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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5516914 - 04/14/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think wording has a lot to due with the matter.

Like you said: lump of cells. Or others say "baby"

I don't think its a lump of cells..its much more complicated then that.


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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: Toddo]
    #5516929 - 04/14/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

its the difference between trying to sell a house, and trying to sell a home.

whatever spin you would like to place upon it to cater to your argument.

baby:an extremely young child; especially : INFANT (2) : an extremely young animal b : the youngest of a group

fetus:an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth
zygote: a cell formed by the union of two gametes; broadly : the developing individual produced from such a cell


depending on whether it is younger or older than three months, the only proper word is either zygote or fetus. However, a lump of cells is closer to the definition of a zygote than a baby is to the definition of a fetus.


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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5516939 - 04/14/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I just wanted to jump in mostly to say that I really appreciate the men out there who view it as a woman's personal choice.  :thumbup:


People sometimes forget that pro choice just means pro choice and not pro abortion. There are people who would never have one themselves yet at least respect the rights of others to tend to their own reproductive biology.

If any male out there reading this or yet to post says, "What if I get a female pregnant and I want to keep and raise the baby and she wants an abortion? Don't I have a say?":flowstone:

Yes you do! You have a say in who you have sex with. :smile: If you want children, then have sex with a woman who wants one with you or you have the right and choice not to have sex with her. :wink:

If you go ahead anyway knowing she doesn't want to get pregnant, use double duty birth control, and realize that if she ends up pregnant anyway, you knew going into it that she didn't want to get pregnant. That's where you had your say- before sex, not after.

I'm not saying if it ever happens to you anyway after reading this and you feel that way, that you shouldn't let her know you are willing to take full legal custody. She may then decide to go ahead in such a case. :shrug:

I don't understand where some men believe they should have a right to force a woman to go through an unwanted pregnancy. If he wants to control something so badly, he can take control over his decisions regarding who he has sex with if he's against abortion. He should have sex with women who are against it too. :wink:

Just my opinion.

To answer your question, I personally choose to see abortion as killing the "potential" for human life.

It would be encouraging to see more discussion in the world, especially with teens about "responsible sex" and rape prevention, so abortion will no longer even be an issue, save for extreme medical situations.

Thank's for listening.

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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5516943 - 04/14/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Scenario A) what about when the two people before having sex, or atleast getting pregnant, talked and agreed upon an abortion, woman gets pregnant, gets some maternal subconscious bond with it, and refuses to have an abortion?

Scenario B) A girl secretly wants to get pregnant, knowing that her boyfriend doesnt want that, stops taking the pill, and even after being asked that she took it, lies to him and gets pregnant?


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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5516958 - 04/14/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It is only a sin to kill something if you are not going to eat it. This is what I learned when I used to hunt.


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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5516967 - 04/14/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Described by executives of Channel 4 as a "thought-provoking film about extreme art in China," the documentary features a man named Zhu Yu, who displays photographs in which he washes a stillborn child in a sink and then consumes it. Just for luck, the program, called "Beijing Swings," also features a man drinking the wine used to preserve an amputated penis and follows hard upon Channel 4's showing last month of a live-action autopsy. Insisting he could not "find any law which prevents us from eating people," Zhu Yu suggests, "I took advantage of the space between morality and the law and based my work on it."




here is the man, the myth, the legend!!!!!



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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5516985 - 04/14/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think that was very well thought out


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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5517039 - 04/14/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ooooooh good questions. I'm not a male so, I don't have to be too concerned about that but you guys sure do. Women that deceive guys, really should be on their own with that one. I think that's an extremely LOW and SELFISH thing for a woman to do to a guy. :thumbdown:

How do you get the laws to co-operate in such cases? How do you prove it in court and even if you could, would the laws free you from any obligation to child support? You guys should start making women sign pre-sex contract agreements first.:lol:

I'm making sure to raise my daughter to know better then that. As a matter of fact, floating around the pool today, she asked me what taking advantage of another meant and we had a long heart to heart about it. We'll be sure to have many more such discussions.

If I were to advise my son if I had one, I would tell him that he could avoid the potential problems of both scenarios by "ALWAYS using a condom as well as really getting to know pretty well the character of the person he is having sex with first.

Regarding scenario A, if he is old enough and responsible enough to be having sex and at least cares about her, I think a mature male could work he's way through understanding a woman's potential change of heart. Thats a tougher one though. My heart would go out to Both of them. :frown:)

If a man can not afford potential child support, what is he even doing having sex? He should be out looking for work. :tongue:

What is your solution and how would you enforce a release form obligation legally?

Otherwise, it doesn't matter what I think, the law says, you will help PAY for it, even though the law doesn't force you to help raise it.

No one forces a man to have sex with a woman. Doing so puts him at risk for lots of things beside the potential to end up paying child support. Without wearing a condom, you also put yourself at risk for risk STDs.

Use condoms you guys until you are happily married to someone you fully trust and want to be the mother of your children. If you NEVER want kids, get a vasectomy.

I'm glad you asked those questions psilo. Sexually active men out there need to be thinking about these things. :thumbup:

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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5517048 - 04/14/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I forgot to add that if a woman ensured a guy she would not go ahead with a pregnancy if she accidentally got pregnant and then, did and had a sincere change of heart, I think the ONLY decent thing for her to do, would be, to not hold him legally obligated to child support. Thats only being fair. :thumbup:
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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5517067 - 04/14/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have often thought about harvesting/freezing a few cuploads of semen and just having a vasectomy.

I think a lot of women have children to create a change in themselves, as well as having hopes of making them happier. Kind of selfish, but maybe it is a neccessity for humanity to go on. Up to the point where the umbilical chord is severed, it seems as if the mother is the newborn and the stomach area is regarded as a precious pet. The mother is "showered" with gifts, cards, flowers, attention etc.

Then they wonder why PND sets in..... unsatisfied person gets 9 months of extreme care and attention, then gets dropped back to equivalent status......


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Re: Abortion: is it killing babies? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5517130 - 04/14/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

And you sound like a mature and understanding male there. Female hormones are complicated :lol: Say a woman didn't want to get pregnant and thought she could abort if she did on accident. Once she is pregnant, a whole new flood of hormones kick in that could effect her emotional state and give cause to a change of heart/mind about going through with one. Like I said, the least she could do then, is take on sole custody and support herself.

Vasectomies I read have a pretty decent success rate with reversal operations. If you think you are sure about not wanting children, yet are just being realistic about a change of mind in the far distant future, that may be a good choice for you.

I use to NEVER want kids and then, met my husband at age 26 and something goofy happened. I wanted kids with him. :confused: That was wild. First time in my life I felt that way. A change of mind can happen if the chemistry is wonderfully goofy enough.

:peace: :heart:


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