keep enjoying the experience when things get more intense than I planned for.

I took my 3 mg dose and it hit me much harder than that 2 mg dose I took a few months ago. The come-up was a bit rough and it took at least a full two hours after dosing before I could start to enjoy the experience. I was tripping quite nicely by that time, it reminded me a lot of acid. Very similar visuals, head-space, emotional depth and sensory enhancement. A bit more speedy/manic than acid and my thought-patterns were slightly less altered.

After a while I got used to this level and noticed being dissatisfied (a manifestation of the manic aspect?). I decided to add 2 mg, which also took some getting used to when it hit. But after getting comfortable again I was really tripping balls. I mean visual and audio hallucinations that might even beat my best acid trips, and a full-blown cosmic head-space. My visual field got completely covered with colorful 3D patterns that seemed to radiate from every single object in my sight while pulsating with a cosmic energy that also controlled what I was hearing. It was like my mind was actually physically touching everything I saw.

But the speedy/manic aspect also increased quite a bit. I was able to enjoy it for the best part, but sometimes I could feel the madness sneaking up on me. This drug is definitely not a toy! I consider acid to be a safer drug and probably even more rewarding in the end. Which doesn't mean that DOC isn't worth the experience, but I would be even more cautious with it than with most other psychedelics.

After about 6 hours of this cosmic voyage I felt myself slowly sliding out off the peak. The psychedelic aspect faded stronger than the speedy/manic aspect. I knew I wasn't going to get any sleep for a long time so I just entertained myself with a low dose of shrooms, music, movies and the internet. The shrooms were interesting and slightly soothing but nothing remarkable after what i had just been shown. There was no synergy between the drugs, but they also didn't clash.

Now, 26 hours after my first dose I haven't even bothered to try to sleep. I know that I will only get frustrated if I can't sleep and I don't really feel sleepy yet anyway.


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: donvliet]
    #5579813 - 05/01/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, yes...speedy/manic definitely describes the less pleasant elements of the DOC trip. Now I know it wasn't just me! It is very hard to say if the dissatisfaction is a by-product of the trip itself, or a genuine desire to go further. I'm glad you redosed, because I did the same thing, mainly because the peak is so early on, yet you know you're going to be quite altered for hours and hours and hours to come, so...y,know, you might as well intensify it. After I smoked another 2mg or so, and ate 3mg...*whew*...suffice it to say, I was very, very fucking far from dissatisfied!!!

I also have been telling my friends that DOC is not a toy. It should not be "for sale", if you know what I mean. It's for serious trippers, to be used as a tool or at the least, a planned, respectful experience. My 10 mg experience was a little extreme and terrifying, yet the chemical's effect was so profound, I am more than happy to do it again someday under more appropriate circumstances. I'm actually trying to coordinate a "DOC day" this summer with 3 close friends (probably about 25mg between the 4 of us - some smoked, some eaten).


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: Radioethiopia]
    #5580665 - 05/02/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

LSD was once thought of being so different in America untill whoever the Doctor's name was came a long and made it a epicademic, or am I wrong about the epic part? I think the 2C's are similar in that way that it just has a brand new kick like LSD once had and 2C's or a group of the sorts that produce the most significant effects are appreciated by one and/or lacking to another.


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #5581409 - 05/02/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Does someone have an idea how to reduce the speedy/manic aspect of DOC while maintaining the rest of the experience? I will try meditation between dosing and come-up. But I would also like to know about combining DOC with something else to achieve some improvement. Maybe a combination with acid will allow you to take less DOC to achieve the same effects with less drawbacks. Or maybe a small dose of MDMA, although that might just do the opposite...


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Re: Tofu or more? 2C-D first try [Re: donvliet]
    #5582687 - 05/02/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Certainly not methylenedioxymethamphetamine!! You know better than that!

I would actually suggest low repeated doses of valium, or at least diphenhydramine, and/or a few screwdrivers, to allow you to dose higher on the DOC without blurring it with another psychedelic. I like a good mixer-trip, but I can't see DOC's negative effects being negated by any other hallucinogens. I would like to smoke some 20x Salvia next time I dose, however!


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