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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5523014 - 04/16/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: I have no faith in your being enlightened.
Because you do not put forth the effort to attempt to enlighten me. The purpose here is to share ideas and perspectives, and to advance understanding. You claim that I am ignorant of some concept or another, but you do nothing to advance that understanding. Lazy?
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5523024 - 04/16/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: That's exactly my issue! Some people talk as if they are correct and other people are wrong eg the topic of this thread
We've already covered this ground. Its not a matter of right and wrong, but, rather, whether or not a practice and associated concept are meaningless. People have the choice to exercise whatever imaginative, unsubstantiated belief that they wish, doesn't make them wrong, simply means that they follow meaningless drivel.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
#5523036 - 04/16/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: This is a stupid and thoughtless thread.
A sum of its parts, eh? 
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Easter is what you make it, and those to whom it means something do not control retail stores' capitalization of the matter.

Ever heard of the econonomic concept of supply and demand? Its been effectively utilized for thousands of years, my friend. Your statement doesn't make a lot of sense when compared to images of people in church clothes, hunting easter eggs in their backyard. 
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I had thought there was more intelligence and respect among posters here.
Well, you thought wrong, now didn't you? Yes, reality does not conform to your observations.. how about that?
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
#5523040 - 04/16/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: No kidding. It might also edify you to know that no Christians suggest that Jesus was born on the 25th.
It might startle you to know that there is almost no historical references that support the existance of one Jesus Christ. 
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5523042 - 04/16/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: Go read up on Christian history and Christianity in general before you start trying to pick holes in Christian beliefs!
What the hell are you talking about? She is the only one in this thread that is providing external resources containing information to support her expressed viewpoints. I believe it is a case of put up or shut up, my friend, and I'd be inclined to make some suggestions pertaining to that... 
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You know I think that some people now attack you having red our disagreement. That's stupid. Firewoksgod make great points nevertheless and subsequent heat is only healthy. Just want to say that if everyone laid back a wee bit more, we would have a nice debate.
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Shroomerious said: You know I think that some people now attack you having red our disagreement. That's stupid. Firewoksgod make great points nevertheless and subsequent heat is only healthy. Just want to say that if everyone laid back a wee bit more, we would have a nice debate.

Not sure about which people are attacking me, though. If it is happening (where?), I sincerely doubt it would be the result of reading an exchange between myself and you, but rather their own, over-emotional, dysfunctional mind that cannot interpret reality for what it can be observed to be. 
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Ever heard of the econonomic concept of supply and demand? Its been effectively utilized for thousands of years, my friend. Your statement doesn't make a lot of sense when compared to images of people in church clothes, hunting easter eggs in their backyard.
So you think that Easter eggs and Jesus' resurrection are shared in a unified belief? You should be filled in that the one holiday has dualistic purpose & that image of yours is self-funded and dewlling only in selective minds.
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Ever heard of the econonomic concept of supply and demand? Its been effectively utilized for thousands of years, my friend. Your statement doesn't make a lot of sense when compared to images of people in church clothes, hunting easter eggs in their backyard.
5 years of serious studies has gained me a good knowledge of what there is and isn't historically. You assumption of my knowledge, belief, and intent gives negative credibility to your informational reliability.
To make the comment "also no historical references" is either intentionally underappreciating & unaccepting or ignorant of heaps of information. What is known still can't be hard proof, but your willingness to undermine the truth with that arrogant statement makes it clear you're selective-minded in what you'll consider, and that'll be remembered for your future posts.
Riddling your posts with smilies and decorative wording does nothing to convince people you have an intellectual upper ground (forgive me if I'm wrong, but that appears to be a part of your ambition). First you claim you don't see an attack, then you provide a self-protecting diagnosis for the non-existent attack you don't see. It appears you are on the defensive - and no, I did not comment to attack, I gave my observations of the merit of the thread based on it's initial content and what that content could hope to accomplish, which was nothing of benefit: It was just someone letting the chip on their shoulder fly.
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fireworks_god said: The title of an intriguing, Christian pornography. 
