Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
HELP: Grateful Dead
    #5520254 - 04/16/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys, wasn't too sure whether I should post this in the pub or not... so I'll just put it here.
I've recently been getting into the Grateful Dead a lot, and there style varies so much that it's impossible to class them.
I'm pretty young (18) and my friends all think I'm a complete whacko because all I ever listen to is psychedelic music (shpongle, shulman, infected mushroom, grateful dead, phish, acid trance etc etc)... but I love this music because it just brings back floods of memories from old trips and helps keep me in my right state of mind.

I really REALLY love the song "Estimated Prophet" (Grateful Dead..) and I was wondering if anyone could help me out in finding GD songs that are similar or go by the same style as this? I can't get it out of my head... I love their other stuff too, but would like to find more that has this sort of style to it...

thanks in advance for any help.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineilovemushies
NeedsInspiration
Male

Registered: 04/11/06
Posts: 134
Loc: New Jersey
Last seen: 11 years, 3 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5520327 - 04/16/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

another dead head, eh?
yea, the dead rocks, as for the songs, im not sure :rasta:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleshobimono
Why?
Registered: 09/14/04
Posts: 561
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: ilovemushies]
    #5520599 - 04/16/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

One great thing about the Dead is that they play different songs every show, and they play those songs slightly differently each time too.

They played Estimated Prophet almost 400 times in their 30 year run. Lately I've been listening to this version a lot

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15997

Sign up for bt.etree.org and you can download a kickass soundboard copy here

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=24190

this show also has an awesome Dark Star.

If you like extended jam type Dead songs, you should check out;

Dark Star
Shakedown Street
Fire On The Mountain
Eyes Of The World

You can search for shows based on songs or many other things at

http://www.deadbase.com/

click the search link on the left side of the page.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMLBjammer
Invitro Freak
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/24/06
Posts: 560
Loc: Southeastern USA
Last seen: 7 years, 13 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5520898 - 04/16/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Estimated" is one of those tunes that has sort of a reggae verse, rock chorus, and jazzy outro; great tune, always a cool end jam when seen live. It's a Bob Weir number, so you prolly will dig his stuff. I would check out "Lost Sailor," "Saint of Circumstances," "Weather Report>Let It Grow," "Cassidy," "Feel Like a Stranger," "Lazy Lightning>Supplication Jam," etc. I would focus on the mid '70s on for that kind of sound. But I am always excited to hear that young people are into the Dead. And, as a matter of fact, all the Dead's stuff is great music--but get the live stuff before any studio; studio Dead does not represent the band very well. Peace.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLedHead
Stranger

Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 931
Last seen: 11 years, 5 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: MLBjammer]
    #5520935 - 04/16/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

franklins tower live is tits


--------------------
I'm a traveler of both time and space...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAbrainspot
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 01/06/06
Posts: 1,500
Loc: Rewind
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5520940 - 04/16/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Scarlet Begonias, China Cat Sunflower, Franklin's Tower (my fav), Terrapin Station, Touch of Grey, etc.  THEY ARE ALL GOOD

:gd_icon:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: Abrainspot]
    #5521926 - 04/16/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They did alot of songs like that during the arista years.
They have a great collection on cd called the arista years(arista records). 80's (studio)dead was always really unique. Some dont like it much, and I have no idea why. The song you mentioned fits right in there though. Estimated Prophet is definately in my top three favorites during those years.

China cat sun flower was always one of my favs. The jam is incredible every time, and the sound is like a sunny day, high as a kite in the middle of some secluded field. ABout as trippy as they get.

I know alot of dead fans like myself have many many live tapes. If it is hard for you to get live tapes from any point in the deads history, there are two albums that should start you off nicely, (if you dont have them already).

Europe 72'
and
Without a Net -----------------> they are really great live double disks.

