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Jesus Has Risen
    #5521341 - 04/16/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The title of an intriguing, Christian pornography. :smirk:

Why is it that all Christian holidays revolving around Jesus are simply meaningless events that cause retail managers to delight and involve other impossible deities bringing gifts? :nonono:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5521587 - 04/16/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They were also all originally pagan celebrations of magic and fertility.  The Christians white-washed and took over the pagan practices while they were strong-arming the pagans into worshipping Christ.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5521589 - 04/16/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They're not really meaningless. Christianity didn't manifest at the same time of the price tag and cash register.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5521603 - 04/16/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Still, the obvious joy of the grandmother slowly following her granddaughter tracking wayward Easter eggs on a beautiful spring day surely must count for something. It made my day anyway. Or was her arthritis just holding her back?

Just think of it the Wal-Mart way. Do they have Easter in China?


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5521611 - 04/16/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, that form of celebration is very much in keeping with the ancient tradition.  Oestre, the goddess of fertility, is honored by the ritualistic painting of eggs.  This tradition would be passed along the matrilineal descent (mother to daughter).

http://home.earthlink.net/~yvonr/pagan/yearwheel/oestre.html

Wal-mart, however, came much later. :wink:


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Basilides]
    #5521666 - 04/16/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Still, the obvious joy of the grandmother slowly following her granddaughter tracking wayward Easter eggs on a beautiful spring day surely must count for something.  It made my day anyway.  Or was her arthritis just holding her back?




It certainly does count for something. :wink: Why does such an oppurtunity for family bonding and sharing of a great experience have to be put within the context of meaningless drivel, you know?

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Wal-mart, however, came much later. :wink:




So we would like you to believe. :evil:

Wal*Mart is the alpha and the omega. :grin:

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They're not really meaningless. Christianity didn't manifest at the same time of the price tag and cash register.




You are right, Christianity emerged afterwards. Jesus tipping over the money changer's table? Retail is a stronger force and has existed much longer than Christianity has. Taking into account that Scripture, wouldn't one think that Jesus would be just as angry at the mass profits derived from the suspossed celebration of his day of res-erection? :lol:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
    #5521715 - 04/16/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know if this is appropriate on Easter with that tradition thing going on but watching the obviously much younger mom in her stretch pants bending over to get some of those wayward eggs that daughter left behind caused some "risen"...

Oh yeah fertility rite and all that I'm sure my feelings fit in somewhere in that equation...


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5521722 - 04/16/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

LOL Yes, you just wanted to participate in the celebration...to honor her eggs. :wink:


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
    #5521758 - 04/16/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

[qoute]You are right, Christianity emerged afterwards. Jesus tipping over the money changer's table? Retail is a stronger force and has existed much longer than Christianity has. Taking into account that Scripture, wouldn't one think that Jesus would be just as angry at the mass profits derived from the suspossed celebration of his day of res-erection?




Yes he would be there is no question in that answer.

and I could be wrong but I dont think thats how you spell ressurection. I'm probrobly wrong too. peace

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
    #5521787 - 04/16/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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and I could be wrong but I dont think thats how you spell ressurection.  I'm probrobly wrong too.  peace




I know, I was simply tying it in with the pornography joke, concerning Jesus having risen. res-erection. :wink:

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Yes he would be there is no question in that answer.




Thus, the celebration is meaningless, within the context in which it is proposed. :grin:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522202 - 04/16/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522234 - 04/16/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

How is the celebration of Jesus being resurrected meaningless if you are a Christian? If you're a Christian then it's the most important event that ever happened, as it proved that he was the son of God and that is the central Christian belief. You can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that the rest of the world attached to their celebrations.

If however you're not a Christian, then no-one is forcing you to go buy some cream eggs.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522248 - 04/16/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If you're a Christian then it's the most important event that ever happened, as it proved he was the son of God and grounded your whole faith.




Exactly! Meaningless drivel, as I already stated. It is the literal interpretation of the Scripture in question that is meaningless. Thus, celebration of that meaningless drivel is meaningless. Comprende?

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You can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that the rest of the world attached to their celebrations.




Which is to state that you can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that they attached to their own celebrations?

Read Veritas' responses. It was their own doing. One can't attribute it to being ruined by those who aren't of the Christian faith. What about Hanukah, eh? That hasn't become the meaningless ordeal that Christmas has, now has it?

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If however you're not a Christian, then no-one is forcing you to go buy some cream eggs.




Never said they were.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522285 - 04/16/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If you're a Christian then it's the most important event that ever happened, as it proved he was the son of God and grounded your whole faith.




Exactly! Meaningless drivel, as I already stated. It is the literal interpretation of the Scripture in question that is meaningless. Thus, celebration of that meaningless drivel is meaningless. Comprende?

That's not meaningless interpretation of the scripture. That's called faith. If you believe then you have faith in that belief; just because YOU personally don't believe in anything doesn't mean you can dismiss other peopl's beliefs as "meaninless drivel". That's a pretty intolerant outlook.

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You can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that the rest of the world attached to their celebrations.




Which is to state that you can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that they attached to their own celebrations? Read Veritas' responses. It was their own doing. One can't attribute it to being ruined by those who aren't of the Christian faith. What about Hanukah, eh? That hasn't become the meaningless ordeal that Christmas has, now has it?

Hanukah hasn't been the prevalent festival in America and Europe in the past 100 years. America was a Christian country and as religion dwindled people adapted the festivals into their own, nonreligious celebrations ie the "bullshit" you are talking about. Try going to a church one easter sunday, its not all about eggs and bunnies there. And exactly what bullshit did the Christians attach to their own festival?


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Great! Consider trying it sometime.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522310 - 04/16/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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That's not meaningless interpretation of the scripture. That's called faith. If you believe then you have faith in that belief; just because YOU personally don't believe in anything doesn't mean you can dismiss other peopl's beliefs as "meaninless drivel". That's a pretty intolerant outlook.




Faith in an unsubstaniated misinterpretation of Scripture? I think that is fair grounds to dismiss the like as meaningless drivel. Intolerant? Try rational. Intolerance would be suppresion, not calling it by its name. :smirk:

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Hanukah hasn't been the prevalent festival in America and Europe in the past 100 years.




