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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522655 - 04/16/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

re-create the scene that they had going. I've had this little fantasy in my head of having a concert in the local arboretum near me (it's really really nice.... huge open spaces with lots of tree's, gazebos, bbq's etc) called "Bringing back the Dead" and playing tributes and have heaps of little stages everywhere each playing different tytpes of psychedelic music. There is a blues festival that plays near here every year and it's the hugest weed-bonanza. All the old trippers from back in the day go there and get high for like 2 days, I've never been but all my friends have and said it was pretty cool.
I know the kids round this area are starting to get real keen to do acid, I've sort of de-mythed it and told them the truth about what they need to know about it (thanks to the shroomery and erowid, of course!) so I'm sure in a few years maybe I'll get to have the honour of hosting a Dead tribute gig (I'm in a band with my brother and a couple of mates... although we're far from 'psychedelic music'.

Anyway, keep the suggestions rolling, I'm building up quite a list here!!!
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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522656 - 04/16/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Jerry wasn't in Half-Baked, that was just a look-a-like. He was already dead at that point.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5522697 - 04/16/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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He sounds like the most content MF on the planet.........




Haha that comment just cracked me up...except when I saw MF my mind instantly interpreted it as mofo so it sounded a little funny.

Pantsboy - thanks for the correction, I didn't know that. I should have made that connection though; Little sloppy on my part.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5522775 - 04/16/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I really don't think anyone could make great live music while on LSD - as much as we like to think they could.

When I trip (tho only on lsd once) I'm usually more concerned with trying to stop my face from falling off than I am with making sure all the notes I play are in time and on the correct scale.

Low doses, possible I guess... But my bet is during their best shows their pretty close to sober. But I honestly have no idea, just my 2c.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: DyeGreen]
    #5522802 - 04/16/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i find it impossible to even write while on LSD.
Last time I tried it, I was writing words backwards... it was insane. I don't know how they did it, if they did it. I've got one song called 'Eggshells' and it sounds really old and recorded on perhaps one microphone. I wouldn't be surprised if they were tripping bojangles in that song.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5522848 - 04/16/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Most content Mother fucker is what I meant.

Music isnt easiest to write while using hallucinogens(the structure). Improvisation IS one hell of a thing when you have already made the song a part of your memory. Jazz musicains like LSD too...........and with very good reason.....


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5522893 - 04/16/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

How to tell that Jerry Garcia wasn't in Half Baked is that on the hand he waves as the stoners (being his right hand) his middle finger is whole.
Anyone who is an obsessive Fan of The Grateful Dead knows that the middle finger on Jerry Garcia's right hand is gone down to the first joint.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: Dankdude]
    #5522905 - 04/16/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He can still hold a pick. That is a cool fact though.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5522956 - 04/16/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I read "Dark Star" in the summer; it's a biography on Jerry and I distinctly remember someone saying in the book that early on sometimes Jerry would have a really wierd facial expression while playing on LSD and the guy reporting this thought it was funny because he always wondered if Jerry was thinking his guitar was a snake or whatever.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5523035 - 04/16/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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He can still hold a pick. That is a cool fact though.




I find it even more strange that he plays banjo like that (a finger-picking instrument). The middle finger is pretty essential for banjo picking. He uses his ring finger in replace of it though.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: DyeGreen]
    #5523043 - 04/16/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I really don't think anyone could make great live music while on LSD - as much as we like to think they could.

When I trip (tho only on lsd once) I'm usually more concerned with trying to stop my face from falling off than I am with making sure all the notes I play are in time and on the correct scale.

Low doses, possible I guess... But my bet is during their best shows their pretty close to sober.  But I honestly have no idea, just my 2c.




Actually LSD is a wonderful substance for musical creativity.  People on LSD seem to be more in tne to the music and have more freedom to express what they want to say.  I'm going as far as to say that people play better on acid, but I definitely think it opens up a new gate of creativity that can't acessed as easily while sober.  Overall, I'd say it's a rare breed and definitely one fo the few drugs that promotes musical creativity instead of effecting it negatively.

I find that when I'm on acid, I can always play an instrument even when I'm trippin to hard to speak.  There are even a couple of things I noticed I can only do the guitar when I'm on acid strangley enough. :shrug:


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: pantsboy]
    #5523141 - 04/16/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've never actually tried to play guitar on acid or shrooms...
I'll write that down on my things to do list...


