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Jesus Has Risen
    #5521341 - 04/16/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The title of an intriguing, Christian pornography. :smirk:

Why is it that all Christian holidays revolving around Jesus are simply meaningless events that cause retail managers to delight and involve other impossible deities bringing gifts? :nonono:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5521587 - 04/16/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They were also all originally pagan celebrations of magic and fertility.  The Christians white-washed and took over the pagan practices while they were strong-arming the pagans into worshipping Christ.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5521589 - 04/16/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They're not really meaningless. Christianity didn't manifest at the same time of the price tag and cash register.


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5521603 - 04/16/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Still, the obvious joy of the grandmother slowly following her granddaughter tracking wayward Easter eggs on a beautiful spring day surely must count for something. It made my day anyway. Or was her arthritis just holding her back?

Just think of it the Wal-Mart way. Do they have Easter in China?


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5521611 - 04/16/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, that form of celebration is very much in keeping with the ancient tradition.  Oestre, the goddess of fertility, is honored by the ritualistic painting of eggs.  This tradition would be passed along the matrilineal descent (mother to daughter).

http://home.earthlink.net/~yvonr/pagan/yearwheel/oestre.html

Wal-mart, however, came much later. :wink:


Edited by Veritas (04/16/06 04:31 PM)


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Basilides]
    #5521666 - 04/16/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Still, the obvious joy of the grandmother slowly following her granddaughter tracking wayward Easter eggs on a beautiful spring day surely must count for something.  It made my day anyway.  Or was her arthritis just holding her back?




It certainly does count for something. :wink: Why does such an oppurtunity for family bonding and sharing of a great experience have to be put within the context of meaningless drivel, you know?

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Wal-mart, however, came much later. :wink:




So we would like you to believe. :evil:

Wal*Mart is the alpha and the omega. :grin:

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They're not really meaningless. Christianity didn't manifest at the same time of the price tag and cash register.




You are right, Christianity emerged afterwards. Jesus tipping over the money changer's table? Retail is a stronger force and has existed much longer than Christianity has. Taking into account that Scripture, wouldn't one think that Jesus would be just as angry at the mass profits derived from the suspossed celebration of his day of res-erection? :lol:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
    #5521715 - 04/16/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know if this is appropriate on Easter with that tradition thing going on but watching the obviously much younger mom in her stretch pants bending over to get some of those wayward eggs that daughter left behind caused some "risen"...

Oh yeah fertility rite and all that I'm sure my feelings fit in somewhere in that equation...


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5521722 - 04/16/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

LOL Yes, you just wanted to participate in the celebration...to honor her eggs. :wink:


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: Veritas]
    #5521758 - 04/16/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

[qoute]You are right, Christianity emerged afterwards. Jesus tipping over the money changer's table? Retail is a stronger force and has existed much longer than Christianity has. Taking into account that Scripture, wouldn't one think that Jesus would be just as angry at the mass profits derived from the suspossed celebration of his day of res-erection?




Yes he would be there is no question in that answer.

and I could be wrong but I dont think thats how you spell ressurection. I'm probrobly wrong too. peace

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: blaze2]
    #5521787 - 04/16/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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and I could be wrong but I dont think thats how you spell ressurection.  I'm probrobly wrong too.  peace




I know, I was simply tying it in with the pornography joke, concerning Jesus having risen. res-erection. :wink:

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Yes he would be there is no question in that answer.




Thus, the celebration is meaningless, within the context in which it is proposed. :grin:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522202 - 04/16/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522234 - 04/16/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

How is the celebration of Jesus being resurrected meaningless if you are a Christian? If you're a Christian then it's the most important event that ever happened, as it proved that he was the son of God and that is the central Christian belief. You can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that the rest of the world attached to their celebrations.

If however you're not a Christian, then no-one is forcing you to go buy some cream eggs.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522248 - 04/16/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If you're a Christian then it's the most important event that ever happened, as it proved he was the son of God and grounded your whole faith.




Exactly! Meaningless drivel, as I already stated. It is the literal interpretation of the Scripture in question that is meaningless. Thus, celebration of that meaningless drivel is meaningless. Comprende?

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You can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that the rest of the world attached to their celebrations.




