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UFC 59 results and comments
    #5519876 - 04/15/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

1 Thiago Alves Derrick Noble TKO (Strikes) 1 2:54
2 Jason Lambert Terry Martin TKO (Strikes) 2 2:37
3 David Terrell Scott Smith Submission (Rear Naked Choke) 1 3:08
4 Karo Parisyan Nick Thompson Submission (Strikes) 1 4:44
5 Jeff Monson Marcio Cruz Decision (Split) 3 5:00
6 Evan Tanner Justin Levens Submision (Triangle Choke) 1 3:14
7 Tito Ortiz Forrest Griffin Decision (Split) 3 5:00
8 Sean Sherk Nick Diaz Decision (Unaminous) 3 5:00
9 Tim Sylvia Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) 1 2:43

Well it was a good card and an even better show especially for the ufc.

Monson and Cruz was an ok fight but was just really awkard due to a big guy without to much experience fighting a much smaller guy with more experience in terms of striking. Tons and tons of bad habbits from pdp but its somewhat expected. I would have liked to have seen more ground work but im not surprised they mainly kept it standing. Im looking forward to both of these guys.

Tanner looked good but i can't say i was impressed at all by levens but i wouldnt mind seeing more of him the future. The triangle had a very slick setup and levens got out but due to some very good leg pressure and posturing he relocked it.

The sherk fight was pretty damn good and i gotta say i am serriosuly impressed with Diaz's takedown defense and delighted at sherk's progression as a striker. I was really surprised sherk could not get Diaz down more with the single leg even with the big leverage disadvantage. Also i was surprised how little Sherk's punches seemed to affect Diaz but they looked to have more snap than power. I cant wait to see Sherk at 155 and hope he doesnt have to cut to much.

The tito fight was great. The first round was really what i like to see and that is effective gnp. I was once again impressed with Forrest but i wonder if his tendency to start late will get him in trouble in later fights if his opponents chooses to bull rush him right away. I really dislike tito's striking. The way he plants his feet and uses the chiken wing defense just looks bad and for some reason it makes me think forrest was scoring when he really isnt. Rampage on the other hand has beautifully mastered the chicken wing defense. I think the takedown and the bows tito threw in the third round really gave him the fight and it was a clear cut 29-28, if anything it was closer to 30-27 or 29-27. I was annoyed at eddie bravos scoring and the fact that he said none of titos gnp landed in the third round even though he opened another cut on forrest's face during their short time on the ground.

Karo continues to impress me and i really looking forward to seeing him the future. The bow that opened the cut was just about perfect and I'm not surprised Thompson tapped soon after.

Finally, wow just wow and the andrei fight. I was one of the people who thought andrei would blow out Tim once again and he was so close. Basically Andrei was over confident and really wanted the KO and nothing else, he overcommited to a right hand after he thought he really hurt Tim, and then once again Andrei's suspect chin was exposed. Mad props to Tim on his victory, but i predict a quick win for Andrei the next time they fight.

Overall it was really a great show and I'm glad i got it.

Only about 2 weeks untill the opening round of the pridefc OWGP. Its gonna be fucking amazing, i cant wait.


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: d33p]
    #5520062 - 04/16/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I expected Arlovski / Sylvia to end as a TKO favoring Arlovski. That last punch must have been a thing of beauty.


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: jcdangerously]
    #5520096 - 04/16/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I expected Arlovski / Sylvia to end as a TKO favoring Arlovski. That last punch must have been a thing of beauty.




I copied that info from sherdog. It wasn't a KO by punch. Tim threw a weak looking straight right as Andrei lunged forward with a hard right he tried to KO Tim with but missed. Andrei's chin just isnt that great so it rocked him pretty good and tim got him on side mount with andrei facing the mat. Tim was punching andrei's head and andrei wasne't defending himself intelligently so the reffed called it. Andrei was lucid and it was a tko. A bit of an early stopage but it wasen't bad by any means.


