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your not an evil twisted bastard man you take things too personally is all.
Listen you either believe things liek this or you dont. Its your call and you can make it however you want, but what you cannot do is tell someone else how to make that call. So when you get right down to it this whole thread was worthless. You deciding that the miracles of Jesus are worthless of any value symbolic, historical, or moral doesnt make it so. We dont need to defend anything, because you havent said anything that affects us. Your truth is not ALL truth.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: shroomydan]
#5525337 - 04/17/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: What I said to you is not so complicated. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you should be able to figure it out. I really don't have the time to "step up to the plate and play" with someone who thinks he knows everything and refuses to learn.
You referred to the "mystery of mysteries". Sound rather mysterious. How is it to be expected that someone who is not provided with more understanding into the matter should be able to figure it out? 
Essentially, you do have the time to comment on how it is that I am arrogant, and how I am ignorant, and how I am a troll, but you do not have the time to provide myself with an understanding that would alleviate that ignorance. I understand. 
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This thread is Christian bait. You are looking for someone to argue with so you can demonstrate how smart you are. I find your style tedious.
I am proposing a certain idea in order to have others discuss that idea and contribute their own ideas on the subject. Those who have actually done so have been respected and have been responded to.
LunarEclipse commented on how, even if it was meaningless, that there is value on the bond and the sharing of experience that results. I concurred. Veritas provided some resources that gave a more in-depth glance into the celebration and how it originated. That was cool. 
Then we have a majority of others who feel the need to attack me and discuss me, my attitude, even my grammar. They feel convinced that I am out to degrade others and make myself feel smart. They misinterpret my attempts at humor as being inflammatory. They are off-topic, and I find their style tedious.
When I hear the word "troll" wavered about, I contemplate who it actually is.....
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fireworks_god said: And what assumptions regarding your knowledge, belief, and intent have I made, eh? I don't understand where the hell you are coming from with this statement. 
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Heaps of information, eh? I feel confident that I can rely upon Markos' conclusions resulting from in depth, scholarly studies into the matter.
It's good to have clarified that you are personally uneducated. Take it from another with "in depth scholarly studies in the matter" that Marcos' thoughts are also colored with opinions. Education lets one separate the opinion from the sound facts, and then personal discretion kicks in from there. "ALL literal interpretations are out of the question" is infactual, and I personally feel it is biased. It is a choice in his personal belief, spoken as tho fact. It's not a good idea to be asserting yourself based on heresay off a message board, if you plan to be accurate.
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Undermining the truth, eh? Why don't you provide for us the truth, so we can all come to a consensus as to what undermines the truth. Honestly, the act of accusing others of undermining the truth and displaying arrogance does more to obscure the truth than simply providing for an understanding does.
That would be quite the feat, wouldn't it, to simply lay down a paragraph of information entailing what you can spend a lifetime studying that did not wind into a string of its own threads or end in flamed agression? Simple to suggest tho, it might even convince others that you were indeed in the know if I didn't bite the bait and comply.
By the way, your post did this: "accusing others of undermining the truth and displaying arrogance," towards an entire theology, lol. Tho I do believe that your hypocrisy is unnoticed by you, and not intentional.
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You have next to nothing upon which to base any assessment of my attitude, intentions, or motivations.
No, if you didn't say anything then I would have nothing to assess you on. When you express yourself you are expressed, straightforward as that sounds. And it's not because I don't jive with your point of view, it's that your "point of view" on the subject has nothing to do with facts, and so needs to be properly labeled.
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After all, I frequently encounter individuals who feel they have the ability to perceive ambition, intention, motivation, and other aspects of my personal character, through the manner in which I express myself and present ideas for discussion.
Didn't you just claim to assess all things Christian, the works and words of others - including their ambition, intention and motivation? Yes, you did. If you really had all the proper information you wouldn't need double standards for your conduct vs. others.
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It is to be noted that I find it interesting that, when these perceptions are communicated by them, it always seems to be included with a lack of discussion pertaining to the subject at hand. Have you ever noticed this, how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea when the idea is one that they express personal distaste for, or the manner in which the idea is presented? 
The "subject" at hand is a intellectual joke, thus bringing the focus to there being something questionable about why it was posted.
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A sum of its parts, eh?
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Yes, indeed, anyone who proposes why a set of beliefs is meaningless and provides with that proposal their reasoning with which they have come to that conclusion is a troll.
Perhaps one's own odor is overwhelming one's senses?
The philosophical equivalent of: I know you are but what am I?
Home education is fine, and can certainly be as thorough as formal education, but you need to learn to apply a sense of humility to the information you have learned, and consider its source, the fact that there is likely way more out there that you are uninformed of, and whether the origin of your knowledge includes bitter sentiments - which, if it did, would a guarrantee that it is faulty data.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
#5525359 - 04/17/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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blaze2 said: your not an evil twisted bastard man you take things too personally is all.