If you are into phish, I have a pretty good idea what live cd's you should go out and buy RIGHT NOW.
6/14/00, Fukuoka Japan. Its in their recently released live collection. It is the most out there show I have ever heard. They made magic that night, and they thanked the quiet and attentive audience for allowing that to happen. Less rock, more grooves and extreemely long jams. Alien music.............

Also, Live at Madison Square Garden New Year's Eve 1995 [LIVE]
Amazing show, and they hit the mark with every note, every intention fulfilled. A little more rock, and not as groovy/funky/trippy.
When they do get more jammed out and mathematical, its phish in top form.
I would buy it just for the elongated "Reba" jam, possibly my favorite thing I have ever heard. It just brings me back to the first time I heard it, and can almost bring me to tears(to be honest I am a musician, and it has brought me to tears). Ya I am refering to the jam of the "bag it, tag it" song beleive it or not. This "95' jam" is so alien and 3-dimentional that you can almost touch it. They are not conveying normal human emotion, and thats probably why it hits home so hard for me, and is also why I consider it the trippiest thing I have ever heard.


Edited by stemmer (04/16/06 05:56 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAlwaysFlowin
Never Pass onGrass
 User Gallery

Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 347
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5522112 - 04/16/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Didn't see anyone mention Turn on Your Lovelight... may I recommend 5/15/70 (Fillmore East- Late Show)  :smile:

And if I could only give one recommendation for Phish I'd have to say the 8/13/96 Divided Sky is rather transcendent :smile:

Both Phish and the Dead have changed my life for the better- just PM me if you need any shows/songs- same goes for everyone, I will send Phish and Dead shows to anyone Shroomerite... all I ask for in return is a smile.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepantsboy
I troll because I care.
Female User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/04
Posts: 13,002
Loc: 8====D ~o
Last seen: 1 year, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5522231 - 04/16/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Your rain falls like crazy fingers
Peals of fragile thunder
Keeping time

Recall the days that still are to come
Some sing blue


--------------------
Acid doesn't hurt when you're on fire. :frown:




"Mushrooms are only similar to penises in their appearance." - LeBron James (2013)

ToiletDuk said:
"Bus squelching is not to be laughed at."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefazdazzle
Wanderer

Registered: 02/17/05
Posts: 1,796
Last seen: 11 years, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5522273 - 04/16/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how often the dead were on acid when they played?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepantsboy
I troll because I care.
Female User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/04
Posts: 13,002
Loc: 8====D ~o
Last seen: 1 year, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522276 - 04/16/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'd say a good two decades at least. :wink:


--------------------
Acid doesn't hurt when you're on fire. :frown:




"Mushrooms are only similar to penises in their appearance." - LeBron James (2013)

ToiletDuk said:
"Bus squelching is not to be laughed at."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefazdazzle
Wanderer

Registered: 02/17/05
Posts: 1,796
Last seen: 11 years, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: pantsboy]
    #5522292 - 04/16/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting, but I was actually wondering about per show: would you say during the two decades they played while tripping they were tripping at 75% of the shows? 90%? 30%?

it must have been a little strange for them to not be tripping at a concert later on when they stopped.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepantsboy
I troll because I care.
Female User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/04
Posts: 13,002
Loc: 8====D ~o
Last seen: 1 year, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522333 - 04/16/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'd say initially it would have been 90% of the time or higher and then it probably became less and less frequent as time went on. It's also pretty clear that they're trippin when listening to a show from the late 60's or early 70's. The style of Jerry's guitar cleverly mimics what one would already expect to here when under the influence of LSD.


--------------------
Acid doesn't hurt when you're on fire. :frown:




"Mushrooms are only similar to penises in their appearance." - LeBron James (2013)

ToiletDuk said:
"Bus squelching is not to be laughed at."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAbrainspot
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 01/06/06
Posts: 1,500
Loc: Rewind
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: pantsboy]
    #5522344 - 04/16/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Brown-Eyed Woman

Awesome song


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefazdazzle
Wanderer

Registered: 02/17/05
Posts: 1,796
Last seen: 11 years, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: pantsboy]
    #5522356 - 04/16/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That would be pretty intense...