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: d33p]
    #5520366 - 04/16/06 07:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I expected Arlovski / Sylvia to end as a TKO favoring Arlovski. That last punch must have been a thing of beauty.




I copied that info from sherdog. It wasn't a KO by punch. Tim threw a weak looking straight right as Andrei lunged forward with a hard right he tried to KO Tim with but missed. Andrei's chin just isnt that great so it rocked him pretty good and tim got him on side mount with andrei facing the mat. Tim was punching andrei's head and andrei wasne't defending himself intelligently so the reffed called it. Andrei was lucid and it was a tko. A bit of an early stopage but it wasen't bad by any means.





:lol: Did we watch the same fight? The Pit-bull got spayed, and neutered, on a nice uppercut to his glass jaw thrown by Syliva, that sent him down. Then Tim side mounted him, and pounded him with eight to ten hard shots to the head, till the ref saw Arlovski was going to get hurt if this went on. :stars: 

It all boils down to this Andrei got way to cocky, and thought since he knocked Tim off his feet at the beginning of the fight, he was in  total control. Which as we all saw at the end, he wasn't. :lol:

So all you Tim Syliva hating, Arlovski nut suckers can go cry me a fucking river about this :wink: There is only one thing left to say. 

Whose the champion? 

Tim " The Maniac" Syilva!  :box:


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: MrSinister]
    #5520997 - 04/16/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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:lol: Did we watch the same fight? The Pit-bull got spayed, and neutered, on a nice uppercut to his glass jaw thrown by Syliva, that sent him down. Then Tim side mounted him, and pounded him with eight to ten hard shots to the head, till the ref saw Arlovski was going to get hurt if this went on. :stars: 





Apparently we didn't watch the same fight. Apparently all you did was let Joe Rogan fill your mind with crap. The punch was not an uppercut, it was a right straight fired from a low position.





And Andrei was lucid on the ground he was just rocked enough to not intelligently defend himself. Herb Dean was looking at his face and saw that he was lucid which is why he did not call the fight sooner. And of course AA lost because he was cocky. The first right almost finished Tim off so what does AA try when he gets back up, the same right but thrown much harder and with much more commitment but he threw it from a foot further back than when he connected the first time. Big mistake and Tim capitalized on AA's weak chin. end of story

And you think I'm a big AA fan? Ha, it dont matter fuck all who is the UFC HW champion because in the end fedor > all

I don't suppose you also believed eddie bravo when he said tito didnt land any bows on the ground in round three? Where do you think the third cut on forrest's face came from? The cut fairy?


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: d33p]
    #5521101 - 04/16/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Now now don't be a testy loser. :lol: 

Nice pictures by the way. Shows Tim getting knocked on his ass, which i totlay agree with.  But the second one seems to prove how hard the punch Syliva landed was.  :foreheadslap: Wow you defended your lucky punch theory so  well.. :lol:

Forrest Vs Tito? Don't think i brought that up, or even gave a shit who beat who in that fight. So why mention it?

And i have to agree Fedor from Pride could beat either of them.  But seeing Fedor will not be fighting either of them, because he is in Pride and both of them are UFC, to throw him in again makes no sense other then to make yourself look better about your bias comments. :shrug: I never claimed either of those two were the best Heavy weight fighter in the world. Fedor by far is better then both of them.

But I really do think your kind of full of yourself, and you sound like a bit of a know it all, but hey more power. 

Tim Syilva still won, like i said he would for three weeks. If the Pit-bull had won i have gotten on here and said i was wrong. But Tim beat the cocky fuck, cues the pit-bull has a glass jaw.  Oh well i am done with this. Believe what ever it is in your little heart to believe :lol:

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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: MrSinister]
    #5521442 - 04/16/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Now now don't be a testy loser. :lol:

Wtf did i lose? I am clearly winning this pos argument.