Because Christians didn't dilute it with meaningless drivel? :smirk:

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America was a Christian country and as religion dwindled people adapted the festivals into their own, nonreligious celebrations ie the "bullshit" you are talking about.




Eh? Apparently you didn't read Veritas' responses, did you? :shocked:

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Try going to a church one easter sunday, its not all about eggs and bunnies there.




Been there, done that. It was concerning itself mostly with the meaningless drivel derived from literal misinterpretation of baseless Scripture.

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And exactly what bullshit did the Christians attach to their own festival?




I don't know, you are the first one to start referring to bullshit being attached to the celebration. You tell me.


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Ouch




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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522325 - 04/16/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So you believe you are right? Fair enough, but why are you so convinced that other people are wrong?


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522348 - 04/16/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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So you believe you are right? Fair enough, but why are you so convinced that other people are wrong?




I'm not convinced that I am right or that others are wrong, first and foremost.

However, it is to be demonstrated that adherence to an unsubstaniated concept that is based only in what should be described as a misinterpretation of an abstract, metaphorical concept addressing spiritual truth as though it were a literal event is rather devoid of meaning.

If such has to be accepted by faith alone, then it is, quite evidently, meaningless drivel, eh? The positive effects of the celebration itself need not be placed in such a meaningless context in order to benefit from such effects. If it is a concept that does not pertain to one's direct perceptions and experience, then what is the point?

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522376 - 04/16/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"If such has to be accepted by faith alone, then it is, quite evidently, meaningless drivel, eh?"

:grin: You've just demonstrated complete lack of understanding of the concept of faith


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522403 - 04/16/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have faith that you will enlighten me on the matter. :thumbup:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522406 - 04/16/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Faith
firm belief in something for which there is no proof.




For empiricists, something for which there is no proof is meaningless. The beliefs which the faithful hold have the meaning which they have added. For others, that meaning is absent.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
    #5522417 - 04/16/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah for others that meaning is absent but that doesn't mean that those with faith are wrong...


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522423 - 04/16/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have no faith in your being enlightened. :thumbup:


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522436 - 04/16/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We cannot determine the right or wrong when we are all just guessing.  :grin:  At some later date, we may have more information about the matter.

In the meantime, my preference is to consider guesses which do not include adherance to faith-based belief systems.  Perhaps I am guessing correctly about the ultimate nature of the universe; perhaps not.  What is meaningful to me is to develop a life strategy and attitude which directly support and add to my experience.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
    #5522441 - 04/16/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"We cannot determine the right or wrong when we are all just guessing."

That's exactly my issue! Some people talk as if they are correct and other people are wrong eg the topic of this thread


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522447 - 04/16/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's just a "my guess is more accurate than your guess" argument until we have direct evidence. It does seem more scientific and rational to go with the guess that requires the least faith, but, again, that's just my preference.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
    #5522455 - 04/16/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You said it dude, your preference. "my guess is more accurate than your guess" sounds dangerous...


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522467 - 04/16/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not a dude. :wink:


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
    #5522500 - 04/16/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Cool.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522510 - 04/16/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:lol:  Yes, I think so.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522512 - 04/16/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There is some archaic archetype connected with the 'resurrection' of Jeez. Only that makes the prophecies true, that he would be the ancient Jewish messiah. That, they believed, would bring the spiritual realm to earth, or something. Nowadays, Jews have left their concept of a 'personal' messiah. They think of it like an occurrence.
Sadly sadly, we wait until now, for that spiritual realm to become true and manifest, peacefully.
That is, what the Jews still wait for.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522554 - 04/16/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

heres the problem I see most often with a number of you guys arguments. You have no hope. You see most people as having the same nature as yourselfs and cannot possibly understand why anyoen would delude themselves with religion. The problem you see is that religous people always assume to understand you as well correct? The thing is everyone can remember not understanding in God, as we are all born without this knowledge, but at some point in everyones life they are given that chance to put faith in the Lord of Hosts. wheather or not you listen to his voice when it happens is something you have to account for.

People have the vast misconception that bible teaches that God is in control of us all. That we are all playing into his plan. We are, but at teh same time it tells us if you want to make an ass of yourself go ahead, God will be waiting to forgive you at any time. Everyone plays the fool sometimes as the song goes. The bible isnt about consequences its about forgiveness. as long as organized religions have control of the sheep, then the truth of God will remain on teh back burner to the hippocritical elite. I'm freer now that I accepted God than before when I would purposely avoid religion out of disgust.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522598 - 04/16/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is a stupid and thoughtless thread. Easter is what you make it, and those to whom it means something do not control retail stores' capitalization of the matter. No, Christian holidays were not all pagan celebration days - if you're refering to Christmas, the winter solstice occures on the 21st, not Christmas day.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5522602 - 04/16/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah man. Me too.


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    #5522633 - 04/16/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Christmas Day actually comes from the celebration of Brumalia, the birth of the sun. (Birth of the son).

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...on the great day, December 25th itself, came the Brumalia (from bruma: "shortest day")--the religious observance of the sun-worshipers. This was known also as Natalis Solus Invicti: the "Birth of the Unconquerable Sun"--the date when the day began again to lengthen. It is significant that the Catholic Encyclopedia itself says--

"The well known solar feast of Natalis Invicti, celebrated on Dec. 25, has a strong claim for the responsibility of our Christmas date."

On this point, the Encyclopedia Americana says--

"In the fifth century the Western Church ordered Christmas to be celebrated forever on the day of the old Roman feast of the birth of Sol."




http://www.acts1711.com/xmas2.htm

Some Christians strongly disapproved of this re-working of Pagan holidays, and the Puritans even forbade the celebration of Christmas.

The Bible does not state that Jesus was born on December 25.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
    #5522642 - 04/16/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No kidding. It might also edify you to know that no Christians suggest that Jesus was born on the 25th.


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    #5522646 - 04/16/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The bible also does not state that Jesus was crucified on a date that changes every year.


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    #5522660 - 04/16/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Then what was your point? That it is just a random day picked out of a hat, and not an ancient Pagan celebration day? It is, in fact, a Pagan holiday which significantly pre-dates Jesus' birth.