That also leads me to wonder if they dosed because they knew they were going to be playing or if their concerts just coincided with their acid dripped lifestyle.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522405 - 04/16/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

As often as they toured 30% of the time would be overkill.
They didnt trip all that often when touring. I would just assume most of the members enjoyed lsd and knew enough to not take it so damn often. These guys were not like some psychedelic soup. They were good musicians. They did take more acid than most bands thats for sure. But what musician would assume that because they play incredible trippy music, would think they were ever tripping 90% of the time, even in the early years? If that was the case, they toured enough to make me think they were ignorant as hell. I dont think thats the case though. Jerry used to see which one of a large group of friends could take the most acid(when it was legal) in one sitting. Thats pretty dumb, and thats well documented and in the words of Jerry (he was quite young when he did that).
There is no telling how often that band was on lsd when playing live. They are so good at what they do, I would assume they were smart enough to trip mostly by themselves, or with others but not when playing music.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5522489 - 04/16/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks heaps guys! I've really been getting into phish a lot more as well. I've got to say that "My Sweet One" is such a kick ass song. I'm going to go for Dark Star, Shakedown Stree, Fire On The Mountain, Eyes Of The World (thanks shobimono, MLBjammer & stemmer & everyone else that suggested).
I am yet to trip to this music but I'm looking forward to it immenseley.
I love psychedelic music most because every time I close my eyes and listen to it (I often put my mp3 player on when I go to sleep) the music begins to take form and shape and dance in front of my eyes. I can literally see the music in front of me.... it's like the lingering effects of the psychedelics I've taken... it's so nice to fall asleep to. I love it because it knocks me straight out to sleep almost instantly (I wake up and find that I didn't even get past the 3rd song... :laugh:) and I always have intensely vivid dreams whenever I fall asleep to (especially) psychedelic music.
True craftsmanship!
I love it.
Once again, thanks for all the replies... it's been a big help!

Thanks,  fellow shroomerites!

peace

any more suggestions are welcome!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5522535 - 04/16/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ya the thread shouldnt end here.

I have a few most absolute must have albums, many, but I might as well narrow them down to one artist for the time being.

3 must have psychedelic albums(they are funk/jazz/tribal)

Herbie hancocks-----> "Head hunters", "Man Child", and "secrets".

In the realm of trippy music these are in a class of their own. A trippy sound means more to me than it would for some, and these grooves are like a freight-train........ VERY ambient, and full of nothing but perpetual flow. Its magic.

Herbie was playing with miles since he was 12 years old.

"MUST HAVE" for sure.


Edited by stemmer (04/16/06 08:47 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefazdazzle
Wanderer

Registered: 02/17/05
Posts: 1,796
Last seen: 11 years, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: shobimono]
    #5522590 - 04/16/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

shobimono - that archive website is amazing!

I'm listening to the may 15, 1970 at the fillmore east show right now and it's really great listening to them just chit-chat. The dead would have been a really fun group to hang out with.

Sucks that I don't know who's who from their voices. Who's the real hippy sounding guy? The only time i've heard jerry just talk was in half baked.

Sorry none of my posts have been about specific songs or anything, but I'm just curious about the people.

edit: stemmer I do appreciate their music and abilities, I just thought (I guess wrongly, now) that they were under the influence of LSD quite often. I'm pretty sure back in the acid-test days they *were* on acid most of the time when they played. Maybe not, though.


Edited by fazdazzle (04/16/06 09:08 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522651 - 04/16/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It is likely that the most hippy sounding guy was jerry. He had a high tone that fluctuated without reason. Very bubbly..........
ON video and sound he is one of the more tripped out people I have ever heard speak. He has a very nasally, high pitched tone and a more nonchalant/whatever type attitude. He will have a quick jam with Grisman that was top notch and say "ya man, that was good fun".

