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What Do You Deserve?
    #5520532 - 04/16/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Merriam Webster

Deserve

Etymology: Middle English, from Old French deservir, from Latin deservire to devote oneself to, from de- + servire to serve.

A. to be worthy of : MERIT <deserves another chance>




I include the etymology as well as the definition because I find the contrast between the two very meaningful.  It has occurred to me recently that what I deserve is exactly what I choose to devote myself to, or serve.  When I devote myself to a limiting belief about who I am, or what I am capable of, the consequences are exactly what I deserve.

I've spent the past four months devoting myself to working 6 days per week at a job I dislike, for a miserable wage, and have been clinging to the belief that it is not what I deserve. 

How silly!  What else could possibly happen in my life when I choose a course which I find unrewarding?  Much like investments, the lowest risk vehicles usually have correspondingly low returns.  As I have been unwilling to take the riskier path of starting my own business, I have continued to work as an employee.

On Tuesday I will give two weeks notice at my current job.  I have arranged to work part-time as a nanny while I build my client base for my bookkeeping business. The consequences of these choices will be exactly what I deserve.  :wink:

How about you? What do you deserve in your life?  What are you serving?


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: Veritas]
    #5520552 - 04/16/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Great point. I deserve my present experience, because I have interacted with reality in order to produce it. In fact, reality deserves me, because it has engaged in interaction to produce me to interact with it. :grin:

People deserve what sits before them in this moment. When someone who is passed by for a promotion screams "I deserved that promotion, I bust my ass", they don't realize that they don't deserve it. They deserve what results from that which they devote themself to, eh? :wink:

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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5520587 - 04/16/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

IMO, what really trips us up is not recognizing that we are subconsciously devoting ourselves to experiences and beliefs which are counter to those which we consciously desire.

IOW, I may claim that I deserve to be well-paid, but I harbor doubts about my ability to manage money, so I sabotage my own efforts. While I am consciously attempting to achieve financial success, I am also attempting to maintain my established self-concept.


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5521719 - 04/16/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

People deserve what sits before them in this moment. When someone who is passed by for a promotion screams "I deserved that promotion, I bust my ass", they don't realize that they don't deserve it. They deserve what results from that which they devote themself to, eh?


Precisely! This reminds me of some folks who seem to think that they are entitled to the right to be happy. Wrong. They have the right to the pursuit of happiness. They have the right to expend effort towards a goal of happiness in accordance with their philosophical standards of happiness.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a common tendency for some folks to hold convictions out of context. They want to be successfull, be it in romance or business - yet ignore the context of effort. They think in concretes, not in concepts. And in regards to effort:

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Effort. Since a rational man knows that man must achieve his goals by his own effort, he knows that neither wealth nor jobs nor any human values exist in a given, limited, static quantity, waiting to be divided. He knows that all benefits have to be produced, that the gain of one man does not represent the loss of another, that a man's achievement is not earned at the expense of those who have not achieved it.

Therefore, he never imagines that he has any sort of unearned, unilateral claim on any human being - and he never leaves his interests at the mercy of any one person or single, specific concrete. He may need clients, but not any one particular customer - he may need a job, but not any one particular job.

If he encounters competition, he either meets it or chooses another line of work. There is no job so slow that a better, more skillful performance of it would pass unnoticed and unappreciated; not in a free society. Ask any office manager.

It is only the passive, parasitical representatives of the "humility metaphysics" school who regard any competitor as a threat, because the thought of earning one's position by personal merit is not a part of their view of life. They regard themselves as interchangeable mediocrities who have nothing to offer and who fight, in a "static" universe, for someone's causeless favor.

A rational man knows that one does not live by means of "luck", "breaks", or favors, that there is no such thing as an "only chance" or a single opportunity, and that this is guaranteed precisely by the existence of competition. He does not regard any concrete, specific goal or value as irreplaceable. He knows that only persons are irreplaceable - only those one loves.

He knows also that there are no conflicts of interests among rational men even in the issue of love. Like any other value, love is not a static quantity to be divided, but an unlimited response to be earned. The love for one friend is not a threat to the love for another, and neither is they love for the various members of one's family, assuming they have earned it. The most exclusive form - romantic love - is not an issue of competition. If two men are in love with the same woman, what she feels for either of them is not determined by what she feels for the other and is not taken away from him. If she chooses one of them, the "loser" could not have had what the "winner" has earned. It is only among the irrational, emotion-motivated persons, whose love is divorced from any standards of value, that chance rivalries, accidental conflicts and blind choices prevail. But then, whoever wins does not win much. Among the emotion-driven, neither love nor any other emotion has any meaning.
-The Virtue of Selfishness






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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5521754 - 04/16/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting read. :thumbup:

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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5521779 - 04/16/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you just figured this out for yourself, but it is nothing new.

Basicly you just redefined several old proverbs.

"you reap what you sow"bible(I think)

"Those who live by the sword die by teh sword. Those who lead into captivity shall live in captivity"bible

And of course the eastern equivelent called Karma.

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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: blaze2]
    #5521801 - 04/16/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I believe that those proverbs, as well as the concept of Karma, have much more to do with doing good deeds, acting according to God's or Universal laws, than they do with the focus within one's own life.

What I am expressing is that, regardless of how "good" one is, or how much one sacrifices and serves, the quality of one's experience of life is still determined by the focus and devotion of the individual.


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: blaze2]
    #5521823 - 04/16/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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blaze2 said:
you just figured this out for yourself, but it is nothing new.