Why celebrate Jesus' birth on a day which no Christian claims is his birthday?


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    #5522675 - 04/16/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

????????????????????

Go read up on Christian history and Christianity in general before you start trying to pick holes in Christian beliefs!


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    #5522720 - 04/16/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

For pagans, christmas is fertilization.
Easter is birth.
[summer is maturity, and autumn is harvest/recollect]
There is some concept shift to material and spiritual.
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    #5522728 - 04/16/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

*edit

Never mind. I'm forgetting my own rules about religious discussions.

Have a Happy Easter.


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    #5523014 - 04/16/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I have no faith in your being enlightened. :thumbup:




Because you do not put forth the effort to attempt to enlighten me. The purpose here is to share ideas and perspectives, and to advance understanding. You claim that I am ignorant of some concept or another, but you do nothing to advance that understanding. Lazy?

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    #5523023 - 04/16/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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    #5523024 - 04/16/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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That's exactly my issue! Some people talk as if they are correct and other people are wrong eg the topic of this thread




We've already covered this ground. Its not a matter of right and wrong, but, rather, whether or not a practice and associated concept are meaningless. People have the choice to exercise whatever imaginative, unsubstantiated belief that they wish, doesn't make them wrong, simply means that they follow meaningless drivel.

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    #5523036 - 04/16/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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This is a stupid and thoughtless thread.




A sum of its parts, eh?  :rolleyes:

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Easter is what you make it, and those to whom it means something do not control retail stores' capitalization of the matter.




:lol:

Ever heard of the econonomic concept of supply and demand? Its been effectively utilized for thousands of years, my friend. Your statement doesn't make a lot of sense when compared to images of people in church clothes, hunting easter eggs in their backyard. :shocked:

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I had thought there was more intelligence and respect among posters here.




Well, you thought wrong, now didn't you? Yes, reality does not conform to your observations.. how about that?

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    #5523040 - 04/16/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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No kidding. It might also edify you to know that no Christians suggest that Jesus was born on the 25th.




It might startle you to know that there is almost no historical references that support the existance of one Jesus Christ. :shocked:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5523042 - 04/16/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Go read up on Christian history and Christianity in general before you start trying to pick holes in Christian beliefs!




What the hell are you talking about? She is the only one in this thread that is providing external resources containing information to support her expressed viewpoints. I believe it is a case of put up or shut up, my friend, and I'd be inclined to make some suggestions pertaining to that... :lol:

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    #5523055 - 04/16/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You know I think that some people now attack you having red our disagreement. That's stupid. Firewoksgod make great points nevertheless and subsequent heat is only healthy. Just want to say that if everyone laid back a wee bit more, we would have a nice debate.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5523090 - 04/16/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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You know I think that some people now attack you having red our disagreement. That's stupid. Firewoksgod make great points nevertheless and subsequent heat is only healthy. Just want to say that if everyone laid back a wee bit more, we would have a nice debate.




:thumbup:

Not sure about which people are attacking me, though. If it is happening (where?), I sincerely doubt it would be the result of reading an exchange between myself and you, but rather their own, over-emotional, dysfunctional mind that cannot interpret reality for what it can be observed to be. :wink:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5523214 - 04/17/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Ever heard of the econonomic concept of supply and demand? Its been effectively utilized for thousands of years, my friend. Your statement doesn't make a lot of sense when compared to images of people in church clothes, hunting easter eggs in their backyard.



So you think that Easter eggs and Jesus' resurrection are shared in a unified belief? You should be filled in that the one holiday has dualistic purpose & that image of yours is self-funded and dewlling only in selective minds.

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Ever heard of the econonomic concept of supply and demand? Its been effectively utilized for thousands of years, my friend. Your statement doesn't make a lot of sense when compared to images of people in church clothes, hunting easter eggs in their backyard.



5 years of serious studies has gained me a good knowledge of what there is and isn't historically. You assumption of my knowledge, belief, and intent gives negative credibility to your informational reliability.

To make the comment "also no historical references" is either intentionally underappreciating & unaccepting or ignorant of heaps of information. What is known still can't be hard proof, but your willingness to undermine the truth with that arrogant statement makes it clear you're selective-minded in what you'll consider, and that'll be remembered for your future posts.

Riddling your posts with smilies and decorative wording does nothing to convince people you have an intellectual upper ground (forgive me if I'm wrong, but that appears to be a part of your ambition). First you claim you don't see an attack, then you provide a self-protecting diagnosis for the non-existent attack you don't see. It appears you are on the defensive - and no, I did not comment to attack, I gave my observations of the merit of the thread based on it's initial content and what that content could hope to accomplish, which was nothing of benefit: It was just someone letting the chip on their shoulder fly.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5523259 - 04/17/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The title of an intriguing, Christian pornography. :smirk:

Why is it that all Christian holidays revolving around Jesus are simply meaningless events that cause retail managers to delight and involve other impossible deities bringing gifts? :nonono:

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    #5523724 - 04/17/06 08:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just because you don't understand something does not mean that something is meaningless; it means you are ignorant.

Ignorance is no sin. We are all ignorant about many things, however, ignorance coupled with arrogance is difficult to tolerate. The ignorant and arrogant man spreads his errors without even knowing he is in error.

Your vulgar joke about the most sacred of mysteries demonstrates both ignorance and arrogance.

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    #5523841 - 04/17/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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So you think that Easter eggs and Jesus' resurrection are shared in a unified belief? You should be filled in that the one holiday has dualistic purpose & that image of yours is self-funded and dewlling only in selective minds.




Dualistic purpose... got ya. Both meaningless drivel for a spiritual belief and then some fun activities for the kids?

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5 years of serious studies has gained me a good knowledge of what there is and isn't historically. You assumption of my knowledge, belief, and intent gives negative credibility to your informational reliability.




And what assumptions regarding your knowledge, belief, and intent have I made, eh? I don't understand where the hell you are coming from with this statement. :confused:

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To make the comment "also no historical references" is either intentionally underappreciating & unaccepting or ignorant of heaps of information. What is known still can't be hard proof, but your willingness to undermine the truth with that arrogant statement makes it clear you're selective-minded in what you'll consider, and that'll be remembered for your future posts.




