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 LeroyBr103
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 Crash, Life After Death 
#551862 - 02/14/02 09:14 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys, im a new member to this forum although ive been reading stuff people post for a while.
Tonight a guy I was supposed to graduate high school with died, just drivin down the road, suddenly hit a tree. I used to talk to him alot at school, see him a couple times a month at parties, he was a really cool, laid back dude.
I just wanted to tell everyone to enjoy everything, even though its so cliche. Also, i was just wondering about peoples beliefs in what happens after we die.
My personal belief is that there is no way eternal damnation awaits anyone, but im not sure about anything else. Please feel free to share.
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: LeroyBr103]
#551875 - 02/14/02 09:26 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your conciousness will no longer exist as it did in the living. As for having a spirit or soul. Nah don't think so.
Oh and of course eternal damnation doesn't await you. You are already in hell.
Good day to ya.
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: LeroyBr103]
#551898 - 02/14/02 09:42 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Their is no reason to believe in an after-life except as a story to combat the death-fear.
Where does the fire go when the candle is blown out?
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: Swami]
#552079 - 02/15/02 12:38 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be altered from its original form. Matter can be converted to energy and energy can be converted to matter but you can never destroy either.
Where does the fire go when the candle is blown out?
It goes back to the etheral of course, awaiting the next call for its appearance
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: ]
#552194 - 02/15/02 03:50 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Matter can be converted to energy and energy can be converted to matter but you can never destroy either.
The individual atoms remain, but an assemblage can certainly be deconstructed. Burn down a house and that house is gone forever. A human body is no different.
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: ]
#552195 - 02/15/02 03:52 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well my last trip was the craziest thing i could ever imagine. I was driving back from snowboarding in the mountains, and I was totally convinced that the car had crashed and we were all dead. The friends i was with didn't really know much about psychedelics, and they didn't know how hard i was tripping, so basically they were fucking with me big time without even realizing it. I could still feel the horrible pain of my body being crushed, my teeth all jammed up into my skull, etc., but for some reason that made sense, even though I was supposed to be dead without a body. Anyways, what i think happened is that my soul was truly convinced that I was dead, and so I think I really experienced some of the main aspects of what your soul experiences right after you die. And what happens is that you realize you are not "dead". You are still there, and you instantly realize that deep inside, you knew this all along. By the way, before this experience I was nearly 100% sure that when you die, that is it. No more anything. Now, I know you could just say that I was just tripping therefore it doesn't count, but no you're wrong. YOu were not there, I was. I have had stuff before when I thought I was dying or that I just died, but this was different. I know the difference between deceitful shit such as when I see naked chicks on the wall, or even more profound things that seem like they must be true at the time you're tripping. But this was fucking real. The most real experience I have ever had, or ever will have. A trip does not get any crazier than this, it's simply impossible. There are so many more little things about the trip that you wouldn't believe, if I explained everything then it would make more sense to you; I think I might have to write a trip report. It'll go straight to #1, I guarantee you. Anyways, the point is that there is definitely a soul, no ifs ands and dicks aabout it people. I have way beyond proof of that (unfortunately only for myself). The word "proof" doesn't even begin to fucking describe it.
Oh yeah, an d something interesting I realized just the other day is that my dad found these tapes of my mom's (my mom died in september), and I think they're called "talking to heaven" or something, but this woman relays messages from the dead people to their mom, or sister or whatever, kind of like that guy on the sci-fi channel I guess. But she seems to know all this stuff she couldn't possibly know, that only they would know. I didn't really listen to very much of it, in fact I normally don't believe in this kind of shit at all. But the thing is is that with this one teenager who committed suicide, she is seeing how it happened, apparently his soul is showing it to her, and what he was experiencing right after he realized he was dead sounds exactly like what I experienced. Oh yes, I didn't explain this, I basically felt like i had committed suicide because I figured they would find out I was on mushrooms, and my friend was driving my car back so I could do the shrooms (by the way it was probably about 3.5-4 grams of ps.cyanescens), so I was realizing how stupid I looked and I felt so fucking horrible about what i had done.
