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Re: 'You are God' [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5538822 - 04/20/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You get confused because people like you are usually looking for an idea of god that they can use in discourse rather than in every aspect of your being. God is waiting for you to discover what ever manifestation you choose to perceive god as, whether it be allah, christ, or krishna. Get on with it. If you are sincere in your questioning you will find what you're looking for.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5538865 - 04/20/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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You are referring to your individuality, your ego. The 'I' which is God, is the Transpersonal Ground of Being from which our individual being derives, moment-to-moment.

Each individual wave comes into being, endures in time, and goes out of being. Each wave derives from the Ocean - is one with the Ocean. We are each waves, and we can identify with the specifics of our individual 'wavehood,' or we can endeavor to identify with the Ocean in which we "live and move and have our being." In one sense, our experience is God's experience even though God's experience is not our experience.




This is an area where I often start to disagree with you markos. Perhaps I am making the mistake of reading to deeply into your posts, in which case please enlighten me to this blunder!

Through my perception you often paint an image of god that is impersonal and remotely participating in existence. Genesis 9:6 says "For in the image of God made He man". IMO people often mistake this passage to mean that god is human in form, obviously this is caused by our identifying with our physical vessel rather than what really makes us human, spirit. When god created this world by taking on the role of the creator 'he' took on a personal form. If god is everything, then we see that he must be just as immpersonal as he is personal, present as much as he is absent.

It is often said that the greatest gift man can give to god, is his/her love. God wishes for this act to be spontaneous, hence our free will. God wants us to know god, but wishes that we go through this process on our own accord.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5538871 - 04/20/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Each individual wave comes into being, endures in time, and goes out of being. Each wave derives from the Ocean - is one with the Ocean. We are each waves, and we can identify with the specifics of our individual 'wavehood,' or we can endeavor to identify with the Ocean in which we "live and move and have our being." In one sense, our experience is God's experience even though God's experience is not our experience.





This also confuses me a little in relation to previous posts you made in which you've stated that you believe that depending upon where one is at on the spiritual path at the time of his/her death determines what will happen to him/her in his/her afterlife.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: phishphish2]
    #5538879 - 04/20/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I hear/read this statement all the time on this forum..but what exactly does it mean? How could I be God? God has been described as 'all-knowing' and 'perfect.' I am certainly none of those! I am interested....




As Markos says, when you identify with your ego, the impression that you are extremely limited and an individual is certainly prominent. However, that does not necessarily make the impression True.

Your entire being arises as a part of Everything. No part of you is separate or individual. Any such impressions are illusionary.

Identify yourself with Reality and you will see the answer to your questions very clearly.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: dblaney]
    #5538922 - 04/20/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I hear/read this statement all the time on this forum..but what exactly does it mean? How could I be God? God has been described as 'all-knowing' and 'perfect.' I am certainly none of those! I am interested....




As Markos says, when you identify with your ego, the impression that you are extremely limited and an individual is certainly prominent. However, that does not necessarily make the impression True.

Your entire being arises as a part of Everything. No part of you is separate or individual. Any such impressions are illusionary.

Identify yourself with Reality and you will see the answer to your questions very clearly.




Assuming that by ego you mean "your consciousness of your own identity"

If god is equally present in everything, then isn't the ego just as much a part of god as non-ego? In which case how can we ever know god completely if we exclude certain parts of god? Spiritual development is a process of changing what you identify as yourself, in spiritually un-developed people the self is identified with the flesh in blood, in spiritually developed people the self is identified with god. This process goes on and on until one is god and god is one!

If we continue to believe that our sense of self exists soley in the material world then we certainly are limited by the material world. If we believe that our sense of self is god, then we are only limited by god.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: Cherk]
    #5539000 - 04/20/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

While God is immanent and is ever-present, He is not literally defined and confined by everything that is in form. While ever-present, He is distinct. More panentheistic than pantheistic.

Our ego is our sense of self. In the God reality there is no sense of self, there is only God, as our egos do not survive physical death.

God is indeed Love. Eternal life isn't a physical paradise-heaven, but rather an Eternal moment in the Pleroma. The Children of God do not exist in the "afterlife" individually, rather we become a single consciousness in the Fullness of God. We in effect become God at death, as only God remains outside the fold of time-space-physics.

Perhaps at times your heart became so welled up with God's love/compassion that you were physically brought to tears. The feeling is ecstatic and at times crippling. The eternal moment that is our provision is essentially this as a metaphysical experience. It remains at full intensity in an eternal moment. There is no need for ego or sense of self when all that is needed to enjoy this ecstastic union is simple Awareness/Consciousness. In eternity we have no hands, feet, or eyes (or even the ability to think). We are simply pure Awareness, blissfully Aware of our Beloved Origin and Ground of Awareness.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: Basilides]
    #5539045 - 04/20/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Beautiful post.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: Basilides]
    #5539049 - 04/20/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

By the definiton of god, god cannot be simply a part in the pleroma. God is everything, he/she/it is omnipotent, omniscient. God is the limitation that makes unlimitation possible, and the unlimitation that makes limitation possible. Much of what happens after death is revealed in "Autobiography of a Yogi" as well partially in the Bhagavad Gita (in which is states that one returns to the god that one worships) This topic has very little potential to exist outside of speculation and heated argument on these boards as only the gurus and saints can enlighten us as to what actually happens.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: dorkus]
    #5539063 - 04/20/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:heart:


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: Basilides]
    #5539095 - 04/20/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

For us to be aware/conscious of nothing, we must be aware/conscious of everything. Maya is as real as god, yet it is a fleeting reality while god is eternal. Spirituality is the process of becoming aware of this and starting to identify our selves with the eternal, rather than maya.