Why is it that all Christian holidays revolving around Jesus are simply meaningless events that cause retail managers to delight and involve other impossible deities bringing gifts? 
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Just because you don't understand something does not mean that something is meaningless; it means you are ignorant.
Ignorance is no sin. We are all ignorant about many things, however, ignorance coupled with arrogance is difficult to tolerate. The ignorant and arrogant man spreads his errors without even knowing he is in error.
Your vulgar joke about the most sacred of mysteries demonstrates both ignorance and arrogance.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
#5523841 - 04/17/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: So you think that Easter eggs and Jesus' resurrection are shared in a unified belief? You should be filled in that the one holiday has dualistic purpose & that image of yours is self-funded and dewlling only in selective minds.
Dualistic purpose... got ya. Both meaningless drivel for a spiritual belief and then some fun activities for the kids?
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5 years of serious studies has gained me a good knowledge of what there is and isn't historically. You assumption of my knowledge, belief, and intent gives negative credibility to your informational reliability.
And what assumptions regarding your knowledge, belief, and intent have I made, eh? I don't understand where the hell you are coming from with this statement. 
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To make the comment "also no historical references" is either intentionally underappreciating & unaccepting or ignorant of heaps of information. What is known still can't be hard proof, but your willingness to undermine the truth with that arrogant statement makes it clear you're selective-minded in what you'll consider, and that'll be remembered for your future posts.
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MarkostheGnostic said: ....but the literal is out of the question for the same reason that ALL literal interpretations are out of the question. Temporality and geography are often so off in Biblical writ when compared to extra-biblical sources that they cannot be interpreted as historically accurate. There is no extra-biblical evidence even for the historical existence of Jesus except for 3 brief references by Suetonius, Tacitus and the Jewish Roman historian Flavius Josephus. One would think that the Hellenistic Jewish philosopher Philo [of Alexandria], a contemporary of Jesus, would have heard something of His acclaim and have written about it. After all, it was Philo who did the most philosophically about the nature of the Logos.
Heaps of information, eh? I feel confident that I can rely upon Markos' conclusions resulting from in depth, scholarly studies into the matter. When history itself only has a small handful of recognition for the man himself, much less anything to do with a supernatural event of resurrection. If the concept in question is merely revolving around a spiritual truth, not a literal interpretation, then it would not be celebrated as such, but would instead be practiced every day.
Undermining the truth, eh? Why don't you provide for us the truth, so we can all come to a consensus as to what undermines the truth. Honestly, the act of accusing others of undermining the truth and displaying arrogance does more to obscure the truth than simply providing for an understanding does. 
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Riddling your posts with smilies and decorative wording does nothing to convince people you have an intellectual upper ground (forgive me if I'm wrong, but that appears to be a part of your ambition).
Actually, I don't offer much forgiveness to individuals who begin discussing the motivations and intents of other individuals when they propose a point of view that they do not personally jive with. You have next to nothing upon which to base any assessment of my attitude, intentions, or motivations.
I duly apologize if the manner in which I express myself with literary devices and select usage of specific words is seen by yourself as merely being an attempt at utilizing "decorative wording" as evidence of my intellectual superiority, as you have refered to it as, but I simply aim to be as clear and precise as possible when expressing a line of thought. I seek to achieve this because this is, after all, a limited medium through which to communicate.
After all, I frequently encounter individuals who feel they have the ability to perceive ambition, intention, motivation, and other aspects of my personal character, through the manner in which I express myself and present ideas for discussion. It is to be noted that I find it interesting that, when these perceptions are communicated by them, it always seems to be included with a lack of discussion pertaining to the subject at hand. Have you ever noticed this, how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea when the idea is one that they express personal distaste for, or the manner in which the idea is presented? 
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First you claim you don't see an attack, then you provide a self-protecting diagnosis for the non-existent attack you don't see. It appears you are on the defensive - and no, I did not comment to attack, I gave my observations of the merit of the thread based on it's initial content and what that content could hope to accomplish, which was nothing of benefit: It was just someone letting the chip on their shoulder fly.