I'm not the one who started making personal comments, thus, I am not the one who is taking things too personally.
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Listen you either believe things liek this or you dont.
Exactly. I have attempted to discuss the matter in order to determine the nature of this.
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Its your call and you can make it however you want, but what you cannot do is tell someone else how to make that call.
I haven't done so, and I have affirmed in this thread that I am not doing so. Proclaiming that something is meaningless does not equate with telling others what to do.
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So when you get right down to it this whole thread was worthless.
I've had some laughs, some realizations, some oppurtunities to interact with others. Worthless? I think not.
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You deciding that the miracles of Jesus are worthless of any value symbolic, historical, or moral doesnt make it so.
Containing no historical value? Certainly.
Symbolic? Certainly not, and I have already expressed this. Perhaps this thread has more worth to those who actually read it?
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We dont need to defend anything, because you havent said anything that affects us. Your truth is not ALL truth.
I've never asked anyone to defend anything, even though people have gotten rather defensive (i.e. addressing myself as a person). I fully recognize that my truth is not ALL Truth, which is exactly why I have been pursuing others so that they will provide some of Their Truth.
I'm told that they don't have time, or I am ignored completely. People make statements, and I ask "how is that?". "Could you elaborate?". And no elaboration is ever produced... 
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
#5525364 - 04/17/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fireworks you cant even comment on weather or not the scripture is real unless you have read it and something tells me you havent ever or its been a very long time, just a hunch.
And even though I started the personal "attacks" you still dont take them very well. I know sarcasm, and a playful poke is hard to get across in type, but I do it anyways. You of all people should get that by now. I resent the word "attack" if I was attacking you would know.
here what I see, tell me if I'm wrong. you read everything that is said I'm sure. you probrobly remember it all, great for you. But you dont try to understand it. Whats the point in my trying with you if wont listen? you just want to argument to go on forever man. I already have my answers. Try actually thinking about things for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Your a grown man for God's sake. Take some responsibility unto yourself to pick a path and follow it.
I know your going to say this is "good philosophy" or some other BS, but you'll be wrong. Good philosphy has a conclusion, you never seem to, just unfinished arguments because people stop trying with you, because you dont try in return. You cant ask people to step farther than the middle ground man, you have to meet them there too. I hope you get that some day.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
#5525458 - 04/17/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: #5523040
Ahh yes, my expression that there is a lack of historical evidence for the existance of Jesus Christ in the first place.
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It's good to have clarified that you are personally uneducated.
Rather uneducated, as in, I haven't devoted my life to studying it, as I have no reason to do so.
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It's not a good idea to be asserting yourself based on heresay off a message board, if you plan to be accurate.
I cannot prove a negative. Are you implying that there is a considerable amount of evidence for the existance of Jesus, and, even more specifically, that he did resurrect himself from the dead?
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That would be quite the feat, wouldn't it, to simply lay down a paragraph of information entailing what you can spend a lifetime studying that did not wind into a string of its own threads or end in flamed agression?
It would be more of a feat to simply demonstrate something. I am the first to realize that a great deal of information cannot be compressed and presented in such a manner. Veritas provided resources that contributed to her point that certain Christian holidays were adopted from pagan celebrations in order to make Christianity more compatible for their conversion.
I'm simply looking for anything that might support the opinion that Jesus Christ lived and resurrected from the dead. Anything?
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Simple to suggest tho, it might even convince others that you were indeed in the know if I didn't bite the bait and comply.
Yes, yes, my speculative intentions for my postings. I am simply looking for something, a historical reference or a rational explanation, that will substantiate the belief that Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead. Do you have anything to contribute or not?
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By the way, your post did this: "accusing others of undermining the truth and displaying arrogance," towards an entire theology, lol. Tho I do believe that your hypocrisy is unnoticed by you, and not intentional.
In actuality, I have stated that, from my perspective, the belief that Jesus Christ resurrected himself from the dead is meaningless and unsubstantiated. I am looking to discuss this with individuals who are interested in doing so.
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No, if you didn't say anything then I would have nothing to assess you on. When you express yourself you are expressed, straightforward as that sounds. And it's not because I don't jive with your point of view, it's that your "point of view" on the subject has nothing to do with facts, and so needs to be properly labeled.
My point of view on the subject has nothing to do with the facts, right.
Which facts?
I contend that the belief that Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead is meaningless, as it is unsubstantiated - the existance of Jesus Christ in itself isn't considerably supported by historical evidence, and nothing has been provided that demonstrates that he resurrected.
Such a contention has nothing to do with the facts?
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Didn't you just claim to assess all things Christian, the works and words of others - including their ambition, intention and motivation? Yes, you did.