He sounds like an insect that speaks english. BBBBZZZZZ BZZZZZZZZZB HHHRRBISSSSSSSSS YAEEknow?

He sounds like the most content MF on the planet.........


Edited by stemmer (04/16/06 09:16 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522655 - 04/16/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

re-create the scene that they had going. I've had this little fantasy in my head of having a concert in the local arboretum near me (it's really really nice.... huge open spaces with lots of tree's, gazebos, bbq's etc) called "Bringing back the Dead" and playing tributes and have heaps of little stages everywhere each playing different tytpes of psychedelic music. There is a blues festival that plays near here every year and it's the hugest weed-bonanza. All the old trippers from back in the day go there and get high for like 2 days, I've never been but all my friends have and said it was pretty cool.
I know the kids round this area are starting to get real keen to do acid, I've sort of de-mythed it and told them the truth about what they need to know about it (thanks to the shroomery and erowid, of course!) so I'm sure in a few years maybe I'll get to have the honour of hosting a Dead tribute gig (I'm in a band with my brother and a couple of mates... although we're far from 'psychedelic music'.

Anyway, keep the suggestions rolling, I'm building up quite a list here!!!
thanks again.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepantsboy
I troll because I care.
Female User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/04
Posts: 13,002
Loc: 8====D ~o
Last seen: 1 year, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522656 - 04/16/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Jerry wasn't in Half-Baked, that was just a look-a-like. He was already dead at that point.


--------------------
Acid doesn't hurt when you're on fire. :frown:




"Mushrooms are only similar to penises in their appearance." - LeBron James (2013)

ToiletDuk said:
"Bus squelching is not to be laughed at."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefazdazzle
Wanderer

Registered: 02/17/05
Posts: 1,796
Last seen: 11 years, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5522697 - 04/16/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

stemmer said:
He sounds like the most content MF on the planet.........




Haha that comment just cracked me up...except when I saw MF my mind instantly interpreted it as mofo so it sounded a little funny.

Pantsboy - thanks for the correction, I didn't know that. I should have made that connection though; Little sloppy on my part.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDyeGreen
Super Stud
Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 217
Last seen: 15 years, 3 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522775 - 04/16/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I really don't think anyone could make great live music while on LSD - as much as we like to think they could.

When I trip (tho only on lsd once) I'm usually more concerned with trying to stop my face from falling off than I am with making sure all the notes I play are in time and on the correct scale.

Low doses, possible I guess... But my bet is during their best shows their pretty close to sober. But I honestly have no idea, just my 2c.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: DyeGreen]
    #5522802 - 04/16/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i find it impossible to even write while on LSD.
Last time I tried it, I was writing words backwards... it was insane. I don't know how they did it, if they did it. I've got one song called 'Eggshells' and it sounds really old and recorded on perhaps one microphone. I wouldn't be surprised if they were tripping bojangles in that song.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5522848 - 04/16/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Most content Mother fucker is what I meant.

Music isnt easiest to write while using hallucinogens(the structure). Improvisation IS one hell of a thing when you have already made the song a part of your memory. Jazz musicains like LSD too...........and with very good reason.....


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDankdude
Stranger
Registered: 03/24/04
Posts: 1
Last seen: 15 years, 17 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5522893 - 04/16/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

How to tell that Jerry Garcia wasn't in Half Baked is that on the hand he waves as the stoners (being his right hand) his middle finger is whole.
Anyone who is an obsessive Fan of The Grateful Dead knows that the middle finger on Jerry Garcia's right hand is gone down to the first joint.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: Dankdude]
    #5522905 - 04/16/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He can still hold a pick. That is a cool fact though.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefazdazzle
Wanderer

Registered: 02/17/05
Posts: 1,796
Last seen: 11 years, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5522956 - 04/16/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I read "Dark Star" in the summer; it's a biography on Jerry and I distinctly remember someone saying in the book that early on sometimes Jerry would have a really wierd facial expression while playing on LSD and the guy reporting this thought it was funny because he always wondered if Jerry was thinking his guitar was a snake or whatever.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepantsboy
I troll because I care.
Female User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/04
Posts: 13,002
Loc: 8====D ~o
Last seen: 1 year, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5523035 - 04/16/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

stemmer said:
He can still hold a pick. That is a cool fact though.




