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Attic setup
#5515729 - 04/14/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hola, friend of mine is planning on growing in an attic and i was wondering if any ideas about this. Since temperature would be a problem would there be any way to air condition it/use a fridge like http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3353216 . He can't grow anywhere except attic. Ideas?
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5515871 - 04/14/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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That sounds REALLY inefficient. Is there a window in the attic? If so tell your friend to go find a window unit air conditioner to put in. If not and he's handy, tell him to install a window for an airconditioner unit :-p
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Re: Attic setup [Re: ezsefix]
#5515892 - 04/14/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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if you have two windows stick in a fan and run it like mad to get all that super hot air out. growing up there otherwise might not work at least in the hot summer months. myabe stick to the winter up there and small grows in a closet in the summer. or goraw all you need for the summer in the winter then take a break.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: skeletor]
#5515894 - 04/14/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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There arent windows.....or is anyone installing one lol. What would be some problems with the fridge also?
Also, how would say a large cooler work. Heating pad in winter and ice plastic bags in summer(experiment with temp of course).
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5515936 - 04/14/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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His electric bill would be massive, since the fridge would constantly be running at full blast pretty much if it were opened, plus I don't know how well it would cool things down. How big of an attic are we talking about? I betcha if there were a way you could section off an area so that the fridge was required to cool a smaller area it would work more efficiently.
I suppose it could be made to work, but just plopping a fridge in the attic with the door open isn't going to do much by itself.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: ezsefix]
#5515947 - 04/14/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I meant grow inside the fridge(with slight modifications of course), and could a window air conditioner work just sitting in the middle of the attic?
I dont know about any exhaust tho, maybe route the exhaust out a tube? but for his use keeping it a little hotter wouldnt be bad,and he cant afford a portable air conditioner lol. Any other imput on this?
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5515971 - 04/14/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the reason air conditioner units have to be in a window is because they have exhaust products. That's just a guess on my part, but I would check with a vendor about that first, and my guess is their answer will be no.
And if you could figure a way to get the fridge to a good temp then more power to ya! I thought you meant having the fridge in the attic with the door open to cool the place lol.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: ezsefix]
#5516252 - 04/14/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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this sounds like a bigger waste of energy then a hummer. spend you money making a rad stealth cabinet or tv unit that you can fit everything inside but blends into your house.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: skeletor]
#5516303 - 04/14/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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skeletor said: this sounds like a bigger waste of energy then a hummer. spend you money making a rad stealth cabinet or tv unit that you can fit everything inside but blends into your house.
Hi, no.
Any IDEAS on how to set up a year-round attic grow are welcomed.
Anyone know best way to air condition it?
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5516371 - 04/14/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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the only way would be with a fresh air source. with out it no way you can get the attic cool enough. i don't see the fidge idea working in anyway. i would start thinking about how to get fresh air moving through there. even that wouldn't be nearly enough. an a'c window unit prolly wouldn't cut it either. the roof is prolly a dark shingle, absorbing heat and attics are almost never insulated. your best bet would be winter time growing, heating the place up would be much easier because you would only have to heat your FC. good luck, but don't waste to much time on this, sounds expensive and difficult. outdoor growing an option for you?
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I see no reason why an attic would not get an attic to 75-80 with a air conditioner...........any other imput on this other then maxpower210.
Outdoor lol.
And yes we are going to waste that much time on it
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5516447 - 04/14/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well air conditioners blow cool air in and hot air out, siting in the middle of the room it would do nothing. And the only thing i can think of is way to expensive if "he" cant afford a 80$A/C. But why grow in the attic with all these obstacles/? does "he" live with mom& dad? If so he must not care about his parents well-being. And as a general consensus "don't grow if you cant do so comfortably"
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I'll have to check his attic,but if I could route the heat out of the attic would it work?
Yes my friend lives with his mom at the moment and really doesn't care about her well-being but doesnt really want her stumbling upon a mushroom grow lmao.
I never said he cant afford a 80$ a/c lol. (And no esance "he" is not "me" though i am helping "he" out with the grow till he gets a hang of things ). Grow room is the only issue though.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5516521 - 04/14/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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sounds like you have already come up with the answer in your own mind and just want everyone else to validate it. if you come here seeking help be grateful for the responses you recieve considering (obviously) they know more than you.
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futurewolf42o said: sounds like you have already come up with the answer in your own mind and just want everyone else to validate it. if you come here seeking help be grateful for the responses you recieve considering (obviously) they know more than you.
