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SmokenBabyJesus
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Bioresonance
#5518728 - 04/15/06 11:33 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I posted this in the Mush Cultivation forum but thought maybe the advanced section would be better here is the link anyway I thinking about the tiny vibrations created living organism and how reproducing vibrations(EMF) of a heathy organism can create healthy states in sick organisms. and I'm wondering if this could be applied to mushrooms/mycelium or even if this could be used to stop mold.
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DocPsilocybin
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Ugh, all this hype about bioresonance, biolumenesence, etc is ridiculous. Everything is created from atoms which vibrate and produce a certain amount of EM (photon emission) as excited electrons jump between discrete energy levels. Mimicking the EM radiation of a 'healthy' organism does not mean your unhealthy specimen is going to become healthy.
Try it all you want and I strongly suggest you do if you feel passionate about this. But I really lack faith in this stuff. I've seen a lot of media hype on it and as far as I'm concerned it's bollocks.
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Hell, high EMF can be recorded emanating from lightfixtures, lol.
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Re: Bioresonance [Re: FungusMan]
#5522503 - 04/16/06 08:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe we should direct some healthy light fixture EMF at a burnt out light bulb to heal it?
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SmokenBabyJesus
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I know you can't always believe the hype of things. but....... I think there is a little more to it then hype. have you seen those audio Cd's that have nice soothing sounds on them but along with those sounds there are oscillating sound waves that produce different mental states. there is even a program call brain wave studio where you create your own. now I'm pretty sure you all know that the brain functions in different states, Alpha, delta, theta..... anyway its just energy affect other energy. if you want to write it off as being hype I think your just being close minded, I mean EM fields Play a large role on the weather and all sorts of things. I'm just trying to purpose ideas to further the study of mushrooms and other things.... So... What can you do? believe it or not... its OK.. but I believe there is so much more to reality then we know, and all we can do is poke it with a stick.
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Tell me the role they play in weather?
We have receptors for sound waves and they change our moods by creating an action potential cascade in the brain through neural stimuation. It's not an accurate comparison to say that because sounds change our moods then EMF should affect mushroom growth. If you're deaf a soothing song wont sooth you.
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SmokenBabyJesus
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"I mean EM fields play a large role on weather" I meant "IN" by that I mean that the weather is constantly Affecting EM Fields, the movement of water and air affect the EM fields. also the moon affects EM fields... "Lunar phases and plant growth are correlated for plants in the wilderness, as well as in the laboratory. In fact, two different lunar cycles affect all plant growth." HERE Now I'm just Wondering whether or not Sound or EMF could be used to enhance growth.
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SmokenBabyJesus
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And how do you know that Def people aren't affected by songs. I remember seeing a show on a def person and I remember them saying that they go to concerts and stand near the speakers and just fell the vibrations. thats like saying if someone couldn't taste what there eating it means there not eating it. just because a def person can't take that vibrating energy and condense it in to thought doesn't mean its not being perceived.
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SmokenBabyJesus said: I posted this in the Mush Cultivation forum but thought maybe the advanced section would be better here is the link
dude please, no cross-posting. give it a week in one forum before prodding it with a stick.
how about you propose the detail of an experiment to test your theory. if it's not testable, you're better off with this in the more esoteric forums. if it is testable, i suppose you could (at a long reach) call it advanced mycology - then if you test it and nothing, we'll be back in the realm of bollocks again.
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johnuk
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I recently started beekeeping, which has a kind of ironic feel to it standing in a sunny field in a super-upper-class part of town (you need at least two ponies not to be poor) with my veil etc on while simultaneously wondering how I might be able to apply some new botanical skills to producing cannabis / salvia / mesacline / shroomies.
But... I leant something interesting, that bees seem to be able to sense power lines. Hives directly under power lines get angry and start stinging everyone. Even hives too close to electric fences do something similar. So it seems the bees are able to sense the magnetic field around the current.
However, bees might also be using magnetics fields somewhere in their nervous system to help with navigation. Whereas I can see no real reason why a mushroom would have such a sensory depth. To just say EM Resonance is open to an incredibly broad spectrum (tee-hee-hee), for instance the mushrooms do respond to visible light to some extent, so they could be said to be sensitive to that. EM of course means electromagnetic, which means light basically, not the magnetic fields you get off a coil, which I think is what you may mean.
If you mean a magnetic field, that could either be interacting with magnetically polarised molecules, ~> magnetic elements within the plant (like iron), or magnetically polarised spin states at a subatomic level. From my basic grasp of all of this, you need quite a definite and intense magnetic field to do this. Water, for example, is slightly magnetic, but you only start seeing this occuring when you're using huge magnetic fields (you can float organic life, like frogs, by utilising the effect but you also need a big, big, big magnet, usually a superconducting magnet the sucks up more juice than you ever want to see on your electricity bill). Liquid oxygen is also slightly magnetic. Again, you need a big magnet.