I find it even more strange that he plays banjo like that (a finger-picking instrument). The middle finger is pretty essential for banjo picking. He uses his ring finger in replace of it though.


--------------------
Acid doesn't hurt when you're on fire. :frown:




"Mushrooms are only similar to penises in their appearance." - LeBron James (2013)

ToiletDuk said:
"Bus squelching is not to be laughed at."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepantsboy
I troll because I care.
Female User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/04
Posts: 13,002
Loc: 8====D ~o
Last seen: 1 year, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: DyeGreen]
    #5523043 - 04/16/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

DyeGreen said:
I really don't think anyone could make great live music while on LSD - as much as we like to think they could.

When I trip (tho only on lsd once) I'm usually more concerned with trying to stop my face from falling off than I am with making sure all the notes I play are in time and on the correct scale.

Low doses, possible I guess... But my bet is during their best shows their pretty close to sober.  But I honestly have no idea, just my 2c.




Actually LSD is a wonderful substance for musical creativity.  People on LSD seem to be more in tne to the music and have more freedom to express what they want to say.  I'm going as far as to say that people play better on acid, but I definitely think it opens up a new gate of creativity that can't acessed as easily while sober.  Overall, I'd say it's a rare breed and definitely one fo the few drugs that promotes musical creativity instead of effecting it negatively.

I find that when I'm on acid, I can always play an instrument even when I'm trippin to hard to speak.  There are even a couple of things I noticed I can only do the guitar when I'm on acid strangley enough. :shrug:


--------------------
Acid doesn't hurt when you're on fire. :frown:




"Mushrooms are only similar to penises in their appearance." - LeBron James (2013)

ToiletDuk said:
"Bus squelching is not to be laughed at."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: pantsboy]
    #5523141 - 04/16/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've never actually tried to play guitar on acid or shrooms...
I'll write that down on my things to do list...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepantsboy
I troll because I care.
Female User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/04
Posts: 13,002
Loc: 8====D ~o
Last seen: 1 year, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5523154 - 04/16/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've noticed that playing guitar on acid is completely different than playing it on shrooms. When on acid you feel much more in tune and expressive when playing as I explained above. While on shrooms it just provides more of a sense of satisfaction or pleasure because you're listening to notes that you are making, it's still feels very rewarding nonetheless.


--------------------
Acid doesn't hurt when you're on fire. :frown:




"Mushrooms are only similar to penises in their appearance." - LeBron James (2013)

ToiletDuk said:
"Bus squelching is not to be laughed at."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: pantsboy]
    #5523164 - 04/17/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

can I ask how long you've been playing guitar for? I've been playing for about 9 years but have probably only had 1 1/2 years of lessons. I've had a LOT of jam time with friends though, and spent a lot of time by myself smoking weed and making up cool tunes, but it feels like I've come to a point where all creativity ceases and I'm stuck playing what I already know/make up. I feel like probably if I had a nice session on LSD/guitar then I'd probably open a whole new door...
I usually make up pretty trippy stuff anyway, but I haven't done anything for a while, with a fair bit of frustration.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepantsboy
I troll because I care.
Female User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/04
Posts: 13,002
Loc: 8====D ~o
Last seen: 1 year, 26 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5523190 - 04/17/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've only been playing for three years now, but I'm an avid guitar player. I'm the guitarist for a local jazz combo and we go to competitions and stuff. I had guitar lessons for the first two years and they helped alot and everthing but I just got to busy to continue taking them. I paly enough guitar every day though to more than compensate for when I was taking lessons. Iw ish to soon start up lessons again though, except this time in genre of bluegrass instead of jazz.