Hello douchebag, I would like to pleasantly inform you that you ARE a douchebag. Read before I get any further into this post.
Was wondering how to spell that.....ty 
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5516559 - 04/14/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hello douschbag, I would like to pleasantly inform you that you ARE a douschbag. Read
learn to spell douche-bag.
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grow up. people are trying to help you. basically the attic won't work in the summer find somewhere else. closet perhaps. also growing in a parents house without permission is decidedly uncool. especially with people getting busted lately. sorry mom see you in 15 years - your loving son ____.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5516599 - 04/14/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hello douchebag, I would like to pleasantly inform you that you ARE a douchebag. Read before I get any further into this post.
Was wondering how to spell that.....ty 
I was trying to give you some helpful advice, your responses seemed rather unproductive. maybe thats just how i percieved them. Im sorry im part of such a hostile interaction on this otherwise very drama free forum. good luck air conditioning your attic.
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i was thinking about this the other day. you should set up a system meant to cool computers. Its not that expensive and easy to put together. just run a crappy little Pentium one sys up there and use a liquid cooling system to cool the chamber.. specifics you'll have to work out for yourself but its a good idea. you can use software to run the temps and fan speeds and there are sensors that come with the system that can monitor the whole set up you just need to trick the system into thinking that the FC is the inside of the box. i could rig it up np so you should be able to fig it out.. just a thought
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Pashasan]
#5516661 - 04/14/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It will be difficult and expensive to cool an attic. Guess Mom gets to pay for that huh? Just because your friend doesn't like his Mom doesn't mean you should help him disrespect her. And yes, doing illegal things on someone elses property IS disrespect.
Show some maturity. Prove to YOURSELF that you can make responsible decisions, that you aren't just another piece of shit, and that you don't just care about yourself.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: cappa]
#5516692 - 04/14/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi cappa.......that is completely irrelevant.
Dear douchebags, When i created this thread it was to discuss how and ways to create a year-round grow in an attic, not an easy thing. Posts saying to give up, grow somewhere else, and for my friend to respect his mother has absolutely NOTHING to do with what i was saying or am asking for advice on. - Love ximp
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5516731 - 04/14/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ximp said: Hi cappa.......that is completely irrelevant.
he has a point. and although it may not be relevant to your topic, its def relevant to the subject.
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in fact it is quite relevent. you see growing on property you don't own is lame. also you have shown you shouldn't even be growing.
however what is most relevent was the usefull information given. cooling an attic is not smart, efficient or realistic. why would you make life hard for yourself? start somewhere where you don't have to deal with such a problem just to get to ground zero and start growing.
closet stealth grow.
now, wait a few years till you get your own place, come back with a better attidude and then get growing
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Re: Attic setup [Re: skeletor]
#5517491 - 04/14/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ximp i don't care if you waste your time trying this but i am trying to help. No way you can do cool an attic down without a fresh air source, lots of it, money and time. combine all these things and guess what, dude's mom knows somethings up in the attic? why not spend this energy and determination on finding a new idea of where to grow. there has to be some other options.
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"growing on property you don't own is lame"
"now, wait a few years till you get your own place, come back with a better attidude and then get growing "
From what I took from that, a friend I know should not be growing in the house that he rents...it's going to be a LONG time before he can buy a house and own the ground he stands on and even then the bank will probably own it, perhaps you mean "property you pay for?", or should all shroomery members be home owners?
at any rate, I will try to be somewhat useful for this guys original question because it might help someone else even though I dont agree with using gobs or your mothers electricity without permission.
Here are some vague general ideas that I think could, maybe, have remote possibility of working for a year round attic solution. Keep in mind my friend hasnt even goten to fruting his shrooms yet but he has the inate ability to use a search engine, he's very gifted you should meet him sometime. =)
Now how do you get FAE in an attic with no windows? simple, dont
from http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/7992 you can use K2Cr2O7 for humidty (or something along those lines) and you can use potassium hydroxide to rid your FC of c02, it's all outlined at the link check it out for a possible closed exhaust FC. Now what does this mean? well my good sir you wont have to make any holes in that mini fridge you were thinking about, if your really serious about this and put some time, money, and effort you can possibly build a FC inside a mini fridge that has no access to outside air, and for lights....battery powered push lights?