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MarkostheGnostic said:
....but the literal is out of the question for the same reason that ALL literal interpretations are out of the question. Temporality and geography are often so off in Biblical writ when compared to extra-biblical sources that they cannot be interpreted as historically accurate. There is no extra-biblical evidence even for the historical existence of Jesus except for 3 brief references by Suetonius, Tacitus and the Jewish Roman historian Flavius Josephus. One would think that the Hellenistic Jewish philosopher Philo [of Alexandria], a contemporary of Jesus, would have heard something of His acclaim and have written about it. After all, it was Philo who did the most philosophically about the nature of the Logos.




Heaps of information, eh? I feel confident that I can rely upon Markos' conclusions resulting from in depth, scholarly studies into the matter. When history itself only has a small handful of recognition for the man himself, much less anything to do with a supernatural event of resurrection. If the concept in question is merely revolving around a spiritual truth, not a literal interpretation, then it would not be celebrated as such, but would instead be practiced every day.

Undermining the truth, eh? Why don't you provide for us the truth, so we can all come to a consensus as to what undermines the truth. Honestly, the act of accusing others of undermining the truth and displaying arrogance does more to obscure the truth than simply providing for an understanding does. :rolleyes:

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Riddling your posts with smilies and decorative wording does nothing to convince people you have an intellectual upper ground (forgive me if I'm wrong, but that appears to be a part of your ambition).




Actually, I don't offer much forgiveness to individuals who begin discussing the motivations and intents of other individuals when they propose a point of view that they do not personally jive with. You have next to nothing upon which to base any assessment of my attitude, intentions, or motivations.

I duly apologize if the manner in which I express myself with literary devices and select usage of specific words is seen by yourself as merely being an attempt at utilizing "decorative wording" as evidence of my intellectual superiority, as you have refered to it as, but I simply aim to be as clear and precise as possible when expressing a line of thought. I seek to achieve this because this is, after all, a limited medium through which to communicate.

After all, I frequently encounter individuals who feel they have the ability to perceive ambition, intention, motivation, and other aspects of my personal character, through the manner in which I express myself and present ideas for discussion. It is to be noted that I find it interesting that, when these perceptions are communicated by them, it always seems to be included with a lack of discussion pertaining to the subject at hand. Have you ever noticed this, how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea when the idea is one that they express personal distaste for, or the manner in which the idea is presented? :shocked:

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First you claim you don't see an attack, then you provide a self-protecting diagnosis for the non-existent attack you don't see. It appears you are on the defensive - and no, I did not comment to attack, I gave my observations of the merit of the thread based on it's initial content and what that content could hope to accomplish, which was nothing of benefit: It was just someone letting the chip on their shoulder fly.




I appreciate your commentary on the nature of this thread, as opposed to discussion pertaining to the thread itself, but I have nothing else to address this commentary with, as it is an assesment of how you perceive my attitude and actions. Perhaps you would like to continue this dicussion through an exchange of pm's, instead of through a thread which you are in the process of dragging off-topic?

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    #5524114 - 04/17/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I feel like correcting your "select usage of specific words"...ill choose the section where you defend your inimitable writing style.

"It is to be noted that I find it interesting that,[clumsy sentence structure, double 'that'] when these perceptions are communicated [clumsy use of words] by them, it always seems to be included [misuse of 'included'; doesnt make sense] with a lack of discussion pertaining to the subject at hand [confused use of 'pertaining']. Have you ever noticed this, how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea when the idea is one that they express personal distaste for, or the manner in which the idea is presented [long, rambling and poorly structured; confusing]? :shocked:"

ie don't use language that you don't have a proper grasp of. it makes you look like a tit.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5524366 - 04/17/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yea fireworks really gets pissed off when people try to observe him(he really is fun to observe though, I get teh feeling he has to lie to himself to preserve his beliefs, but as he will no doubt point out I have no evidence for this claim, and then he'll forget I ever said it.  :wink: ).  God forbid you hit the nail on the head,  It really pisses him off then.  Peace

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: shroomydan]
    #5524997 - 04/17/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Just because you don't understand something does not mean that something is meaningless; it means you are ignorant.




Yes, I know; we've already covered this one. No one provides myself with an illustration of exactly what it is that I do not understand, or what it is that I am ignorant of. Will you step up to the plate and play?

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Ignorance is no sin. We are all ignorant about many things, however, ignorance coupled with arrogance is difficult to tolerate. The ignorant and arrogant man spreads his errors without even knowing he is in error.




Which is why it is important to demonstrate the error, eh? Feel free, no one else feels like doing so. Honestly, I think they have more fun attacking others. :wink:

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Your vulgar joke about the most sacred of mysteries demonstrates both ignorance and arrogance.




How does it demonstrate ignorance and arrogance? The most sacred of mysteries... what exactly does that pertain to?

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I smell a troll.




Yes, indeed, anyone who proposes why a set of beliefs is meaningless and provides with that proposal their reasoning with which they have come to that conclusion is a troll. :rolleyes:

Perhaps one's own odor is overwhelming one's senses?  :tongue:

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    #5525020 - 04/17/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5525193 - 04/17/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I feel like correcting your "select usage of specific words"...ill choose the section where you defend your inimitable writing style.




The manners in which I use grammar and vocabulary cannot be imitated, eh? I rather enjoy a sense of originality, personally, and the fact that cheap imitations do not exist certainly is not a negative thing.

Of course, if you have any suggestions pertaining to incorrect usage of language on my part, I'd be glad to hear them! :grin:

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"It is to be noted that I find it interesting that,[clumsy sentence structure, double 'that']




Clumsy sentence structure? Personally, I would refer to it as an articulate sentence structure.

"It is to be noted I find it interesting"

or

"It is to be noted that I find it interesting".



I find it interesting when these perceptions are communicated by them, it always seems"

or

"I find it interesting that when these perceptions are communicated by them, it always seems".




"That" specifies. Sometimes it is necessary and sometimes it is more within the realm of personal preference. Big fucking deal!  :eek: In the second example of my usage of "that", the prepositional phrase can be removed to reveal the necessity of using "that".