Which is to state that you can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that they attached to their own celebrations?

Read Veritas' responses. It was their own doing. One can't attribute it to being ruined by those who aren't of the Christian faith. What about Hanukah, eh? That hasn't become the meaningless ordeal that Christmas has, now has it?

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If however you're not a Christian, then no-one is forcing you to go buy some cream eggs.




Never said they were.

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Great! Consider trying it sometime.

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522285 - 04/16/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If you're a Christian then it's the most important event that ever happened, as it proved he was the son of God and grounded your whole faith.




Exactly! Meaningless drivel, as I already stated. It is the literal interpretation of the Scripture in question that is meaningless. Thus, celebration of that meaningless drivel is meaningless. Comprende?

That's not meaningless interpretation of the scripture. That's called faith. If you believe then you have faith in that belief; just because YOU personally don't believe in anything doesn't mean you can dismiss other peopl's beliefs as "meaninless drivel". That's a pretty intolerant outlook.

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You can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that the rest of the world attached to their celebrations.




Which is to state that you can't blame the Christians for the bullshit that they attached to their own celebrations? Read Veritas' responses. It was their own doing. One can't attribute it to being ruined by those who aren't of the Christian faith. What about Hanukah, eh? That hasn't become the meaningless ordeal that Christmas has, now has it?

Hanukah hasn't been the prevalent festival in America and Europe in the past 100 years. America was a Christian country and as religion dwindled people adapted the festivals into their own, nonreligious celebrations ie the "bullshit" you are talking about. Try going to a church one easter sunday, its not all about eggs and bunnies there. And exactly what bullshit did the Christians attach to their own festival?


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Great! Consider trying it sometime.

Ouch

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522310 - 04/16/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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That's not meaningless interpretation of the scripture. That's called faith. If you believe then you have faith in that belief; just because YOU personally don't believe in anything doesn't mean you can dismiss other peopl's beliefs as "meaninless drivel". That's a pretty intolerant outlook.




Faith in an unsubstaniated misinterpretation of Scripture? I think that is fair grounds to dismiss the like as meaningless drivel. Intolerant? Try rational. Intolerance would be suppresion, not calling it by its name. :smirk:

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Hanukah hasn't been the prevalent festival in America and Europe in the past 100 years.




Because Christians didn't dilute it with meaningless drivel? :smirk:

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America was a Christian country and as religion dwindled people adapted the festivals into their own, nonreligious celebrations ie the "bullshit" you are talking about.




Eh? Apparently you didn't read Veritas' responses, did you? :shocked:

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Try going to a church one easter sunday, its not all about eggs and bunnies there.




Been there, done that. It was concerning itself mostly with the meaningless drivel derived from literal misinterpretation of baseless Scripture.

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And exactly what bullshit did the Christians attach to their own festival?




I don't know, you are the first one to start referring to bullshit being attached to the celebration. You tell me.


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Ouch




Oh, it hurt you as much as it hurt me, eh? :lol:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522325 - 04/16/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So you believe you are right? Fair enough, but why are you so convinced that other people are wrong?


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522348 - 04/16/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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So you believe you are right? Fair enough, but why are you so convinced that other people are wrong?




I'm not convinced that I am right or that others are wrong, first and foremost.

However, it is to be demonstrated that adherence to an unsubstaniated concept that is based only in what should be described as a misinterpretation of an abstract, metaphorical concept addressing spiritual truth as though it were a literal event is rather devoid of meaning.

If such has to be accepted by faith alone, then it is, quite evidently, meaningless drivel, eh? The positive effects of the celebration itself need not be placed in such a meaningless context in order to benefit from such effects. If it is a concept that does not pertain to one's direct perceptions and experience, then what is the point?

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522376 - 04/16/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"If such has to be accepted by faith alone, then it is, quite evidently, meaningless drivel, eh?"

:grin: You've just demonstrated complete lack of understanding of the concept of faith


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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522403 - 04/16/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have faith that you will enlighten me on the matter. :thumbup:

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Re: Jesus Has Risen [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522406 - 04/16/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Faith
firm belief in something for which there is no proof.




For empiricists, something for which there is no proof is meaningless. The beliefs which the faithful hold have the meaning which they have added. For others, that meaning is absent.


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