I appreciate your commentary on the nature of this thread, as opposed to discussion pertaining to the thread itself, but I have nothing else to address this commentary with, as it is an assesment of how you perceive my attitude and actions. Perhaps you would like to continue this dicussion through an exchange of pm's, instead of through a thread which you are in the process of dragging off-topic?
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I feel like correcting your "select usage of specific words"...ill choose the section where you defend your inimitable writing style.
"It is to be noted that I find it interesting that,[clumsy sentence structure, double 'that'] when these perceptions are communicated [clumsy use of words] by them, it always seems to be included [misuse of 'included'; doesnt make sense] with a lack of discussion pertaining to the subject at hand [confused use of 'pertaining']. Have you ever noticed this, how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea when the idea is one that they express personal distaste for, or the manner in which the idea is presented [long, rambling and poorly structured; confusing]? "
ie don't use language that you don't have a proper grasp of. it makes you look like a tit.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5524366 - 04/17/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea fireworks really gets pissed off when people try to observe him(he really is fun to observe though, I get teh feeling he has to lie to himself to preserve his beliefs, but as he will no doubt point out I have no evidence for this claim, and then he'll forget I ever said it. ). God forbid you hit the nail on the head, It really pisses him off then. Peace
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: shroomydan]
#5524997 - 04/17/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: Just because you don't understand something does not mean that something is meaningless; it means you are ignorant.
Yes, I know; we've already covered this one. No one provides myself with an illustration of exactly what it is that I do not understand, or what it is that I am ignorant of. Will you step up to the plate and play?
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Ignorance is no sin. We are all ignorant about many things, however, ignorance coupled with arrogance is difficult to tolerate. The ignorant and arrogant man spreads his errors without even knowing he is in error.
Which is why it is important to demonstrate the error, eh? Feel free, no one else feels like doing so. Honestly, I think they have more fun attacking others. 
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Your vulgar joke about the most sacred of mysteries demonstrates both ignorance and arrogance.
How does it demonstrate ignorance and arrogance? The most sacred of mysteries... what exactly does that pertain to?
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I smell a troll.
Yes, indeed, anyone who proposes why a set of beliefs is meaningless and provides with that proposal their reasoning with which they have come to that conclusion is a troll.
Perhaps one's own odor is overwhelming one's senses? 
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5525193 - 04/17/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: I feel like correcting your "select usage of specific words"...ill choose the section where you defend your inimitable writing style.
The manners in which I use grammar and vocabulary cannot be imitated, eh? I rather enjoy a sense of originality, personally, and the fact that cheap imitations do not exist certainly is not a negative thing.
Of course, if you have any suggestions pertaining to incorrect usage of language on my part, I'd be glad to hear them! 
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"It is to be noted that I find it interesting that,[clumsy sentence structure, double 'that']
Clumsy sentence structure? Personally, I would refer to it as an articulate sentence structure.
"It is to be noted I find it interesting"
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"It is to be noted that I find it interesting".
I find it interesting when these perceptions are communicated by them, it always seems"
or
"I find it interesting that when these perceptions are communicated by them, it always seems".
"That" specifies. Sometimes it is necessary and sometimes it is more within the realm of personal preference. Big fucking deal! In the second example of my usage of "that", the prepositional phrase can be removed to reveal the necessity of using "that".
"I find it interesting it always seems"
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"I find it interesting that it always seems"
I understand that prepositional phrases tend to complicate a sentence a bit more, perhaps we should abolish their use?
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when these perceptions are communicated [clumsy use of words]
Do you prefer "when these perceptions are talked about"? 
It is one thing to label usage as clumsy, it is another thing altogether to demonstrate how it is so. As you seem to have enough time at your disposal to examine the manner in which I express myself with a fine-tooth comb, perhaps you will consider elaborating?
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by them, it always seems to be included [misuse of 'included'; doesnt make sense] with a lack of discussion
Misuse of "included", eh? It always seems to go hand-in-hand with a lack of discussion? It always seems to be coupled with a lack of discussion? It always seems to be complementary with a lack of discussion?
