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OfflineMadtowntripper
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Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper.
    #5516284 - 04/14/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Not the real paper, but like a free local weekly that they hand out all over. Interesting article though...

http://www.shepherd-express.com/4_13_06/noize_thinkspace.htm

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What Came First, the Culture or the Music?
Making a Case for the Grateful Dead
By Eric Lewin


What do nearly all punks, mods, rudies, skinheads, metal heads, and indie and emo kids have in common?

They hate the Grateful Dead. Or at least they think they do.

Believe me, I can sympathize. As a burgeoning music snob in middle school, I was programmed to hate the Dead after seeing a picture of Kurt Cobain wearing a T-shirt with ?Kill the Grateful Dead? written on it. I hadn?t heard a note of the Dead?s music? outside of a snippet of ?Truckin?? that I happened to catch on the radio?but this was my stance until the end of high school, thanks largely to my punk-rock bias.

However, when the Terrapin Station festival came to East Troy, I reluctantly gave them a chance. I realized they had some undeniably good songs. I was swept up in the stories of the nomadic cicus. I was impressed that so many feathers were ruffled by their appearance, that locals thought Dead Heads were thugs who would come in and ruin half of Walworth County. I became a Grateful Dead fan?a rarity for someone with a Minor Threat sticker on his car.

My isolated testimony aside, this distaste for all things Dead is still alive and well. My belief is that people (myself included) are sick to death with the lameness of tie-dye shirts, those stupid bears, tambourine-playing turtles and dancing skeletons. Come on, did Led Zeppelin mess around with that kind of vomit imagery? Hell no! Their logo was a giant black-and-white zeppelin. Christ, it was even on fire! Now that?s how you get the kids interested.

In addition to the absurdity of the Dead?s imagery, maybe it?s the band?s involuntary link to all things hippie that has made it so repellent to outsiders. Whether it?s their hacky sacks, their insistence on playing hacky sack in the middle of the street or those hats that look like hacky sacks themselves, it?s no secret that distaste for neo-hippies runs high. Specific examples of this gut feeling are in no short supply. From Primal Scream?s song ?Kill All Hippies? to South Park?s ?Die Hippie, Die? episode, post-modern pop culture has certainly stacked the deck against them.

Be that as it may, the Grateful Dead weren?t hippies. We?re talking about a band who hung out with the Hell?s Angels, barely escaped with their lives from the notorious Altamont Raceway Park concert and played faster than just about any other California band at the time with their first record. The media created the kaleidoscope representation; it wasn?t real. When asked about the scene that followed her father?s band, Trixie Garcia said, ?The funny thing is, Jerry and the rest of the band were a bunch of cynical, shit-talking, dark-humored guys: a band of pirates, really. Then here they are, being followed around by all these tofu-loving people.?

It?s not just me who feels that the Dead are being slighted unfairly. If you look close enough, you can see a slow changing of the musical guard. Isaac Brock of Modest Mouse fame admitted in a recent interview that despite a lifelong hatred of the Grateful Dead, he got into Workingman?s Dead. Buddyhead.com?s ?ber cool co-founder Travis Keller, who told me in an interview in 2004 that he hated the Grateful Dead with a snide ?because they gave [him] bad acid? brush-off, included a Grateful Dead bootleg in a picture on his Web site entitled ?These Tapes Saved My Life While I was in Hawaii.? And alt-country poster boy Ryan Adams has been on a crusade for years to rescue the Dead?s image.

I guess in the end I really don?t care if every other rock snob in the world hates the Grateful Dead. But really, I don?t think that?s the case. With all the Grateful Dead?s extraneous culture, it can be very difficult to isolate the music at its center. However, for those lucky enough to wade through all that nonsense to discover gems such as Workingman?s Dead, American Beauty and Live/Dead, they are justly rewarded with some classic music (as long as you can handle a few raised eyebrows).





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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5557893 - 04/26/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ummm...Blasphemy anyone agree?


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: BatCountry]
    #5558081 - 04/26/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know about any of this.
why would anyone have anything against the grateful dead?


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: zoso507]
    #5558121 - 04/26/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

to quote somebody from another thread:

"for those who know, there are no words....for those who dont know..no words are adequate."


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: deadHead321]
    #5558140 - 04/26/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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deadHead321 said:
"for those who know, there are no words....for those who dont know..no words are adequate."




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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #5558159 - 04/26/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I used to be a punk, and a metal head ,,,, But I love the dead


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5558849 - 04/26/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, my best friend had a "Kill The Grateful Dead" shirt in high school because he read that Kurt Cobain had one. He probably still can't name a Grateful Dead song.