Oh, and I also think my mom may have played a part in giving me that trip, perhaps to show me that she is still around, and also for lots of other reasons I can't really go into explaining. I've also noticed how she seems to be helping me a lot lately. My life is finally coming together, because I'm developing very rapidly on a "spiritual" level now thanks to yoga, meditation, and a wonderful book called "The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment". Thanks to my mom for leaving all those books of hers for me to find around the house. Oh yes, and the last book I mentioned helped me to remember a lot of what I learned from the trip, and helped me to understand it better. So that's my opinion on this matter. ANd try to keep in mind that it's more than just some stupid opinion. And I'm very sorry about your friend. This shit sucks when people die so unexpectedly. Quite a fucking shock really. But trust me, he has not been zapped from existence. He's in a much better place, wherever and whatever it is. well shit I hope this isn't too long guys.
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: Typingwords]
#552208 - 02/15/02 04:15 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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OH yes, another thing that might go to show you how real this was: In the car, I was getting very frustrated trying to figure out why I couldn't get into" heaven" or whatever, because it seemed like we'd just be stuck in the car for all eternity, so I eventually came to the conclusion that I was resisting my death and unwilling to fully accept it, so I thought I had to end it all the way by "killing myself again". So I started bashing my head as hard as I could against the door, but nothing happened. I later discovered to my amazement that i had no injury, or any pain at all. I also seriously considered jumping out of the car numerous times. What was happening is that in my mind, as I would start to accept that I was dead and I would say "okay I"m ready to go to heaven now", then the pain I was feeling would increase and I would feel my body breaking down, and my consciousness would almost fade completely, but it never worked all the way (because I wasn't really dead, so I couldn't go anywhere else, but my soul kept trying). OH yeah, and later on I tried to rape my friend, I threw her down on the ground and grabbed her shirt, but she didn't know what I was trying to do. Because in this later stage I thought I was in my own heaven, and I was getting to choose what it would be. I was getting very frustrated because my heaven wasn't working. What was happening is that I kept thinking people were giving me signs, I thought she was asking me to have sex with her. (YOu know how shit seems to take on extra significance when you're tripping) I know this all might make me sound like a fucked up piece of shit, but I don't expect anyone to understand. There is lots more crazy shit I did, because I totally thought I was in my own reality that I created for myself, just like a dream. Thank god I didn't actually try to hurt anyone! but I don't think i would never find a reason to try and hurt someone in my dreams, or my heaven, or in real life.
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: Swami]
#552338 - 02/15/02 09:21 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Astral projection is good evidence of a life after death. It shows that conciousness can exist seperate from the body, so there is no reason for this not to be the case when you die.
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: ]
#552353 - 02/15/02 09:39 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha, swami your right about the fact that it combats the fear of death, i think that is why i like shroomism's explination so much more. But science i dont think can explain a lot of things, have you ever read any books on people recounting past lives? what do you think about those? im not saying i belive it, but im just curious
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: Typingwords]
#552371 - 02/15/02 10:02 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Man, that tripping story was pretty amazing, your soul thinking you were dead, that is such wild stuff. Even though i havent experienced it, i belive it.
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: Revelation]
#552413 - 02/15/02 10:42 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Astral projection is good evidence of a life after death. It shows that conciousness can exist seperate from the body, so there is no reason for this not to be the case when you die.
Agreed, if there were evidence of astral projection. But seeing as how no one has been able to astral travel to my house to view and claim my power object, it seems as if we are back to square one.
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: LeroyBr103]
#552426 - 02/15/02 10:49 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have read many hundreds of books on all things "paranormal". Most jump to erroneous conclusions with little or scant evidence. For example: a child prodigy who plays perfect Chopin at age 5 is said to be evidence that he was an accomplished pianist in a previous life. Maybe, maybe not. There is no way to link the to except in the mind of the author.
OTOH, read my first post on Strange Personal Tales on page five about my seeming encounter with the past.
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: Swami]
#552609 - 02/15/02 01:16 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your post about the St Vitus Dance thing made me shiver, pretty spooky stuff. How do you explain it?
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Re: Crash, Life After Death [Re: Swami]
#552713 - 02/15/02 02:30 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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The individual atoms remain, but an assemblage can certainly be deconstructed. Burn down a house and that house is gone forever. A human body is no different.
Burn down a house and the fire changes the wood into airborne chemicals... it still exists.
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