Nice pictures by the way. Shows Tim getting knocked on his ass, which i totlay agree with.  But the second one seems to prove how hard the punch Syliva landed was.  :foreheadslap: Wow you defended your lucky punch theory so  well.. :lol:

When did i say the punch was lucky. It was a fucking counter punch, it couldn't be a lucky punch. You seem to have an amazing ability to see shit that isn't there like uppercuts and a lucky punch theory. And if you think the punch Tim knocked andrei down with was hard you don't watch a lot of fighting. He didn't use his hips, it was just an arm punch and it wasn't that hard.

Forrest Vs Tito? Don't think i brought that up, or even gave a shit who beat who in that fight. So why mention it?

Because Rogan said the punch that Tim caught AA with was an uppercut. Either both you have retarded vision or you blindly believed him. If you blindly believed Rogan i thought you would also blindly believe eddie about the tito fight.

And i have to agree Fedor from Pride could beat either of them.  But seeing Fedor will not be fighting either of them, because he is in Pride and both of them are UFC, to throw him in again makes no sense other then to make yourself look better about your bias comments. :shrug: I never claimed either of those two were the best Heavy weight fighter in the world. Fedor by far is better then both of them.

That first sentence doesn't even make sense. You trump up Sylvia's win and that he is the champion of a pathetic HW division so i provided some perspective by mentioning fedor. Nothing more nothing less. Stop looking for stuff that isn't there.

But I really do think your kind of full of yourself, and you sound like a bit of a know it all, but hey more power. 

You begin by quoting my post and opening with a mildly inflammatory remark about if i watched the same fight. Then you say something happened which did not(uppercut) and finally start talking about AA nuthuggers which you seemed to think i was. If you try and pull bullshit like this i will argue aggressively. I really do think you're kind of a sherdog dumbass, and you sound like you are looking for a fight, but hey more power.

Believe what ever it is in your little heart to believe :lol:

You have yet to establish exactly what it is you claim i believe




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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: d33p]
    #5521872 - 04/16/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:epenis:

Who really gives a fuck? The point is Tim Sylvia was the underdog and he fucking rocked Arlovski. A win is a win despite how it "looked" to you. :shrug:


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #5521998 - 04/16/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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:epenis:

Who really gives a fuck? The point is Tim Sylvia was the underdog and he fucking rocked Arlovski. A win is a win despite how it "looked" to you. :shrug:




You morons are fucking nuts. Reread my first post, particularly where i talk about the AA - sylvia fight.


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: d33p]
    #5522806 - 04/16/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

arlovski dropped his face into it.

it wasn't an uppercut; watch sylvia's arm, straight out... just looks like an uppercut on a shorter guy on his way down.

He overcommitted and before he could regain the balance lost on his right foot, he got tagged.

As for the above mentioned comment about Griffin letting go of the first round, I'd agree 100%. It's becoming predictable... once his opponents start taking that repeatable mistake and exploiting it, he'll start to change, but probably not before.


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: blink]
    #5523054 - 04/16/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i thought the undercard fights were pretty weak. the best one was karo parysian's victory. ortiz v griffin was fucking amazing, it made the ppv worth all $40. i think griffin got ROBBEd, after the first round he was dominant. even the 3rd round takedown tito wasnt in any control he didnt land anything worthwhile and griffin was actually hitting tito in the face while in guard. the hometown crowd booed his ass, they knew griffin got robbed. if u saw it i think tito even thought he lost afterwards. the fight really needed a 4th round... maybe that would have solved it. i cant wait for a rematch. sylvia vs andrei was a sweet fight.... sylvia got lucky, it was clear andrei is a much better fighter...he just got cocky and fucked up. hopefully this doesnt fuck with andrei's head and he doesnt make losing a habit. i see sylvia just getting owned in a rematch.

one thing is they need to get some decent fights lined up for UFC 60. i really could care fucking less about hughes vs gracie. i really think hughes is just going to steamroll an older guy who is clearly passed his prime. plus gracie is a personality i just dont care about. hughes is charasmatic and explosive enough that im intersted in seeing him fight, just not some washed up old guy. id much rather see hughes going toe to toe with that badass french canuck St. Pierre


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #5523317 - 04/17/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm excited to see Royce get into the cage with Hughes. He's got much more experience despite the fact that he is undoubtedly past his prime. Don't ever underestimate anybody is a rule to live by.. It should be interesting to say the least.