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5523154 - 04/16/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've noticed that playing guitar on acid is completely different than playing it on shrooms. When on acid you feel much more in tune and expressive when playing as I explained above. While on shrooms it just provides more of a sense of satisfaction or pleasure because you're listening to notes that you are making, it's still feels very rewarding nonetheless.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: pantsboy]
    #5523164 - 04/17/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

can I ask how long you've been playing guitar for? I've been playing for about 9 years but have probably only had 1 1/2 years of lessons. I've had a LOT of jam time with friends though, and spent a lot of time by myself smoking weed and making up cool tunes, but it feels like I've come to a point where all creativity ceases and I'm stuck playing what I already know/make up. I feel like probably if I had a nice session on LSD/guitar then I'd probably open a whole new door...
I usually make up pretty trippy stuff anyway, but I haven't done anything for a while, with a fair bit of frustration.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5523190 - 04/17/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've only been playing for three years now, but I'm an avid guitar player. I'm the guitarist for a local jazz combo and we go to competitions and stuff. I had guitar lessons for the first two years and they helped alot and everthing but I just got to busy to continue taking them. I paly enough guitar every day though to more than compensate for when I was taking lessons. Iw ish to soon start up lessons again though, except this time in genre of bluegrass instead of jazz.

While LSD won't nesscarily turn you into a better muscian, it will definitely help put you in the frame of mind that you need to be in order to express what you want on the guitar and create what you want musically.
LSD really does wonders when it comes to the improvisational side of music (jamming and taking solos and such), in fact, John Coltrane was an regular user of LSD because of this.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: pantsboy]
    #5523358 - 04/17/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The band I used to play in only ever performed once at a competition and we won hands down out of about 15 bands.
I have only ever played live once and that was for this band, but it was a metal band as I've kind of changed my musical tastes a fair bit since then, but still enjoy some heavy music sometimes.
I haven't had lessons since I was about 14 but I feel like I've learnt more just from jamming than ever having lessons. When I was like, 16 I'd have a few friends over with a drumkit, bass, guitars and a whole lot of weed and just spend hours and hours jamming and making up the coolest shit. I still can't read music and don't think I'll ever be able to, but you don't need to write words down to sing or remember them!
so yeah, I guess I'll just have some acid and play some guitar next time I get the chance. Thanks for the help, pants


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5523717 - 04/17/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have been playing guitar for 18 years, started tripping at about the same time; and I have to say that when I am on low doses or coming up or down, I can play. But at the peaks, I cannot play--coherently anyhow--but it is different with each individual, I guess. I did read a quote from Garcia in the '80s, I believe, and he said that he could not trip and play, would rather be chasing butterflies. The early days, of course, were another story. And a lot of Garcia's electric work reflects banjo rolls (picking patterns), but Jerry was a tripped-out folkie. LOL.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: MLBjammer]
    #5525880 - 04/17/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

nonetheless, it would be pretty damned interesting to see the difference between tripping and not tripping whilst playing the guitar. It's something every musician should try (with their respective instrument of choice, of course)


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: indica]
    #5526005 - 04/17/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I started taking lsd afew years after I started playing the guitar.
For me there was no better teacher than LSD.
I play mostly jazz.
I cant play very well at all when peaking, but I learn alot and often have a big grin on my face while I play strange riffs that are alien to me. Ill think, "well where the hell did that come from..oh ya!". Like a massive musical storage area in my brain became accessible.
I have only tried playing while peaking a few times. Lsd and mushrooms were one thing, but on mescaline I cant play a damn thing for quite some time even after the peak.

Most importantly, the maths music is made of are finite, there are only so many notes, and only so many ways you can break up a rhythm.
These maths have become all the more apparent to me due to years of tripping. I find that it has alot to do with the effects of time dilation.
All the potential riffs on the head of a pin. Mental machinery working overtime within every second. The logic music is made of just spills out of my brain when coming down. Always has.


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Re: HELP: Grateful Dead [Re: stemmer]
    #5526074 - 04/17/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

American Beauty is the best album. It makes you so happy when your trippin. The Dead rocks man.


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