While LSD won't nesscarily turn you into a better muscian, it will definitely help put you in the frame of mind that you need to be in order to express what you want on the guitar and create what you want musically.
LSD really does wonders when it comes to the improvisational side of music (jamming and taking solos and such), in fact, John Coltrane was an regular user of LSD because of this.


--------------------
Acid doesn't hurt when you're on fire. :frown:




"Mushrooms are only similar to penises in their appearance." - LeBron James (2013)

ToiletDuk said:
"Bus squelching is not to be laughed at."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: pantsboy]
    #5523358 - 04/17/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The band I used to play in only ever performed once at a competition and we won hands down out of about 15 bands.
I have only ever played live once and that was for this band, but it was a metal band as I've kind of changed my musical tastes a fair bit since then, but still enjoy some heavy music sometimes.
I haven't had lessons since I was about 14 but I feel like I've learnt more just from jamming than ever having lessons. When I was like, 16 I'd have a few friends over with a drumkit, bass, guitars and a whole lot of weed and just spend hours and hours jamming and making up the coolest shit. I still can't read music and don't think I'll ever be able to, but you don't need to write words down to sing or remember them!
so yeah, I guess I'll just have some acid and play some guitar next time I get the chance. Thanks for the help, pants


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMLBjammer
Invitro Freak
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/24/06
Posts: 560
Loc: Southeastern USA
Last seen: 7 years, 13 days
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5523717 - 04/17/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have been playing guitar for 18 years, started tripping at about the same time; and I have to say that when I am on low doses or coming up or down, I can play. But at the peaks, I cannot play--coherently anyhow--but it is different with each individual, I guess. I did read a quote from Garcia in the '80s, I believe, and he said that he could not trip and play, would rather be chasing butterflies. The early days, of course, were another story. And a lot of Garcia's electric work reflects banjo rolls (picking patterns), but Jerry was a tripped-out folkie. LOL.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: MLBjammer]
    #5525880 - 04/17/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

nonetheless, it would be pretty damned interesting to see the difference between tripping and not tripping whilst playing the guitar. It's something every musician should try (with their respective instrument of choice, of course)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5526005 - 04/17/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I started taking lsd afew years after I started playing the guitar.
For me there was no better teacher than LSD.
I play mostly jazz.
I cant play very well at all when peaking, but I learn alot and often have a big grin on my face while I play strange riffs that are alien to me. Ill think, "well where the hell did that come from..oh ya!". Like a massive musical storage area in my brain became accessible.
I have only tried playing while peaking a few times. Lsd and mushrooms were one thing, but on mescaline I cant play a damn thing for quite some time even after the peak.

Most importantly, the maths music is made of are finite, there are only so many notes, and only so many ways you can break up a rhythm.
These maths have become all the more apparent to me due to years of tripping. I find that it has alot to do with the effects of time dilation.
All the potential riffs on the head of a pin. Mental machinery working overtime within every second. The logic music is made of just spills out of my brain when coming down. Always has.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBarrett420
Mind Over Matter
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/02/05
Posts: 30
Loc: Katy, TX
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5526074 - 04/17/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

American Beauty is the best album. It makes you so happy when your trippin. The Dead rocks man.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: Barrett420]
    #5526104 - 04/17/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've always wondered when humans will run out of songs to write. There are only so many notes, chord progressions, riffs, stringed sentences and so forth.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5526348 - 04/17/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I remember tripping on mescaline and a small amount of mushrooms, we were all sitting around and I had my electric guitar. I couldnt play a single tune without accidentally muffling some notes or fuckin up in some other way. Improv. came easy though......