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #5523608 - 04/17/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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i thought the undercard fights were pretty weak. the best one was karo parysian's victory. ortiz v griffin was fucking amazing, it made the ppv worth all $40. i think griffin got ROBBEd, after the first round he was dominant. even the 3rd round takedown tito wasnt in any control he didnt land anything worthwhile and griffin was actually hitting tito in the face while in guard. the hometown crowd booed his ass, they knew griffin got robbed. if u saw it i think tito even thought he lost afterwards. the fight really needed a 4th round... maybe that would have solved it. i cant wait for a rematch. sylvia vs andrei was a sweet fight.... sylvia got lucky, it was clear andrei is a much better fighter...he just got cocky and fucked up. hopefully this doesnt fuck with andrei's head and he doesnt make losing a habit. i see sylvia just getting owned in a rematch.

one thing is they need to get some decent fights lined up for UFC 60. i really could care fucking less about hughes vs gracie. i really think hughes is just going to steamroll an older guy who is clearly passed his prime. plus gracie is a personality i just dont care about. hughes is charasmatic and explosive enough that im intersted in seeing him fight, just not some washed up old guy. id much rather see hughes going toe to toe with that badass french canuck St. Pierre





I wouldn't count Royce out of this fight just yet. Matt Hughes is one of my favorite fighters in UFC. Stand up wise he is going to beat Royce every time, but it's what happens if this goes to the ground. You are talking about a man who is one of the best on the ground, at throwing and defending submissions. Hughes could very well end up getting put into a submission, as him knocking Royce out.  Do i think Royce will beat him? Not really, because Matt Hughes is the best at his weight, and i think it's going to turn out like Tito Vs Shamrock. The younger, and more aggressive fighter is going to beat the old veteran.

But you never know what will happen, as lucky punches sometimes happen..:lol: I learned before never count out A mans knowledge, and experience. Royce sees an opening he could very well be walking out a champion that night..

I have a final comment about the andrei VS Tim fight.. If Syilva's punch was so weak, and it sent the Pit-bull down, what does that say for andrei? It says he was over hyped, and his last opponents didn't test him. The man has a glass jaw, and when he got tested by somebody ready to throw with him, he got beat. But the good thing is we can all agree to disagree, and move on to the next fights.  :thumbup:


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: MrSinister]
    #5524536 - 04/17/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If Syilva's punch was so weak, and it sent the Pit-bull down, what does that say for andrei? It says he was over hyped, and his last opponents didn't test him. The man has a glass jaw, and when he got tested by somebody ready to throw with him, he got beat. But the good thing is we can all agree to disagree, and move on to the next fights.  :thumbup:




It wasn't a weak punch, he fell ONTO it.  His head went from moving down and towards sylvia to up and away.  If he had caught his footing enough that he was stablized, that punch wouldn't have done nearly as much damage, let alone make him drop.

TKO != "Glass Jaw"

As for Tito's win, it was a split decision... the worst way to win.  According to the way points are handed out, Tito's last successful takedown gave him an edge *in points*, despite the fact Forrest was clearly more aggressive.

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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: blink]
    #5525781 - 04/17/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If Syilva's punch was so weak, and it sent the Pit-bull down, what does that say for andrei? It says he was over hyped, and his last opponents didn't test him. The man has a glass jaw, and when he got tested by somebody ready to throw with him, he got beat. But the good thing is we can all agree to disagree, and move on to the next fights.  :thumbup:




It wasn't a weak punch, he fell ONTO it.  His head went from moving down and towards sylvia to up and away.  If he had caught his footing enough that he was stablized, that punch wouldn't have done nearly as much damage, let alone make him drop.