And there's no reason to say that doing this will help these components operate either; people used to think drinking radioactive water would pass the super strength of the special atomic bomb fuel on to you and they actually built and sold special radioactive containers lined with radon that you could use to make your own radioactive water with at home, more realistically it would just give you radiation poisoning (they were like the colloidal silver things you can buy now, but at least silver, as far as I know, doesn't make you glow at night if you eat it).
Radon juice, for that just cooked from the inside out feeling
Playing music / vibrations to plants might help growth in the same way that a fan can help, in that the vibrations cause the cell membranes to constantly stretch and relax, increasing stem strength. Mushrooms already grow with quite thick, plumped up cells anyway due to the high osmotic pressure they can achieve with so much water and humidity around them (mushrooms have a huge quantity of water in them which is why they 'grow' so quickly, the growth is largely packaged water), so it's probably more helpful to plants than shrooms.
I think you'd get much bigger improvements just tweaking temperatures / humidities etc. Thermal energy causes atoms to vibrate. At absolute zero the atoms stand still. As temperature increases, so does the vibrational deflection from the atom's 'fixed point' in space (solid phase). When the deflection becomes high enough, when the temperature is high enough, the vibration breaks the atom free and the material becomes a liquid. Something similar happens at the liquid / gas phase change.
So in effect, you're 'vibrationally resonanting' your mushrooms by keeping the temperature right.
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Re: Bioresonance [Re: johnuk]
#5530403 - 04/18/06 05:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well sound is a bad example because it's mechanical stimulation.
A better example would be magnetic fields. Anyway, I'm tired of arguing my point. I may not believe it will work and you really don't have to take my advice. You can give me all the examples you want but until you show me some solid proof I'm not going to believe it.
In reply to JohnUK:
I don't see how vibrations cause stem elongation? Remember plants have a cell wall. Also stem elongation happens through division and directional cell expansion. Directional expansion is accomplished through cellulose microfibrils that orient in a specific plane and then an enzyme breaks the cross links between them so that directional cell expansion can take place. For this to take place you also need certain triggers to be activated that tell the plant to activate the proton pump so the cell takes in more water.
Anyway, maybe music does help. But if it does it's a lot more complex than 'vibrating the membrane'.
Just a second point, all cells contain a large ammount of water. Mushrooms don't grow fast because of this. They grow fast because most of their mass (mycelium) is located underground and when triggered this mass of hyphae creates a mushroom through cytoplasmic streaming.
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I didn't really mean vertical growth but stem strength. If you have a fan set up next to any kind of indoor / hydroponic plant it's supposed to help improve the strength of the stem by constantly bending it back and forth a bit, the stem grows thicker to accomodate. It's a stand-in for the wind that the plant would be exposed to outside. I heard this in relation to growing cannabis, because the buds get heavy enough to bend the stems over and end up needing to be supported by some kind of Crystal Maze challengesque looking arrangement of strings. A fan or just a super loud speaker, they both move air. A gigantic vibrator would achieve the same effect.
Also, if you dry something like a mushroom out you end up with substantially less mass than you would if you were to dry out many plants. I've never seen any plant that has kept up with a tray of mushrooms in terms of the water they take up, yet plants transpire loads of the stuff (about 99% of the water they take up from memory). Although, the stored potential is also a major help. Potatoes are similar. They start off as quite lame looking plants and then suddenly rocket into growth and you end up with big thick stems a meter long and covered in leaves and flowers in no time. Be interesting to know if Mexicana / Tampanesis / Atlantis exhibit this kind of explosive growth once their sclerotia have formed and they're allowed to pin.
Just trying to give the original poster a bit of a break and thought! I can't stand threads that just swing to one polarity and never leave it. Although, as you can probably guess, I also doubt it's very effective.
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Re: Bioresonance [Re: johnuk]
#5530546 - 04/18/06 06:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yup, by constantly fanning a plant you're artificially stimulating thigmomorphogenesis. This is a hormonal response to mechanical stimulus which changes the plants developmental pattern.
Nah no worries. Imput is always good.
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How does anything other than we discriminating humans (ie. electric currents) know the difference between good life and bad life. I don't think a wave is going to discriminate between the fungus you want to keep alive and the fungus you want dead. Just a thought.
And this would get better responses somewhere else. I don't really understand why it hasn't been moved.
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Re: Bioresonance [Re: mycogirl]
#5540277 - 04/21/06 08:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well maybe we can't tell the difference between "Good and Bad" but healty and unhealthy is no contest... a leper is unhealthy..... anyway the whole bioresonace thing was based off of previous expierments done at labs. they took the vibrations given off but an organism that was in a healthy state (healthy by human standards) and recorded them. now when that organism was unhealthy playing back the "GOOD vibrations" helped it returned to a healthy state faster than the control. http://vitahealth.co.uk/bioresonance.asp
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Edited by SmokenBabyJesus (04/21/06 08:11 AM)
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