"I find it interesting it always seems"

or

"I find it interesting that it always seems"

I understand that prepositional phrases tend to complicate a sentence a bit more, perhaps we should abolish their use?

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when these perceptions are communicated [clumsy use of words]




Do you prefer "when these perceptions are talked about"? :wtf:

It is one thing to label usage as clumsy, it is another thing altogether to demonstrate how it is so. As you seem to have enough time at your disposal to examine the manner in which I express myself with a fine-tooth comb, perhaps you will consider elaborating?

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by them, it always seems to be included [misuse of 'included'; doesnt make sense] with a lack of discussion




Misuse of "included", eh? It always seems to go hand-in-hand with a lack of discussion? It always seems to be coupled with a lack of discussion? It always seems to be complementary with a lack of discussion?

Pray tell, how it is that I should have expressed that line of thought?

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with a lack of discussion pertaining to the subject at hand [confused use of 'pertaining'].




Well, the last I knew, the word "pertaining" meant to relate, or to be suitable, to be fitting, to refer to. I was expressing that (Holy shit! there is that word again... oh my fucking god, there it is again! :shocked:) there is a lack of discussion that pertains to the subject at hand.

Perhaps I should have stated "that pertains" as opposed to "pertaining". I need to be provided with an understanding as to what exactly the difference is, honestly. :lol:

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Have you ever noticed this, how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea when the idea is one that they express personal distaste for, or the manner in which the idea is presented [long, rambling and poorly structured; confusing]?




Have you ever noticed this (this representing the previously stated point),

how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea (so far so good?)

when the idea is one that they express personal distate for

(prepare yourself, there is a comma ahead!), or the manner in which the idea is presented?


Now, I understand that it must be tragic when someone doesn't seperate one line of thought into three or four sentences for those who cannot properly focus. I also realize that it must be a struggle when a writer doesn't specifically cater to the fact that certain individuals are not capable of comprehending sentences that last longer than several words.

From now on, this will be the manner in which I present my thoughts, to assist those who have trouble reading my replies:

See Jack.

See Jack run.

Oh, how Jack runs!

Jack runs fast!

My, how fast Jack runs!

Look!

It is Officer Brady!

He runs too!

Jack runs faster!

Officer Brady is fat.

He runs slow.

Jack runs all the way to Mexico!

:lol:

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ie don't use language that you don't have a proper grasp of. it makes you look like a tit.




Honestly, I'd have to suggest that perhaps the massive amount of confusion you are experiencing is the result of an inability on your part to succesfully read? This is the only conclusion I can reach concerning the manner, as I was not able to discern any fault on my part. :confused: You certainly identified that you experienced confusion, but never demonstrated how it is that the nature of my expressions themselves were confusing.

Personally, I am glad that my English teacher didn't simply yell "That's wrong!", that she also showed us how it is wrong, and what exactly is correct. Do you have your degree yet?

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: theuser]
    #5525207 - 04/17/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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theolduser said:
Jesus, L Ron Hubard, Gordon B. Hinckley...




I don't actually know what happened or who he was; it is a mystery, but let us celebrate and have faith! :smirk:

Oh shit! I mean:

I do not know happened who he was. It is a mystery (did I use "mystery" right?). Let us celebrate. Let us have faith.

That's better. :grin:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
    #5525232 - 04/17/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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blaze2 said:
yea fireworks really gets pissed off when people try to observe him(he really is fun to observe though, I get teh feeling he has to lie to himself to preserve his beliefs, but as he will no doubt point out I have no evidence for this claim, and then he'll forget I ever said it.  :wink: ).  God forbid you hit the nail on the head,  It really pisses him off then.  Peace

blaze2




Yeah, blaze2 really gets pissed off when people try to observe him (he's really fun to observe though). Personally, I have the feeling that he has to lie to himself in order to present his beliefs, but, no doubt, he will point out that I have no evidence for this claim, and then he'll forget that I ever said it. God forbid you hit the nail on the head, that really pisses blaze2 off.





Seriously, folks. I proposed that the beliefs and celebrations thereof are meaningless, and unsubstaniated. How difficult is it to discuss that, staying on-topic, as opposed to discussing my attitude, my behavior, my intentions, my nature, and, :lol:, my grammar.

Can anyone actually demonstrate how these beliefs are not meaningless, or how they are substantiated? A few people have made statements regarding this or that, and I have asked for clarification. I haven't received any.

Regardless of what my intentions susposedly are (Oh, I know, I'm an evil, twisted bastard :evil:), I am actually interested in discussing this matter, and am open to any comments that pertain to the matter.

How hard can it be, after all?

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5525299 - 04/17/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What I said to you is not so complicated. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you should be able to figure it out. I really don't have the time to "step up to the plate and play" with someone who thinks he knows everything and refuses to learn.

This thread is Christian bait. You are looking for someone to argue with so you can demonstrate how smart you are. I find your style tedious.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5525320 - 04/17/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

your not an evil twisted bastard man you take things too personally is all.

Listen you either believe things liek this or you dont. Its your call and you can make it however you want, but what you cannot do is tell someone else how to make that call. So when you get right down to it this whole thread was worthless. You deciding that the miracles of Jesus are worthless of any value symbolic, historical, or moral doesnt make it so. We dont need to defend anything, because you havent said anything that affects us. Your truth is not ALL truth.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: shroomydan]
    #5525337 - 04/17/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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What I said to you is not so complicated. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you should be able to figure it out. I really don't have the time to "step up to the plate and play" with someone who thinks he knows everything and refuses to learn.




You referred to the "mystery of mysteries". Sound rather mysterious. How is it to be expected that someone who is not provided with more understanding into the matter should be able to figure it out? :confused:

Essentially, you do have the time to comment on how it is that I am arrogant, and how I am ignorant, and how I am a troll, but you do not have the time to provide myself with an understanding that would alleviate that ignorance. I understand. :thumbup:

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This thread is Christian bait. You are looking for someone to argue with so you can demonstrate how smart you are. I find your style tedious.




I am proposing a certain idea in order to have others discuss that idea and contribute their own ideas on the subject. Those who have actually done so have been respected and have been responded to.