TKO != "Glass Jaw"

As for Tito's win, it was a split decision... the worst way to win.  According to the way points are handed out, Tito's last successful takedown gave him an edge *in points*, despite the fact Forrest was clearly more aggressive.

Forrest got robbed.




It was not a powerful punch, AA's movement does not determine the strength of the punch. AA was moving into it but not too much, his momentum already began shifting back as he was trying to regain his footing after throwing the huge right when he got hit. AA just does not have a good chin(not really glass though), but he can take shots to his cranium much better. Most people always thought he had a suspect chin and this proves it.

And Tito very clearly won that fight. Anyone who believes otherwise is really being delusional. First of all a very strong case can be made for the first round being a 10-8. Read the athletic commissions stipulations for awarding 10-9, 10-8, and 10-7 rounds for mma. But it really came down to that third round in which standing striking was very close. Forrest threw more but landed a lot less. Tito's chicken wing defense was very effective. Tito took forrest down and cut him with bows for a third time. Yes, i know forrest cuts fairly easily but all of you people saying Tito was not hitting him are blind. And Judges do not count weak peppering strikes much if at all. They do score points when used to set up other things like a big strike, escape, sub etc. It appears as if they helped Forrest escape to his feet so in that respect they gave him some points but this and his aggression were nothing to outweigh tito's takedown and bows. Tito clearly won the third round.

Tito was the one who got robbed. That should not have been a split decision.


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: d33p]
    #5528440 - 04/18/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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    #5528463 - 04/18/06 07:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Check out this video comparing UFCHWC v PFHWC...

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    #5528487 - 04/18/06 07:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that pride fight was an awesome one - no doubt


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: RateLimitEnzyme]
    #5530081 - 04/18/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Check out this video comparing UFCHWC v PFHWC...

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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: d33p]
    #5530151 - 04/18/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What PPV was that Fedor fight on?


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #5530421 - 04/18/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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What PPV was that Fedor fight on?




Final Conflict 2005 which was in August, i forget the number of the event.

Watching that clip just sent me on a mas dash to try and get that fight since it was so good and i haven't seen it since last August.

All i could find so far was a 4gb torrent of the entire event's dvd going at about 5kb. ONLY 15 DAYS LEFT. HORRAY

wait, wait. thank you google video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-234887588630418587&q=fedor&pl=true


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Re: UFC 59 results and comments [Re: d33p]
    #5530429 - 04/18/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the link man! :cheers:

I thought it was recent. Is there any recent (within the last few months) Emilianko fights? (Fedor or Aleksander)


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    #5530467 - 04/18/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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mattzdope said:
Thanks for the link man! :cheers:

I thought it was recent. Is there any recent (within the last few months) Emilianko fights? (Fedor or Aleksander)




Fedor broke his hand hitting people so hard so his only fight since crocop was against Zulu which was a freakshow fight at NYE. It was 26 seconds. He just had surgury so he won't be in OWGP. There are rumors that he will get a 1st round bye to let him heal but most likely he will fight someone in august and then fight the winner of the OWGP on NYE.

zulu fight
[url=
&q=fedor+zulu&pl=true]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3161492157431307356&q=fedor+zulu&pl=true[/url]

Aleks also faught Nastula on NYE who was a polish judo gold medalist. Aleks had yet to tested much on the ground so he IMO chooses to end this fight by sub. Even tho Natsula is an mma noob he is no can and did very well against Rodrigo Nogueira until he gassed.

[url=
com/watch?v=sIUGbqMD-nE&search=nastula[/url]

Aleks also recently fought Rene Rooze who is a famous and good kickboxer. Good quick one. It doesn't look like much but Rooze was out cold for 10 mins. This was last october.

[url=
&q=emelianenko&pl=true]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7115881403985368480&q=emelianenko&pl=true[/url]

Aleks will fighting Josh Barnett, the former UFC HW champ on cinco de mayo in the OWGP which should be a damn good fight.

WAR aleks


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