After every little conversational riff I would follow it up with a musical version of it. That really tripped out my two friends and made them laugh every time. After doing this a few times without really even thinking about it(totally uncontrived), my friend asked me to play what it is like when he gets up from the recliner to get a glass of water. I tried, and it sounded like shit, and he said, "aw shit man you can do better than that", we all laughed. I tried to go back to the same place I was before his request and tried again, we were all amazed by the results...I even included the rushing water from the sink.
I could not have had this musical connection with my two buddies had it not been for the psychedelics. Its just another example of what makes psychedelics so relavent to the world of music.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5531657 - 04/18/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that's a really cool idea, stemmer... I think I might try that next time I'm tripping... making every day sounds with the guitar.

I just want to say : THANKYOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR THE MUSIC RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE MADE TO ME!!! I can't thank you enough. I now have the most amazing collection of music I could ever wish for. Herbie Hancock, Grateful Dead, and I went to the shroomery shroomiepedia and got a list of all the music people recommended tripping on there... fuck me, man, my collection goes off it's tits.
Thank you guys so much, I am loving this music. There is one Herbie Hancock song feat. Christina Aguilira ( I dont really like her or her music at all) but this song is amazing... guys

once again... thanks for all the help, I've got some new Dead too, and it's simply amazing....

:laugh: -xk3m


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5531878 - 04/18/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There is a really cool part on the phish IT dvd where trey and the bassist mike gordon speak with their intruments in relation to what they are saying with words.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5532012 - 04/19/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

David Lee Roth does that on Yankee Rose. Cool song.
I LOVE Gin & Juice & Yakilupsa (sp) Policeman. My Sweet One is a cool song also


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAbrainspot
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 01/06/06
Posts: 1,500
Loc: Rewind
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5543919 - 04/22/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPBDWAwxbU

A cool 1981 interview with Ken Kesey and Jerry Garcia - they talk about when they did LSD during shows and what not


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAlwaysFlowin
Never Pass onGrass
 User Gallery

Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 347
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5544223 - 04/22/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

xk3m_indica said:
David Lee Roth does that on Yankee Rose. Cool song.
I LOVE Gin & Juice & Yakilupsa (sp) Policeman. My Sweet One is a cool song also




Yikes!!  :smile:  That Gin & Juice is most certainly not a Phish song.

"This song has not been performed or recorded by the Vermont band Phish .

It was originally done by Dr. Dre, Snoop, and a NYC hip-hop artist named Phish, and has been covered by a bluegrass band from Texas called the Gourds. The latter circulates on MP3, and is sometimes incorrectly labeled as by Phish.

The hip-hop artist "Phish" is also featured on backup vocals for Dre's "What's the Difference" (track 7 on Dr. Dre 2001 - a title as remarkably unoriginal as using the name Phish nearly two decades after the band started to).
"

And the other song is titled- Makisupa Policeman.  But seriously, listen to Divided Sky if you think you like Phish and guitar.  You won't be disappointed and it's entirely different than My Sweet One and Makisupa:)


Edited by AlwaysFlowin (04/22/06 02:09 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMustardMan
Peace Frog
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/18/05
Posts: 970
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5544234 - 04/22/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My favorite songs by GD are fire on the mountain and terrapin station.

Also download alan's psychedelic breakfast by pink floyd.


--------------------
Wild Psilocybe Ovoideocystidiata

Cultivated Cubensis


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: MustardMan]
    #5544380 - 04/22/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thanks for that clip jst31.........

And all the rest of the GD videos ----> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=SaltLakeDude


Edited by stemmer (04/22/06 03:01 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejonnyjonjonjon
CrackBadger
 User Gallery

Registered: 12/06/04
Posts: 727
Loc: The Pharm
Last seen: 7 years, 5 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5544457 - 04/22/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm into psychedelic music too but I could never really find any good bands. Thanks for the recommendation.


--------------------
Mother goose said to the swan "Is that PCP your cooking?" and the swan replied "Yes, yes it is.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #5544905 - 04/22/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Gin & Juice has indeed been played by phish believe it of not. I own the tape, fishman raps the whole song. Apparently some phish fans dont believe it or something because when I googled it I ran across the same quote, "This song has not been performed or recorded by the Vermont band Phish". Well thats just not true.