LunarEclipse commented on how, even if it was meaningless, that there is value on the bond and the sharing of experience that results. I concurred. Veritas provided some resources that gave a more in-depth glance into the celebration and how it originated. That was cool. :thumbup:

Then we have a majority of others who feel the need to attack me and discuss me, my attitude, even my grammar. They feel convinced that I am out to degrade others and make myself feel smart. They misinterpret my attempts at humor as being inflammatory. They are off-topic, and I find their style tedious.

When I hear the word "troll" wavered about, I contemplate who it actually is.....

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5525350 - 04/17/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
And what assumptions regarding your knowledge, belief, and intent have I made, eh? I don't understand where the hell you are coming from with this statement. :confused:



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Heaps of information, eh? I feel confident that I can rely upon Markos' conclusions resulting from in depth, scholarly studies into the matter.



It's good to have clarified that you are personally uneducated. Take it from another with "in depth scholarly studies in the matter" that Marcos' thoughts are also colored with opinions. Education lets one separate the opinion from the sound facts, and then personal discretion kicks in from there. "ALL literal interpretations are out of the question" is infactual, and I personally feel it is biased. It is a choice in his personal belief, spoken as tho fact.
It's not a good idea to be asserting yourself based on heresay off a message board, if you plan to be accurate.

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Undermining the truth, eh? Why don't you provide for us the truth, so we can all come to a consensus as to what undermines the truth. Honestly, the act of accusing others of undermining the truth and displaying arrogance does more to obscure the truth than simply providing for an understanding does.



That would be quite the feat, wouldn't it, to simply lay down a paragraph of information entailing what you can spend a lifetime studying that did not wind into a string of its own threads or end in flamed agression? Simple to suggest tho, it might even convince others that you were indeed in the know if I didn't bite the bait and comply. 

By the way, your post did this: "accusing others of undermining the truth and displaying arrogance," towards an entire theology, lol. Tho I do believe that your hypocrisy is unnoticed by you, and not intentional.

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You have next to nothing upon which to base any assessment of my attitude, intentions, or motivations.



No, if you didn't say anything then I would have nothing to assess you on. When you express yourself you are expressed, straightforward as that sounds. And it's not because I don't jive with your point of view, it's that your "point of view" on the subject has nothing to do with facts, and so needs to be properly labeled.

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After all, I frequently encounter individuals who feel they have the ability to perceive ambition, intention, motivation, and other aspects of my personal character, through the manner in which I express myself and present ideas for discussion.



Didn't you just claim to assess all things Christian, the works and words of others - including their ambition, intention and motivation? Yes, you did. If you really had all the proper information you wouldn't need double standards for your conduct vs. others.

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It is to be noted that I find it interesting that, when these perceptions are communicated by them, it always seems to be included with a lack of discussion pertaining to the subject at hand. Have you ever noticed this, how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea when the idea is one that they express personal distaste for, or the manner in which the idea is presented? :shocked:



The "subject" at hand is a intellectual joke, thus bringing the focus to there being something questionable about why it was posted.


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A sum of its parts, eh?

&

Yes, indeed, anyone who proposes why a set of beliefs is meaningless and provides with that proposal their reasoning with which they have come to that conclusion is a troll. 

Perhaps one's own odor is overwhelming one's senses?




The philosophical equivalent of: I know you are but what am I?

Home education is fine, and can certainly be as thorough as formal education, but you need to learn to apply a sense of humility to the information you have learned, and consider its source, the fact that there is likely way more out there that you are uninformed of, and whether the origin of your knowledge includes bitter sentiments - which, if it did, would a guarrantee that it is faulty data.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
    #5525359 - 04/17/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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your not an evil twisted bastard man you take things too personally is all.




I'm not the one who started making personal comments, thus, I am not the one who is taking things too personally. 

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Listen you either believe things liek this or you dont.




Exactly. I have attempted to discuss the matter in order to determine the nature of this.

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Its your call and you can make it however you want, but what you cannot do is tell someone else how to make that call.




I haven't done so, and I have affirmed in this thread that I am not doing so. Proclaiming that something is meaningless does not equate with telling others what to do.

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  So when you get right down to it this whole thread was worthless.




I've had some laughs, some realizations, some oppurtunities to interact with others. Worthless? I think not.

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  You deciding that the miracles of Jesus are worthless of any value symbolic, historical, or moral doesnt make it so.




Containing no historical value? Certainly.

Symbolic? Certainly not, and I have already expressed this. Perhaps this thread has more worth to those who actually read it?

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  We dont need to defend anything, because you havent said anything that affects us.  Your truth is not ALL truth. 




I've never asked anyone to defend anything, even though people have gotten rather defensive (i.e. addressing myself as a person). I fully recognize that my truth is not ALL Truth, which is exactly why I have been pursuing others so that they will provide some of Their Truth.

I'm told that they don't have time, or I am ignored completely. People make statements, and I ask "how is that?". "Could you elaborate?". And no elaboration is ever produced... :frown:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5525364 - 04/17/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

fireworks you cant even comment on weather or not the scripture is real unless you have read it and something tells me you havent ever or its been a very long time, just a hunch.

And even though I started the personal "attacks" you still dont take them very well. I know sarcasm, and a playful poke is hard to get across in type, but I do it anyways. You of all people should get that by now. I resent the word "attack" if I was attacking you would know.

here what I see, tell me if I'm wrong. you read everything that is said I'm sure. you probrobly remember it all, great for you. But you dont try to understand it. Whats the point in my trying with you if wont listen? you just want to argument to go on forever man. I already have my answers. Try actually thinking about things for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Your a grown man for God's sake. Take some responsibility unto yourself to pick a path and follow it.

I know your going to say this is "good philosophy" or some other BS, but you'll be wrong. Good philosphy has a conclusion, you never seem to, just unfinished arguments because people stop trying with you, because you dont try in return. You cant ask people to step farther than the middle ground man, you have to meet them there too. I hope you get that some day.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5525458 - 04/17/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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#5523040




Ahh yes, my expression that there is a lack of historical evidence for the existance of Jesus Christ in the first place.

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It's good to have clarified that you are personally uneducated.




Rather uneducated, as in, I haven't devoted my life to studying it, as I have no reason to do so.

