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A sponge under the cap?
    #5516836 - 04/14/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I know this isn't going to be the most descriptive post but about a week ago on my way home from uni, I came across a small cluster of shrooms that I didn't recognise. I stopped to have a look at them, but then realised that under the cap, rather than gills, these mushrooms had a spongy look to them.

Automatically I discarded them and moved on, but I've been thinking about it for the past couple of days and it's pissing me off. Anyone know what kind of mushrooms have a sponge under the caps rather than gills? Are there are any active mushrooms with this characteristic?

They were growing a few feet away from a pine tree, had about a 5mm thick stem, a 30-40mm cap and approximately 70-80mm length. They looked like they had aged quite a bit so they were a dark brown by the time I found them but looked like they may have been an off white colour beforehand.

If anyone has any ideas or can provide a helpful link, that'd be great. If not...I'm not going to lose any sleep :smile: Thanks


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: triple_]
    #5516860 - 04/14/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think I know what mushroom your talking about. When I was 6 or 7 years old I had picked one of these and carried it back to my house and by the time I got there my hand had cramped up so bad that I could hardly let go of it and the pain was unbearable. 2 years later I developed staff infection in the rist of the same hand.


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: triple_]
    #5516890 - 04/14/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It is some kind of bolet. And no active.


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: DaveTX]
    #5516934 - 04/14/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

From the exceptionally small size of cap less than 2 in. wide and stem 5 millies thick would be Ployporus (many holes) or one of its close relatives......but also....if you have ever eaten a "Porcini" (Boletus edulis) in a restaurant those can be gigantic shrooms with a sponge instead of gills as a means of spore dispersal......and there are probably close to ten "sponge" mushrooms of Boletus that have thus far been identified as "active" around the world but note that severe bluing reactions are extremely common in Boletus type mushrooms that are not "active" mushrooms.........Edit: didnt notice Stoner had replied while I was responding and could be an extremely small form of Bolete relative.....


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: shroominDole]
    #5517022 - 04/14/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>but note that severe bluing reactions are extremely common in Boletus type mushrooms that are not "active" mushrooms...

But should be avoided since the all of the poisonous boletes bruise green/blue.


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5517273 - 04/14/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah. ok. well if im not mistaken there arent any active shrooms that have spores instead of gills. i bet they were strange colored too. im almost positive that they are extremely poisenes.


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: iamthelizard]
    #5517516 - 04/14/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

bolete species, some are edible, some arent, NONE are active. doesnt sound like anything YOU want anyway.


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: iamthelizard]
    #5517548 - 04/14/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah. ok. well if im not mistaken there arent any active shrooms that have spores instead of gills. i bet they were strange colored too. im almost positive that they are extremely poisenes.




I wouldn't say EXTREMELY poisonous, but poisonous none the less. There are some delicous bolete species, but the ones that bruse blue are generally poisonous. Bolete poisoning involves mild gastric upset(bloating, farts, nausea) to severe vomiting/diarrhea and sweating. Not a fun time. Never mess with boletes if you're not 110% sure of the ID.


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: Gumby]
    #5517585 - 04/14/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would guess Suillus sp. of some sort based on the pine association. you might want to check back from time to time and take your camera triple for a proper ID.
Though they are sticky, squishy, and somewhat flavorless... and often infested with bugs, some Suillus are edible. Despite their generally unappealing taste and texture I usually cook up a batch every autumn to reinitiate myself as a consumer of wild mushrooms.
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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: georgeM]
    #5519303 - 04/15/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the replies.

georgeM: I usually do go out with a camera, but I'm kinda camera-less at the moment...need to buy a new one.


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: georgeM]
    #5519784 - 04/15/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting george - I've never tried any Suillus myself.. I find them mostly under white pine species (long needles) just about every year as well.




You are right about the bug part, I always notice big chunks missing out of them, like in the pic above..

Those images are pretty poor, but I rarely go out of the way to photograph Suillus. A couple years ago I took a bunch of pictures of them, but most are on my other computer.

So they don't taste too appealing?


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: eris]
    #5520048 - 04/16/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They aren't all that great in my opinion however you can somewhat improve the texture through dehydration. Flavor is fairly mild. I still have a quart bag of dried Suillus from last years harvest? and the contents have not really diminished over the winter.
One thing I never really liked about Suillus is the cleaning process. Pealing the cap?s extremely gooey membrane, often covered with entrapped blades of grass and hapless insects, can be time darn consuming as you will need to scrape you fingers and knife clean after every mushroom or two.
I will say they often have a sweetly pleasant sent I would describe as a combination of pine and citrus. Certainly worth a shot next time you encounter them? I?m usually still finding chanterelles in large quantity at the time Suillus are fruiting so my fungal attentions and affections are elsewhere.
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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: georgeM]
    #5520382 - 04/16/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with georgeM. Suillus aren't very strongly flavored, and they tend to cook up a bit slimy. If you use them as something to add to a dish, with the proper selection of dish they can be OK.

A trick I found for removing the slime layer on Suillus is to use a paper towel instead of a knife. The slime sticks to the paper well enough that you can, with some effort, just wipe the entire slime layer off.

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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #5520510 - 04/16/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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with some effort, just wipe the entire slime layer off.




i dont know why but that tickled my gag reflex. ill pass on the boletes.

if your near any redwoods you should be looking for some agaricus augustus, they are GOOD.


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5520852 - 04/16/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hehe, some boletes are quite good IMO.
I don't know if I could eat those Suillus though. :smirk:
Just picking them got my hands all coated in some strange slime. :crazy:
Never seen em cooked before though.


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Re: A sponge under the cap? [Re: eris]
    #5520925 - 04/16/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've had a couple good culinary encounters with Suillus...

Though the second time, even the youngest of mushrooms I picked had maggots running through their entirety.

Haha, extra protein!


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