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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
#5522417 - 04/16/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah for others that meaning is absent but that doesn't mean that those with faith are wrong...
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I have no faith in your being enlightened.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5522436 - 04/16/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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We cannot determine the right or wrong when we are all just guessing. At some later date, we may have more information about the matter.
In the meantime, my preference is to consider guesses which do not include adherance to faith-based belief systems. Perhaps I am guessing correctly about the ultimate nature of the universe; perhaps not. What is meaningful to me is to develop a life strategy and attitude which directly support and add to my experience.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
#5522441 - 04/16/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"We cannot determine the right or wrong when we are all just guessing."
That's exactly my issue! Some people talk as if they are correct and other people are wrong eg the topic of this thread
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5522447 - 04/16/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's just a "my guess is more accurate than your guess" argument until we have direct evidence. It does seem more scientific and rational to go with the guess that requires the least faith, but, again, that's just my preference.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
#5522455 - 04/16/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You said it dude, your preference. "my guess is more accurate than your guess" sounds dangerous...
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5522467 - 04/16/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not a dude.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
#5522500 - 04/16/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5522510 - 04/16/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, I think so.
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There is some archaic archetype connected with the 'resurrection' of Jeez. Only that makes the prophecies true, that he would be the ancient Jewish messiah. That, they believed, would bring the spiritual realm to earth, or something. Nowadays, Jews have left their concept of a 'personal' messiah. They think of it like an occurrence. Sadly sadly, we wait until now, for that spiritual realm to become true and manifest, peacefully. That is, what the Jews still wait for.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5522554 - 04/16/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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heres the problem I see most often with a number of you guys arguments. You have no hope. You see most people as having the same nature as yourselfs and cannot possibly understand why anyoen would delude themselves with religion. The problem you see is that religous people always assume to understand you as well correct? The thing is everyone can remember not understanding in God, as we are all born without this knowledge, but at some point in everyones life they are given that chance to put faith in the Lord of Hosts. wheather or not you listen to his voice when it happens is something you have to account for.
People have the vast misconception that bible teaches that God is in control of us all. That we are all playing into his plan. We are, but at teh same time it tells us if you want to make an ass of yourself go ahead, God will be waiting to forgive you at any time. Everyone plays the fool sometimes as the song goes. The bible isnt about consequences its about forgiveness. as long as organized religions have control of the sheep, then the truth of God will remain on teh back burner to the hippocritical elite. I'm freer now that I accepted God than before when I would purposely avoid religion out of disgust.
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This is a stupid and thoughtless thread. Easter is what you make it, and those to whom it means something do not control retail stores' capitalization of the matter. No, Christian holidays were not all pagan celebration days - if you're refering to Christmas, the winter solstice occures on the 21st, not Christmas day.
I had thought there was more intelligence and respect among posters here.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
#5522602 - 04/16/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah man. Me too.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
#5522633 - 04/16/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Christmas Day actually comes from the celebration of Brumalia, the birth of the sun. (Birth of the son).
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...on the great day, December 25th itself, came the Brumalia (from bruma: "shortest day")--the religious observance of the sun-worshipers. This was known also as Natalis Solus Invicti: the "Birth of the Unconquerable Sun"--the date when the day began again to lengthen. It is significant that the Catholic Encyclopedia itself says--
"The well known solar feast of Natalis Invicti, celebrated on Dec. 25, has a strong claim for the responsibility of our Christmas date."
On this point, the Encyclopedia Americana says--
"In the fifth century the Western Church ordered Christmas to be celebrated forever on the day of the old Roman feast of the birth of Sol."
http://www.acts1711.com/xmas2.htm
Some Christians strongly disapproved of this re-working of Pagan holidays, and the Puritans even forbade the celebration of Christmas.
The Bible does not state that Jesus was born on December 25.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
#5522642 - 04/16/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No kidding. It might also edify you to know that no Christians suggest that Jesus was born on the 25th.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
#5522646 - 04/16/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The bible also does not state that Jesus was crucified on a date that changes every year.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Disco Cat]
#5522660 - 04/16/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Then what was your point? That it is just a random day picked out of a hat, and not an ancient Pagan celebration day? It is, in fact, a Pagan holiday which significantly pre-dates Jesus' birth.
Why celebrate Jesus' birth on a day which no Christian claims is his birthday?
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
#5522675 - 04/16/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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????????????????????
Go read up on Christian history and Christianity in general before you start trying to pick holes in Christian beliefs!
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5522720 - 04/16/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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For pagans, christmas is fertilization. Easter is birth. [summer is maturity, and autumn is harvest/recollect] There is some concept shift to material and spiritual.
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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
#5522728 - 04/16/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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*edit
Never mind. I'm forgetting my own rules about religious discussions.
Have a Happy Easter.
Edited by Veritas (04/16/06 09:35 PM)
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