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It's not a good idea to be asserting yourself based on heresay off a message board, if you plan to be accurate.




I cannot prove a negative. Are you implying that there is a considerable amount of evidence for the existance of Jesus, and, even more specifically, that he did resurrect himself from the dead?

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That would be quite the feat, wouldn't it, to simply lay down a paragraph of information entailing what you can spend a lifetime studying that did not wind into a string of its own threads or end in flamed agression?




It would be more of a feat to simply demonstrate something. I am the first to realize that a great deal of information cannot be compressed and presented in such a manner. Veritas provided resources that contributed to her point that certain Christian holidays were adopted from pagan celebrations in order to make Christianity more compatible for their conversion.

I'm simply looking for anything that might support the opinion that Jesus Christ lived and resurrected from the dead. Anything?

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Simple to suggest tho, it might even convince others that you were indeed in the know if I didn't bite the bait and comply.




Yes, yes, my speculative intentions for my postings. I am simply looking for something, a historical reference or a rational explanation, that will substantiate the belief that Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead. Do you have anything to contribute or not?

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By the way, your post did this: "accusing others of undermining the truth and displaying arrogance," towards an entire theology, lol. Tho I do believe that your hypocrisy is unnoticed by you, and not intentional.




In actuality, I have stated that, from my perspective, the belief that Jesus Christ resurrected himself from the dead is meaningless and unsubstantiated.  I am looking to discuss this with individuals who are interested in doing so.

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No, if you didn't say anything then I would have nothing to assess you on. When you express yourself you are expressed, straightforward as that sounds. And it's not because I don't jive with your point of view, it's that your "point of view" on the subject has nothing to do with facts, and so needs to be properly labeled.




My point of view on the subject has nothing to do with the facts, right.

Which facts?

I contend that the belief that Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead is meaningless, as it is unsubstantiated - the existance of Jesus Christ in itself isn't considerably supported by historical evidence, and nothing has been provided that demonstrates that he resurrected.

Such a contention has nothing to do with the facts?

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Didn't you just claim to assess all things Christian, the works and words of others - including their ambition, intention and motivation? Yes, you did.




Um... I declared that the belief that Jesus Christ resurrected is meaningless, as it is unsubstantiated. What is it that you are referring to?

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If you really had all the proper information you wouldn't need double standards for your conduct vs. others.




I've been told this several times. Several people informing me that I am without the proper information, or the proper viewpoint. None of which have provided any inkling of exactly what the proper information and viewpoint is.

So, Jesus Christ did resurrect himself from the dead? That is the "proper" information to consider?

Exactly what information supports that such a declaration is actually information?

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The "subject" at hand is a intellectual joke, thus bringing the focus to there being something questionable about why it was posted.




I realize that it is an intellectual joke in that no one seems to have the intellect to be capable of demonstrating that Jesus Christ did, in fact, resurrect himself.

When someone says "demonstrate", it is an intellectual joke? :confused:

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The philosophical equivalent of: I know you are but what am I?




A baseless observation reflects the individual who created it much more than any aspect of reality it is suspossedly an observation of, yes.

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...the fact that there is likely way more out there that you are uninformed of, and whether the origin of your knowledge includes bitter sentiments - which, if it did, would a guarrantee that it is faulty data.




I admit that I have not found the information that demonstrates that Jesus Christ resurrected himself. I realize that this information, which would be way more than what I am informed of, could be out there.

Unfortunately, people debate myself and my character instead of providing such information, or any sort of reasoning that applies to my contention. :frown:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
    #5525497 - 04/17/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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fireworks you cant even comment on weather or not the scripture is real unless you have read it and something tells me you havent ever or its been a very long time, just a hunch.




I contend that the Scripture is not real, that it is not any sort of evidence to support that a literal Jesus Christ literally resurrected.

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And even though I started the personal "attacks" you still dont take them very well.




Considering the rules and guidelines of this forum, I shouldn't have to take them at all, as they do not pertain to the topic itself.

Honestly, I could care less what some unknown person who does not know me hypothesizes concerning myself and my character. The statement that I don't take them very well is regardless, as I disregard them completely on a personal level.

Does the fact that I fiercely address them and the nature of them being baseless garbage that does not pertain to the subject at hand bother some? It must suck, when someone cannot discuss the subject at hand, so they instead have to dodge comments and address the person who proposed the subject instead. :rolleyes:

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But you dont try to understand it.




How do you know what I try?

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  Whats the point in my trying with you if wont listen?  you just want to argument to go on forever man.




I want the issue to be resolved, so I continue to address the issue. If it spirals into nothingness, well then, it was meant to be. :grin:

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I already have my answers.  Try actually thinking about things for yourself and come to your own conclusions.  Your a grown man for God's sake.  Take some responsibility unto yourself to pick a path and follow it.




I think about things for myself, and come to my conclusions. I have my path and I follow it. An aspect of that path consists of presenting my conclusions to others that hopefully think about things for themselves, in order to exchange ideas and discuss them, as a means to advance understanding all around.

Is that a problem?

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Good philosphy has a conclusion, you never seem to, just unfinished arguments because people stop trying with you, because you dont try in return.  You cant ask people to step farther than the middle ground man, you have to meet them there too.  I hope you get that some day.




Have you ever heard of free will vs. determinism? Where's the conclusion in that? :lol:

Philosophy is an exercise, a means by which one develops their ability to think, to reason, to communicate, to express themselves, to convey, to learn, to grow. Have you ever seen two deer spar?

Is the fact that I engage in discussion, but do not professs some ultimate conclusion or what it is that I actually hold true troublesome? From what I understand, it is what this place is for. :lol:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5525622 - 04/17/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Is anyone else bored?


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5525638 - 04/17/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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mr_kite said:
Is anyone else bored?




I am. You went so far as to offer a critique of my usage of the English language, but never demonstrated how it actually is misuse. You repeated that you were confused a lot, and that is it.....  :rolleyes:

I thought maybe you'd interest me a little bit, I was looking forward to finding out that the way I use English was wrong. :shocked:

I mean, if you went through the trouble of going that far off-topic, why wouldn't you effectively put me in my place? :confused:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5525683 - 04/17/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I could offer you a critique but I really can't be bothered...trust me, its just not that great. It's not I couldn't undestand it, its just it irritated me because it was more complicated than it needed to be, and I found the style annoying. If it had been complicated and accurate I guess I might have enjoyed it as much as you do. But yeah its all personal taste so dont let me put you off.