Let's avoid the tired, old habit of proclaiming what I have done, what I have not done, who I am, who I am not, etc. etc. etc. It is ineffective and leads to nothing but trouble.

Since when is discussing something evidence that someone "just figured it out for oneself"?

I call to your attention, my second main post in this forum, quite awhile ago...

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fireworks_god said:
    Okay, let's say that one has a goal of being a bass guitarist and leader of a sucessful metal band (not nu-metal, fuck that!). Such a lifetime goal has a lot of risks in it. (after all, low risk-low return. high risk-high return). It requires a lot of someone to be able to pull something like that off.
    There is no way that this goal could ever be acheived (unless one's really lucky) if one doesn't believe one could do it. One would always be faced with "I can't play that well." "No one will listen to our music." "It is way too hard to get a record contract." "I am afraid of contacting these business men. What if they reject me?"
    The truth is, one isn't talented at their instrument unless they BELIEVE they are. Believe me, it requires that extra oomph to be able to play in front of people. One has to have a lot of confidence in what they are doing. If one truly believe's that they are sucessful and are talented and people listen to them, it will come true.
    Obviously, one can't just wish and dream and think they are good. If the person actually believes in themselves, and look at everything through the perspective of their goal, it is crystal clear on what problems come between that, what needs to be done.  Sucess is a process, not a destination. But it is impossible to start down the road to sucess if one doesn't believe they can make it where they are going in the first place. You can sit at home in front of the T.V. and dream and think the world will come to you, or you can believe in yourself and get what needs to be done, done. Actually live the life you want to live. 




It seems as though I didn't just figure this out for myself. :lol: I still cannot be defined by you. :tongue:

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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522259 - 04/16/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What does all that actually mean?!! I'm confused.//


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522265 - 04/16/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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mr_kite said:
What does all that actually mean?!! I'm confused.//




What does all of what actually mean? My quoted post of mine, Skorpivo's quote that he provided, Veritas' thread? Be more specific about your confusion and I'll assist. :wink:

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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522306 - 04/16/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ok

"I deserve my present experience, because I have interacted with reality in order to produce it. In fact, reality deserves me, because it has engaged in interaction to produce me to interact with it."

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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522331 - 04/16/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Are you aware of the fact that we have an experience?

How is that experience created? An interaction between oneself and other aspects of one's environment (reality).

Are you aware of the fact that we consciously choose how it is that we wish to interact with reality?

Thus, the manner in which we choose to interact with reality determines the subsequent experience of reality.

Now, do you understand how it is that a person comes into being?

As the result of interactions of aspects of reality that result in a person being born and the subsequent formation of that person's functions.

Thus, one's present experience is deserved by oneself, as they are responsible for the present experience. Also, reality deserves oneself, as it has unfolded in such a manner as to present oneself into being. Such a realization is empowering and reassuring, neurosis be damned. :wink:

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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522332 - 04/16/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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neurosis be damned.




Amen, brother!  :wink:


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5522393 - 04/16/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No disrespect but maybe its just your English is confusing me a bit... But don't you think it's rather a different set of rules that applies to someone born in the West to a kid born into poverty and death in some African country? You can't realy apply "one's present experience is deserved by oneself, as they are responsible for the present experience" to them.


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522465 - 04/16/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The child born into extreme poverty has (probably) not created his circumstances.

However, once he has the capacity to effect change (or not) in his circumstances, he becomes responsible for the nature of his experience. He is also responsible all along for his own response to his circumstance.

The person who takes on the "victim" stance in response to extreme poverty may not believe that he can effect change, whereas one who believes that she deserves what she creates may escape even the most dire circumstances.

In the former case, the devotion and focus is on how terrible the circumstances are, and thus the conditions continue, and are deserved.

In the latter case, the devotion and focus have turned towards growth and change, and the conditions can shift in that direction.


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: Veritas]
    #5522479 - 04/16/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

people inherently deserve 2 things:

1. to be treated honestly
2. to be left alone if they wish to be.


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: wilshire]
    #5522491 - 04/16/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ahhh, but now we're discussing others' actions towards us. How can we be worthy/unworthy of someone elses' act?

If someone chooses to be dishonest with me, does that mean that I am unworthy of honesty, or that they are incapable/unwilling to be honest?

This is tricky territory.


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: Veritas]
    #5522492 - 04/16/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thats easy to say, tell that to someone who's actually starving with no prospects, no food and not even clean water and see if they reckon they're in control of their "reality experience" or whatever you call it. I think it's fairly insulting and embabarrasing to suggest that someone on that situation is "taking on the victim stance".

What would you actually suggest that person do to avoid "victim stance"?


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: mr_kite]
    #5522505 - 04/16/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Someone who sees themselves as a victim feels disempowered, mistreated, and helpless. They may rail at the Universe, the government, etc...and blame outside forces for their situation.

Conversely, someone who acknowledges the desperation of their circumstances, recognizes that they must seek improvement in order to physically survive, and pursues such improvement, feels empowered and capable.

The circumstances are the same, but the response is very different.


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Re: What Do You Deserve? [Re: Veritas]
    #5522526 - 04/16/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What does that mean??? What the fuck use is that if I have no food and water? You think I wouldnt acknowlege my own desperation and recognise the need for improvement? "empowered and capable" :runaway:

Your ideas apply to certain reatively comfortable situations where you've got a base to work from. if you've got nothing then you're ideas mean nothing.


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