I dunno im a noob in this forum so far feel free to bash my vague suggestion, im actually really not sure if it's even remotely plausible to grow shrooms without new air, but in a thread I posted a while ago I suggested using technology divers use called "rebreathers" which is a way to filter c02 and have divers continually breath the same air without a tank, I have an incling this technology could work with shrooms as well eliminating the need to grow with FAE thus nearly eliminating contams during the FC stage. But what do I know, actually i'd really like someone to comment on that idea I have no idea if it will work....
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Re: Attic setup [Re: MerchantP]
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Re: Attic setup [Re: MerchantP]
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Hippie3]
#5518181 - 04/15/06 07:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was thinking a swamp cooler, but I threw that out because I dont think he wants to be constantly changing water etc. if it's in an attic.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: MerchantP]
#5518277 - 04/15/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's going to cost just as much to efficiently prepare an attic as it would to rent your own place and grow there.
you're going to need to find a way to get clean/cool air into your attic. none of us here can actually go INTO your attic and find out for you. If you want ideas, we've given you the best ones we can. You're just going to have to work with what you have.
Don't get on here talking shit when someone took the time to respond and help you out. That's a quick way to get banned.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: MerchantP]
#5518298 - 04/15/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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MerchantP said: "growing on property you don't own is lame"
"now, wait a few years till you get your own place, come back with a better attidude and then get growing "
From what I took from that, a friend I know should not be growing in the house that he rents...it's going to be a LONG time before he can buy a house and own the ground he stands on and even then the bank will probably own it, perhaps you mean "property you pay for?", or should all shroomery members be home owners?
Its about respect. If he got busted, his mom could be charged as-well. If you are renting a house and get busted they aren't going to hold the property owners responsible, they will hold you responsible.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5518340 - 04/15/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ximp said: Hi cappa.......that is completely irrelevant.
Dear douchebags, When i created this thread it was to discuss how and ways to create a year-round grow in an attic, not an easy thing. Posts saying to give up, grow somewhere else, and for my friend to respect his mother has absolutely NOTHING to do with what i was saying or am asking for advice on. - Love ximp
Dude, listen to what people have to say and be grateful for it. These people know what they're talking about. I have a lot of respect for people who know more than me, and I've found out the hard way not to disregard their advice.
That being said, how about doing a few pf jars in-vitro? That should get you and your friend a few good doses. Unless your intent is to deal, in which case I hope you like prison food and showering next to other guys.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5518868 - 04/15/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could setup a AC unit if it was over something like a "flood table" to catch the water that is going to be sucked out of the air. You will need to run a hose from the "flood table" to a spot the water can drain. I have an attic and this is prolly what I would do if I didn't have enough grow spots in my house.
Using an AC unit and not a fridge would be easy, temp control and all. If you don't understand what I'm talking about say something I will draw up a diagram in photoshop.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Fungi_x]
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Hahaha you guys are getting really into this...... 
Thank you to those that actually posted something relevant.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Ximp]
#5519178 - 04/15/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everyone posted something relevent. You just refuse to see it.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: cappa]
#5519228 - 04/15/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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a air conditioner will heat your attic if the exhaust is just blowing inside, so if you get the heat from the exist outside somehow you will still need to get rid of the water that it pulls from the air. but if you grow inside that fridge that you have in mind, i think it would work good. might be a little cramped, and i dont think that type of fridge takes much power to run. but you probley will need a thermostat. peace-out
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Re: Attic setup [Re: shambler]
#5519330 - 04/15/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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shambler said: a air conditioner will heat your attic if the exhaust is just blowing inside,
I have setup a AC unit in my bedroom just as I described and it did cool the air allot. I think allot of the heat energy may go with the water. I wish I could find some text's on this tho
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Fungi_x]
#5519345 - 04/15/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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There is generally no insulation in attics though. I had a rodent get into my attic and knock some ducting lose from one of my ceiling vents. Needless to say my electricity bill more than doubled for 3 months until I figured out what had happened, close to a $200 increase per month.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: darkfly]
#5519379 - 04/15/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think mommy would notice a 300 buck increase.
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Re: Attic setup [Re: Fungi_x]
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Fungi_x said:. I think allot of the heat energy may go with the water. I wish I could find some text's on this tho
you are correct. basic principle of physics called latent heat of evaporation- it's the principle behind all forms of air conditioning, evaporative or HVAC. in essence when matter changes state, from liquid to a gas, it sucks in large amounts of heat from surroundings.
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