I mean I'm sorry but
"I maintain that my grammaticism is rich and affluent."
!!!!!
Anyway you're right, Im way off topic...and bored. I didn't mean to make you feel insecure (a fact demonstrated by your detailed replies to everyone's 'critical' or 'contending' posts) I just came to P&S for some interesting discussion, but I just disagreed with you about some things. Majorly. Thats all.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5525866 - 04/17/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I could offer you a critique but I really can't be bothered...trust me, its just not that great.




I am not going to trust the opinion of someone who feels that it is not worth their time to provide myself with an understanding. Sorry.

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It's not I couldn't undestand it, its just it irritated me because it was more complicated than it needed to be, and I found the style annoying.




I apologize, but I disagree with the statement that it is "more complicated than it needed to be". It needed to be what it was. Complex lines of thought need to be represented in complex lines of word. Sure, everything contained within this thread could be reduced and translated to a more basic level. As with all translation, meaning is lost. I convey the exact idea that I wish to convey with the expression that I choose to represent it. I do not use grammar or vocabulary that is not readily available to those that speak this language. Who fucking cares, man?

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If it had been complicated and accurate I guess I might have enjoyed it as much as you do. But yeah its all personal taste so dont let me put you off.




To reiterate, if one is going to claim that another's usage of the English language is inaccurate without actually demonstrating how it is so, then, in effect, there is no rhyme or reason for making the claim in the first place. If you aren't interested in sharing an understanding, then what are you interested in? Telling people that they are wrong?


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I mean I'm sorry but
"I maintain that my grammaticism is rich and affluent."
!!!!!




What's the problem? Couldn't understand that? Am I suspossed to feel guilty because of the fact that I don't speak street? :lol:

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Anyway you're right, Im way off topic...and bored. I didn't mean to make you feel insecure (a fact demonstrated by your detailed replies to everyone's 'critical' or 'contending' posts)




:lol:

Yes, I feel insecure, which can be determined by the fact that I openly dismiss the responses directed agansit me which are completely off-topic as per the rules and guidelines of this forum. :rolleyes:

Like I said, I suggest you consider becoming a psychologist, because your ability is uncanny.  :oogle:

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I just came to P&S for some interesting discussion, but I just disagreed with you about some things. Majorly. Thats all.





It's one thing to disagree and pronounce that one disagrees, its another thing entirely to engage in discussion pertaining to that disagreement, to illustrate why it is that one disagrees and to provide for an understanding of one's perspective that results in the disagreeement.

But, like you said, you are bored, and don't have the time. :wtf:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5525911 - 04/17/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"To reiterate, if one is going to claim that another's usage of the English language is inaccurate without actually demonstrating how it is so, then, in effect, there is no rhyme or reason for making the claim in the first place. If you aren't interested in sharing an understanding, then what are you interested in? Telling people that they are wrong?"

Isnt that why you started this thread???? just replace english language up there with christian holidays.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
    #5525958 - 04/17/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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blaze2 said:
"To reiterate, if one is going to claim that another's usage of the English language is inaccurate without actually demonstrating how it is so, then, in effect, there is no rhyme or reason for making the claim in the first place. If you aren't interested in sharing an understanding, then what are you interested in? Telling people that they are wrong?"

Isnt that why you started this thread????  just replace english language up there with christian holidays.




I have expressed my reasoning for my point, generally represented by the statement "why is it that all Christian holidays revolving around Jesus are simply meaningless events that cause retail managers to delight and involve other impossible deities bringing gifts? .

I have specifically expressed why it is that I feel that such a belief is meaningless, stating that there is no evidence to suggest that a man who barely has enough evidence supporting the fact that he existed ressurected himself from the dead. Thus, any literal belief that he did is meaningless, as it is not substantiated.

That is my point. When someone tells me that my usage of the English language is incorrect, great. Now tell me why it is. Now provide me with the understanding that will demonstrate how it is that I am ignorant. Now provide me with the "proper" information that will reveal that I am wrong.

Do you discern the difference here? :nut:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5526016 - 04/17/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"..evidence supporting the fact that he existed ressurected himself from the dead.."
since we're being petty, i don't think anyone believes he resurrected himself, God did that for him.

What do you think of people that believe in the resurrection? That they are wrong? That they are foolish for believing something for which there is no proof? Or what? Im still not clear.

And wow I never said you were ignorant. God forbid.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5526084 - 04/17/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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mr_kite said:
since we're being petty, i don't think anyone believes he resurrected himself, God did that for him.




Same thing, as Jesus is God. Next!

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What do you think of people that believe in the resurrection? That they are wrong? That they are foolish for believing something for which there is no proof? Or what? Im still not clear.




I think that the belief is meaningless. I have made no judgement on those who hold the belief.

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And wow I never said you were ignorant. God forbid.




I never said that you did.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5526102 - 04/17/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"now provide me with the understanding that will demonstrate how it is that I am ignorant"


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5526126 - 04/17/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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mr_kite said:
"now provide me with the understanding that will demonstrate how it is that I am ignorant"




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shroomydan said:
Just because you don't understand something does not mean that something is meaningless; it means you are ignorant.....The ignorant and arrogant man spreads his errors without even knowing he is in error.....Your vulgar joke about the most sacred of mysteries demonstrates both ignorance and arrogance. 




I never directly stated that you were the one who refered to myself as ignorant, as it was a general statement referring to a group of individuals participating in this thread.

Stay with me now, focus. :wink:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5526142 - 04/17/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
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Robert Anton Wilson said:
But I might also say "Opening God for similar investigation, you will find three persons inside," as in fact Romish Magick does say. No investigation of the sensory-sensual manifold can ever confirm or refute this. Scientific philosophers generally describe such statements [about things beyond conformation or refutation] as "meaningless".




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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5526257 - 04/17/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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There are more important things to worry about... ZOMBIES have taken over the planet Earth!!


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