If you like jazz and like psychedelic music, buy some grant green. And george benson will knock your sox off. Grant green is very chilled sounding and full of grooves(one of the best guitarists ever and many consider him to be the creator of acid-jazz).
George benson is kind of overwhelming at times, and alot of his best stuff Is supposedly out of print(which usually isnt the case).
Benson has the most unique and funky style I have ever heard in a jazz guitarest.

In my top 5 albums list, george benson's album "body talk", and grant greens "his majesty king funk" are the top 2(thats just me, but everyone who loves psychedelic music will like or love these albums). Its kind of like herbie hancock's "head hunters" album, They are all MUST HAVES.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAlwaysFlowin
Never Pass onGrass
 User Gallery

Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 347
Last seen: 17 years, 2 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5544942 - 04/22/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

^^ Stemmer, there is however, a largely circulated recording of that other bluegrass band's recording of Gin and Juice and it is labeled Phish- and it most certainly is not :smile:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5544989 - 04/22/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dude Im a musician and one of the biggest fans you will ever speak to. Phish is not a bluegrass band for one, and they sure as shit have played gin and juice during a segway from one jam to another.
Its not a rumor its true. The whole band is playing in the background. All of the members of phish have a distinct style, and thats the band that played gin and juice as a cover. Im pretty sure the band have switched intruments at that point in the show to some degree. (trey on drums)?. Who the hell sounds like fishman and why does the tape I have reveal the performance to be a part of a longer jam. Unless some people spliced the song with some other phish song seemlessly during a jam. I would be pretty impressed if that was the case, and you would be right. Who in the world sounds like fishman vocally?

Which bluegrass band might you be talking about? Im certain that what I have on tape is phish. I have seen bela fleck and the F-tones passed off as phish on tapes(which is pretty funny), but not in the middle of a jam.


Edited by stemmer (04/22/06 07:18 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemecreateme
YoUisMEEMsiUoY
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/13/04
Posts: 2,727
Loc: Memphrica
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5545086 - 04/22/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He is talking about a popular online file usually attributed to Phish. He is not speaking about your tape of a live Phish show. Really look up Gin and Juice by Phish and you will get a Gourds song. That is the band that did that version of Gin and Juice. It is always attributed to some jam band but it was really the Gourds. You are talking about something different.


--------------------
No ONE wants to know the ultimate TRUTH, as soon as YOU find IT out, YOU want to forget IT.

You are everything's way of feeling itself.

Happy Schwag, everygodly!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestemmer
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 2,672
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: mecreateme]
    #5545116 - 04/22/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I was definately talking about something different, your right.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Grateful Dead
( 1 2 all )
PinkFloydhawkeye 2,583 21 10/07/05 01:12 PM
by stealyoface
* the grateful dead.....
( 1 2 all )
dutchmushroom 3,680 33 10/05/07 08:14 PM
by dutchmushroom
* Re: Grateful Dead anyone?
( 1 2 all )
gnrm23 4,494 22 01/20/00 01:04 AM
by Condi1
* -Serious people only- Grateful Dead, LSD and Jerry Garcia Justice_Fish 4,162 19 06/18/07 05:03 PM
by highdroponics
* Mushrooms and the Grateful dead notapillow 6,607 18 10/16/07 05:48 PM
by notapillow
* Grateful Dead, LSD, Garcia's passing, and cruelty of time. GrizzyCappy 1,464 12 06/11/07 04:00 PM
by GrizzyCappy
* Grateful Dead Nostalgia Mikeadelic 740 8 08/11/07 10:58 AM
by Mikeadelic
* trippy guitar solos
( 1 2 3 4 all )
milkman 7,639 60 09/12/07 09:12 AM
by Kinematics

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
3,521 topic views. 0 members, 40 guests and 16 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.041 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 14 queries.