Um... I declared that the belief that Jesus Christ resurrected is meaningless, as it is unsubstantiated. What is it that you are referring to?
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If you really had all the proper information you wouldn't need double standards for your conduct vs. others.
I've been told this several times. Several people informing me that I am without the proper information, or the proper viewpoint. None of which have provided any inkling of exactly what the proper information and viewpoint is.
So, Jesus Christ did resurrect himself from the dead? That is the "proper" information to consider?
Exactly what information supports that such a declaration is actually information?
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The "subject" at hand is a intellectual joke, thus bringing the focus to there being something questionable about why it was posted.
I realize that it is an intellectual joke in that no one seems to have the intellect to be capable of demonstrating that Jesus Christ did, in fact, resurrect himself.
When someone says "demonstrate", it is an intellectual joke? 
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The philosophical equivalent of: I know you are but what am I?
A baseless observation reflects the individual who created it much more than any aspect of reality it is suspossedly an observation of, yes.
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...the fact that there is likely way more out there that you are uninformed of, and whether the origin of your knowledge includes bitter sentiments - which, if it did, would a guarrantee that it is faulty data.
I admit that I have not found the information that demonstrates that Jesus Christ resurrected himself. I realize that this information, which would be way more than what I am informed of, could be out there.
Unfortunately, people debate myself and my character instead of providing such information, or any sort of reasoning that applies to my contention. 
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
#5525497 - 04/17/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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blaze2 said: fireworks you cant even comment on weather or not the scripture is real unless you have read it and something tells me you havent ever or its been a very long time, just a hunch.
I contend that the Scripture is not real, that it is not any sort of evidence to support that a literal Jesus Christ literally resurrected.
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And even though I started the personal "attacks" you still dont take them very well.
Considering the rules and guidelines of this forum, I shouldn't have to take them at all, as they do not pertain to the topic itself.
Honestly, I could care less what some unknown person who does not know me hypothesizes concerning myself and my character. The statement that I don't take them very well is regardless, as I disregard them completely on a personal level.
Does the fact that I fiercely address them and the nature of them being baseless garbage that does not pertain to the subject at hand bother some? It must suck, when someone cannot discuss the subject at hand, so they instead have to dodge comments and address the person who proposed the subject instead. 
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But you dont try to understand it.
How do you know what I try?
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Whats the point in my trying with you if wont listen? you just want to argument to go on forever man.
I want the issue to be resolved, so I continue to address the issue. If it spirals into nothingness, well then, it was meant to be. 
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I already have my answers. Try actually thinking about things for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Your a grown man for God's sake. Take some responsibility unto yourself to pick a path and follow it.
I think about things for myself, and come to my conclusions. I have my path and I follow it. An aspect of that path consists of presenting my conclusions to others that hopefully think about things for themselves, in order to exchange ideas and discuss them, as a means to advance understanding all around.
Is that a problem?
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Good philosphy has a conclusion, you never seem to, just unfinished arguments because people stop trying with you, because you dont try in return. You cant ask people to step farther than the middle ground man, you have to meet them there too. I hope you get that some day.
Have you ever heard of free will vs. determinism? Where's the conclusion in that? 
Philosophy is an exercise, a means by which one develops their ability to think, to reason, to communicate, to express themselves, to convey, to learn, to grow. Have you ever seen two deer spar?
Is the fact that I engage in discussion, but do not professs some ultimate conclusion or what it is that I actually hold true troublesome? From what I understand, it is what this place is for. 
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Is anyone else bored?
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
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mr_kite said: Is anyone else bored?
I am. You went so far as to offer a critique of my usage of the English language, but never demonstrated how it actually is misuse. You repeated that you were confused a lot, and that is it..... 
I thought maybe you'd interest me a little bit, I was looking forward to finding out that the way I use English was wrong. 
I mean, if you went through the trouble of going that far off-topic, why wouldn't you effectively put me in my place? 
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I could offer you a critique but I really can't be bothered...trust me, its just not that great. It's not I couldn't undestand it, its just it irritated me because it was more complicated than it needed to be, and I found the style annoying. If it had been complicated and accurate I guess I might have enjoyed it as much as you do. But yeah its all personal taste so dont let me put you off.
I mean I'm sorry but "I maintain that my grammaticism is rich and affluent." !!!!! Anyway you're right, Im way off topic...and bored. I didn't mean to make you feel insecure (a fact demonstrated by your detailed replies to everyone's 'critical' or 'contending' posts) I just came to P&S for some interesting discussion, but I just disagreed with you about some things. Majorly. Thats all.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5525866 - 04/17/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: I could offer you a critique but I really can't be bothered...trust me, its just not that great.
I am not going to trust the opinion of someone who feels that it is not worth their time to provide myself with an understanding. Sorry.
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It's not I couldn't undestand it, its just it irritated me because it was more complicated than it needed to be, and I found the style annoying.