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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5558888 - 04/26/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What the hell is a rudie?


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: daimyo]
    #5559440 - 04/26/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i used to not like the grateful dead... then i heard them, and now, well, just look at me.. :lol:

it started from my uncles friend, he had a syf on his car, and i didnt like that guy, so, at the age of 13 or so, i said fuck that shit, and the bears kinda annoyed me at the time.. (this guy was a dick too, kinda like a wanna-be hells angles/bounty hunter kinda guy)

so then, for some reason, when jerry died, when i didnt even know who he was, they just announced it on mtv news, i felt a deep saddening, kinda wierd, cause i remember bieng really sad for about 3 days in p.e class... the images in my head of him dying were just sad.

about 4 years later, or so, i just heard the tail end of truckin on the radio, and for about 6 months, i was aching for it to come on the radio again... never did... but then, out of the blue, my brother bought his first grateful dead album: skeletons from the closet. Needless to say, it got it's fair share of play time.. then i got one from the vault, and he got workinmans dead (or american beauty) and man, i was hooked... music had never sounded so good... so different. it wasnt like the normal music for that era, it was really unique, and now, here i am, listening to the dead, nearly day in day out, everywhere i go...

and i never tripped untill maybe 3 years after getting into the dead... but let me tell ya, once i combined them, it was heaven.


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: Phychotron]
    #5559540 - 04/26/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

what a trash article... very opinionated, very one sided... no me gusta


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: Phychotron]
    #5559545 - 04/26/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I just can't get into the dead. Fire on the Mountain is pretty badass, but I haven't liked anything else that I've heard them play.


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: daimyo]
    #5564767 - 04/27/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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daimyo said:
What the hell is a rudie?




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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: Madtowntripper] * 1
    #14492506 - 05/22/11 02:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i love the dead with a passion my life is filled with continous streams of rich thick pure dead music that flows in from my stero and then soaks into my head and all of a sudden i find my self in the front row of a dead show with thousands of close friends that i have never met before and we ae all swaying to one tribal beat as jerrys rifs flow out like cosmic smoke and the rest of the band plays on bob weirs infectious rythm sucks me  in phils bass thumps my chest the drums pound in perfect snycronization mickey and bill are a team and the piano plays and with each note it sends you farther than ever before and it is there that i get a fix and then the end of the album comes and all of a sudden i find my self back in my room on my bed completely taken of breathe and speechless as the euphoria pulses i relize man i gotta back and i hit play again and im gone...:mushroom2:


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: Dead123]
    #14492532 - 05/22/11 02:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i love the dead with a passion my life is filled with continous streams of rich thick pure dead music that flows in from my stero and then soaks into my head and all of a sudden i find my self in the front row of a dead show with thousands of close friends that i have never met before and we ae all swaying to one tribal beat as jerrys rifs flow out like cosmic smoke and the rest of the band plays on bob weirs infectious rythm sucks me  in phils bass thumps my chest the drums pound in perfect snycronization mickey and bill are a team and the piano plays and with each note it sends you farther than ever before and it is there that i get a fix and then the end of the album comes and all of a sudden i find my self back in my room on my bed completely taken of breathe and speechless as the euphoria pulses i relize man i gotta back and i hit play again and im gone...:mushroom2:






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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
    #14492638 - 05/22/11 04:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If i wanted to give the dead a shot what album should i start with?


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: IamMatt]
    #14492654 - 05/22/11 04:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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IamMatt said:
If i wanted to give the dead a shot what album should i start with?






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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: IamMatt]
    #14492736 - 05/22/11 05:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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IamMatt said:
If i wanted to give the dead a shot what album should i start with?



If you want a studio album get American Beauty or Anthem of the Sun. If you want a live album (you do) get Live/Dead, or Dick's Picks Volume 4.


That article was practically unreadable with all those ?s. And because of the fact that it sucked.


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Re: Interesting Grateful Dead article in local paper. [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
    #14492742 - 05/22/11 05:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

dicks picks 18 is a good one. estimated prophet is good, and a lot of other really good tunes. for earlier stuff try ladies and gentlemen the grateful dead, and for earlier stuff try the Fillmore 2-11-69 if you can find it.

remember that the dead sounds very different over the years, i have yet to fully indulge into the 80's and 90's shows. i keep it mostly 60's and 70's.  i actually fell in love with a lot of the early stuff, 67-71 first even before the peak of the 70's--1977. 

one reason i think a lot of people can't get into the dead is because live music sounds so different than studio music that most people are used to. If you'd gone to a show you'd have changed your mind cause the sound quality at the venue is unequivocal.  And you also must CRANK it if you want to hear it correctly.


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