Pray tell, how it is that I should have expressed that line of thought?
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with a lack of discussion pertaining to the subject at hand [confused use of 'pertaining'].
Well, the last I knew, the word "pertaining" meant to relate, or to be suitable, to be fitting, to refer to. I was expressing that (Holy shit! there is that word again... oh my fucking god, there it is again! ) there is a lack of discussion that pertains to the subject at hand.
Perhaps I should have stated "that pertains" as opposed to "pertaining". I need to be provided with an understanding as to what exactly the difference is, honestly. 
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Have you ever noticed this, how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea when the idea is one that they express personal distaste for, or the manner in which the idea is presented [long, rambling and poorly structured; confusing]?
Have you ever noticed this (this representing the previously stated point),
how it is that people begin to discuss the person and not the idea (so far so good?)
when the idea is one that they express personal distate for
(prepare yourself, there is a comma ahead!), or the manner in which the idea is presented?
Now, I understand that it must be tragic when someone doesn't seperate one line of thought into three or four sentences for those who cannot properly focus. I also realize that it must be a struggle when a writer doesn't specifically cater to the fact that certain individuals are not capable of comprehending sentences that last longer than several words.
From now on, this will be the manner in which I present my thoughts, to assist those who have trouble reading my replies:
See Jack.
See Jack run.
Oh, how Jack runs!
Jack runs fast!
My, how fast Jack runs!
Look!
It is Officer Brady!
He runs too!
Jack runs faster!
Officer Brady is fat.
He runs slow.
Jack runs all the way to Mexico!
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ie don't use language that you don't have a proper grasp of. it makes you look like a tit.
Honestly, I'd have to suggest that perhaps the massive amount of confusion you are experiencing is the result of an inability on your part to succesfully read? This is the only conclusion I can reach concerning the manner, as I was not able to discern any fault on my part. You certainly identified that you experienced confusion, but never demonstrated how it is that the nature of my expressions themselves were confusing.
Personally, I am glad that my English teacher didn't simply yell "That's wrong!", that she also showed us how it is wrong, and what exactly is correct. Do you have your degree yet?
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: theuser]
#5525207 - 04/17/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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theolduser said: Jesus, L Ron Hubard, Gordon B. Hinckley...
I don't actually know what happened or who he was; it is a mystery, but let us celebrate and have faith! 
Oh shit! I mean:
I do not know happened who he was. It is a mystery (did I use "mystery" right?). Let us celebrate. Let us have faith.
That's better. 
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
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blaze2 said: yea fireworks really gets pissed off when people try to observe him(he really is fun to observe though, I get teh feeling he has to lie to himself to preserve his beliefs, but as he will no doubt point out I have no evidence for this claim, and then he'll forget I ever said it. ). God forbid you hit the nail on the head, It really pisses him off then. Peace
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Yeah, blaze2 really gets pissed off when people try to observe him (he's really fun to observe though). Personally, I have the feeling that he has to lie to himself in order to present his beliefs, but, no doubt, he will point out that I have no evidence for this claim, and then he'll forget that I ever said it. God forbid you hit the nail on the head, that really pisses blaze2 off.
Seriously, folks. I proposed that the beliefs and celebrations thereof are meaningless, and unsubstaniated. How difficult is it to discuss that, staying on-topic, as opposed to discussing my attitude, my behavior, my intentions, my nature, and, , my grammar.
Can anyone actually demonstrate how these beliefs are not meaningless, or how they are substantiated? A few people have made statements regarding this or that, and I have asked for clarification. I haven't received any.
Regardless of what my intentions susposedly are (Oh, I know, I'm an evil, twisted bastard ), I am actually interested in discussing this matter, and am open to any comments that pertain to the matter.
How hard can it be, after all?
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What I said to you is not so complicated. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you should be able to figure it out. I really don't have the time to "step up to the plate and play" with someone who thinks he knows everything and refuses to learn.
This thread is Christian bait. You are looking for someone to argue with so you can demonstrate how smart you are. I find your style tedious.
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