the student asks
Q: What is god's form?
A: God is formless.
persistantly, the student asks again
Q: So what is god's form?
A: The form of forlmessness.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: Cherk]
    #5539117 - 04/20/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The Pleroma is the Fullness of God's ideas, intensity, and ideal glory. It is also Unlimited, in that each spark that returns to the Fullness of God increases the Glory of God. It is merely a linguistic description of the mounting ecstasy that is constantly snowballing as the "Eye of Humanity" continues to increase, as does God's own understanding of Himself. We complete God, while God completes us. In Oneness, as One Divine Being in Ecstasy, this is the Fullness of God - if we were to experience this individually and physically, one wouldn't shed tears of joy; we might literally have a massive heart attack as only the billions of individuals that become a singular, massive consciousness can fully experience the Fullness of God. That is how ecstatic the much talked about "eternal life" is for God's family. In a metaphysical sense, God is constantly increasing in ecstasy. It is the final housing of the broken vessels that return home to their Divine Origin. It is intense. It is compassion and love burning like a furnace. Add a single soul-spark-spirit to the mix, the intensity of the God's Glory immediately increases, if only to keep up with "us".


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: phishphish2]
    #5540002 - 04/21/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Very good posts, indeed.
That lets me follow some analogy. If we can regard ourselves dualistic, on the one hand full of ego and self-purpose and on the other hand melting with g*d's one- and all-ness, and g*d made us from his image, why couldn't we see g*d as dualistic himself ? If he uses his ego, he becomes self-aware and justifying like in the OT. If he becomes one with his creation, he becomes the all compassionate omni-present and loving g*d, fruiting life into its/her/his creation (standard definition).
I think, that would be a great point for considering g*d's 'personification'...in becoming self-aware and conscious of his identity (thanks all posters for the ideas !).


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: Cherk]
    #5540459 - 04/21/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"God is waiting for you to discover what ever manifestation you choose to perceive god as"

If this is so then personally, I feel more at peace if I choose not to perceive god at all. It's just putting a high and mighty name on the natural world, which is wonderful without that name. "God" implies the supernatural.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: phishphish2]
    #5540720 - 04/21/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps as god, you created relativity in order to start from scratch and experience yourself as god rather than just being god. Perhaps, in order to experience yourself through all of these forms of life, you had to erase your memory of being god.






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Re: 'You are God' [Re: Learyfan]
    #5540835 - 04/21/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: 'You are God' [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5541010 - 04/21/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My 2 cents, I have found through my own experiences and knowledge and rationalizations... that we are a fragment of god... reading the quote put a smile to my face because it is verbatim in my head...

But thats what most dont understand, we are not god, we are merely a fragment...

God started the original reaction which created the big bang, and there was more power everywhere in the forms of matter and anti-matter than anyone could comprehend, and matter and anti-matter was supposed to be equally balanced... "god seperated the light from the darkness" (im agnostic but I find truth in some religious quotes) there was a slightly higher ammount of matter than anti-matter, which the rest ahnihalated itself, that 0.0000000001% that was left had a force to it, and the careful configuration of that original pattern of energy expelled from the center of the universe converged in such a way to create everything around us, and the human existance is a fraction of this universe smaller than I care to write. So yes we are a fragment of god, but I laugh at anyone who tries to understand his awesomeness, that includes myself.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: Cherk]
    #5541131 - 04/21/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Smoker For Peace said:
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dblaney said:
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phishphish2 said:
I hear/read this statement all the time on this forum..but what exactly does it mean? How could I be God?  God has been described as 'all-knowing' and 'perfect.'  I am certainly none of those!  I am interested....




As Markos says, when you identify with your ego, the impression that you are extremely limited and an individual is certainly prominent. However, that does not necessarily make the impression True.

Your entire being arises as a part of Everything. No part of you is separate or individual. Any such impressions are illusionary.

Identify yourself with Reality and you will see the answer to your questions very clearly.




Assuming that by ego you mean "your consciousness of your own identity" 

If god is equally present in everything, then isn't the ego just as much a part of god as non-ego?  In which case how can we ever know god completely if we exclude certain parts of god?  Spiritual development is a process of changing what you identify as yourself, in spiritually un-developed people the self is identified with the flesh in blood, in spiritually developed people the self is identified with god.  This process goes on and on until one is god and god is one!

If we continue to believe that our sense of self exists soley in the material world then we certainly are limited by the material world.  If we believe that our sense of self is god, then we are only limited by god.   




Yes, the ego is just as much a part of God as everything else. It is like one droplet of water in a stream. If the entire stream identifies with one droplet of water, then it is ignorant, for it is not limited to only that one droplet, but rather is the entire stream. Similarly, if we identify strictly with the ego, then we are ignorant, for we are not merely the ego, but rather Everything and Nothing. Thus one should try to transcend the ego. Not eliminate it or suppress it, but transcend it: there's a big difference.

So basically I think, we agree. :thumbup:


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: dblaney]
    #5541156 - 04/21/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The ego never existed in the first place. It is all one movement in the cosmos. You and I and dominoes. We are not a result of the big bang, we are the big bang. There are no individuals here.


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: dorkus]
    #5541162 - 04/21/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:laugh:


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Re: 'You are God' [Re: dblaney]
    #5541179 - 04/21/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Your line of thinking is very understandable, its what usually happens with the untrained mind using hallucinogens Ive noticed, but ive noticed much greater things than any of us individuals and I can feel much more energy for certain things than I can from a person, people are like animals aswell, -like- animals, we arent yet meant to understand the larger workings, the only thing that we are meant to understand is that there are forces larger than us at work at all times, and we can feel them. God is within us, but god is within everything, and god is even far greater than all of this existance.


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