I apologize, but I disagree with the statement that it is "more complicated than it needed to be". It needed to be what it was. Complex lines of thought need to be represented in complex lines of word. Sure, everything contained within this thread could be reduced and translated to a more basic level. As with all translation, meaning is lost. I convey the exact idea that I wish to convey with the expression that I choose to represent it. I do not use grammar or vocabulary that is not readily available to those that speak this language. Who fucking cares, man?
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If it had been complicated and accurate I guess I might have enjoyed it as much as you do. But yeah its all personal taste so dont let me put you off.
To reiterate, if one is going to claim that another's usage of the English language is inaccurate without actually demonstrating how it is so, then, in effect, there is no rhyme or reason for making the claim in the first place. If you aren't interested in sharing an understanding, then what are you interested in? Telling people that they are wrong?
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I mean I'm sorry but "I maintain that my grammaticism is rich and affluent." !!!!!
What's the problem? Couldn't understand that? Am I suspossed to feel guilty because of the fact that I don't speak street? 
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Anyway you're right, Im way off topic...and bored. I didn't mean to make you feel insecure (a fact demonstrated by your detailed replies to everyone's 'critical' or 'contending' posts)

Yes, I feel insecure, which can be determined by the fact that I openly dismiss the responses directed agansit me which are completely off-topic as per the rules and guidelines of this forum. 
Like I said, I suggest you consider becoming a psychologist, because your ability is uncanny. 
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I just came to P&S for some interesting discussion, but I just disagreed with you about some things. Majorly. Thats all.
It's one thing to disagree and pronounce that one disagrees, its another thing entirely to engage in discussion pertaining to that disagreement, to illustrate why it is that one disagrees and to provide for an understanding of one's perspective that results in the disagreeement.
But, like you said, you are bored, and don't have the time. 
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"To reiterate, if one is going to claim that another's usage of the English language is inaccurate without actually demonstrating how it is so, then, in effect, there is no rhyme or reason for making the claim in the first place. If you aren't interested in sharing an understanding, then what are you interested in? Telling people that they are wrong?"
Isnt that why you started this thread???? just replace english language up there with christian holidays.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
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blaze2 said: "To reiterate, if one is going to claim that another's usage of the English language is inaccurate without actually demonstrating how it is so, then, in effect, there is no rhyme or reason for making the claim in the first place. If you aren't interested in sharing an understanding, then what are you interested in? Telling people that they are wrong?"
Isnt that why you started this thread???? just replace english language up there with christian holidays.
I have expressed my reasoning for my point, generally represented by the statement "why is it that all Christian holidays revolving around Jesus are simply meaningless events that cause retail managers to delight and involve other impossible deities bringing gifts? .
I have specifically expressed why it is that I feel that such a belief is meaningless, stating that there is no evidence to suggest that a man who barely has enough evidence supporting the fact that he existed ressurected himself from the dead. Thus, any literal belief that he did is meaningless, as it is not substantiated.
That is my point. When someone tells me that my usage of the English language is incorrect, great. Now tell me why it is. Now provide me with the understanding that will demonstrate how it is that I am ignorant. Now provide me with the "proper" information that will reveal that I am wrong.
Do you discern the difference here? 
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"..evidence supporting the fact that he existed ressurected himself from the dead.." since we're being petty, i don't think anyone believes he resurrected himself, God did that for him.
What do you think of people that believe in the resurrection? That they are wrong? That they are foolish for believing something for which there is no proof? Or what? Im still not clear.
And wow I never said you were ignorant. God forbid.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
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mr_kite said: since we're being petty, i don't think anyone believes he resurrected himself, God did that for him.
Same thing, as Jesus is God. Next!
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What do you think of people that believe in the resurrection? That they are wrong? That they are foolish for believing something for which there is no proof? Or what? Im still not clear.
I think that the belief is meaningless. I have made no judgement on those who hold the belief.
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And wow I never said you were ignorant. God forbid.
I never said that you did.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
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mr_kite said: "now provide me with the understanding that will demonstrate how it is that I am ignorant"
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shroomydan said: Just because you don't understand something does not mean that something is meaningless; it means you are ignorant.....The ignorant and arrogant man spreads his errors without even knowing he is in error.....Your vulgar joke about the most sacred of mysteries demonstrates both ignorance and arrogance.
I never directly stated that you were the one who refered to myself as ignorant, as it was a general statement referring to a group of individuals participating in this thread.
Stay with me now, focus. 
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Robert Anton Wilson said: But I might also say "Opening God for similar investigation, you will find three persons inside," as in fact Romish Magick does say. No investigation of the sensory-sensual manifold can ever confirm or refute this. Scientific philosophers generally describe such statements [about things beyond conformation or refutation] as "meaningless".
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