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soaking wbs...
    #5515493 - 04/14/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I soaked some wbs since last night at 9 o clock and now its 15 hours later can i just rinse and pc then inoc...or should i simmer then rinse then pc then inoc...i just want someone to clearify this


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5515508 - 04/14/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i wouldn't skip the simmering. i have in the past and the water retention wasn't as high, thus colonization times were slower. I have also noticed fewer incidence of contamination after simmering the wbs.
It can be done without simmering however.
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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: georgeM]
    #5515547 - 04/14/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you have 1265 posts and you dont know?

Soak 24 hr -/+
simmer for 30 min.
let cool overnight
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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5515557 - 04/14/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Soak 24 hrs, at least.

Or, steep in hot water now, if you wish.

Do not BOIL. Not even SIMMER.

Just VERY HOT WATER.


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5515559 - 04/14/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Simmering can be a great way to F/U your WBS.  I've only tried simmering twice, it takes far to much observation. 

The best method I've found is just a 24 hour soak.  It's also the easiest AND fastest (if you plan ahead) in IMO.  You just put seeds in a bucket and cover with water 24 hours ahead of time.  Standing by a pot on the stove watching it carefully (the only way I've been able to get it right.) takes just too much of my time.

edit:  ahh  nevermind, Agar has spoken :laugh: LOL.


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: musher_420]
    #5515620 - 04/14/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

why not boil and simmer agar? is there a good reason for this, ive had good sucsess with "foomans" easy soak and simmer prep?

works just fine.


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: musher_420]
    #5515621 - 04/14/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

if you dont wanna worry about water retention, just try adding a bit of verm to your wbs.

i actually just tried a ratio of 70% millet 15%verm 15% worm castings/poo. it works great and i didn't simmer. just soaked for 24 hours, drained and pc'd. didn't even have to rinse off with HOT water. Agar's right though... don't bother simmering. its a waste of time when working with wbs. the seeds themselves don't have the capacity to hold a large amount of water (or enough to really gain anyhting by simmering).

Rye on the other hand.... i always simmer.


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: musher_420]
    #5515624 - 04/14/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i didnt ask for people to say "you got so and so posts dont you know...no i dont know i read to many ways to do it and i want to know the right way so thats when i come here...soo yeah,agar t hanks man your always a help..iam going to steep in hot w ater for an h our then rinse then pc..then inoc tonight


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: FractalXplora]
    #5515744 - 04/14/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you want to COOK WBS, have grains BURST & have all the WBS release sticky starch. BOIL IT.

You will often end up with WET SPOT goop, in your jars. :eek:

If you want to HYDRATE WBS, read the following post.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3982155#Post3982155


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: agar]
    #5515791 - 04/14/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ok thanks agar....understood, my gas bill is going through the roof, i would  prefer to be a bit more eco friendly on this one :smile:

soaking = cheaper = better for enviroment too ....peace ><


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: agar]
    #5515800 - 04/14/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, I believe the STEEPING is a better solution than simmering as well. Although I've had success with simmering and getting a few burst seeds, they don't shake as well.

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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: cappa]
    #5515916 - 04/14/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

steeping is nice. its quite the trend. i steep my grain but i will not drink steeped coffee!


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: skeletor]
    #5516029 - 04/14/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

WELL I WQAS ORGINALLY FOLLOWING FOOMANS EASY SOAK AND SIMMER TEK BUT AFTER I WOULD PC THE GRAINS THEY WOULD LOOK OVERLY DRY FROM PCING THEM..LIKE THE PC SUCKED ALL THE MOISTURE OUT OF THEM,I DUNNO WHY BUT IT HAPPENS TO ME ALOT..I ONLY PC FOR 7O M INUTES TOO I DONT GET IT..MABY 8ITS CAUSE I USE THE RACK THAT CAME WITH THE PC INSTEAD OF A CLOTH..IMA TRY A CLOTH TODAY AND SEE IF IT CHANGES ANYTHING..shoot sorry bouytthe caps guys


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5516144 - 04/14/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The PC shouldn't dry out your jars. UNLESS you try to speed things up by forcing it to release pressure by lifting the weight and letting the steam shoot out. That rapid loss in pressure will cause the water inside the jars to boil and can dry them out a bit. You have to let the pressure relive its self.


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: musher_420]
    #5516162 - 04/14/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

what water in jars? there isnt any water in my jars,theres only wbs...but when i take the jars out it seems like the grains are dryer then when i put them in..i dont get it


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5516184 - 04/14/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys i got another question..iam pcing jars i found in my house,i was wondering if i can pc regular jars that arent cannin jars...well if i cant its kinda too late anyways cause there in the pressure cooker almost at 10 psi and climbing...so just let me know anyways..


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5516832 - 04/14/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Can do bud.


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5516859 - 04/14/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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what water in jars? there isnt any water in my jars,theres only wbs...but when i take the jars out it seems like the grains are dryer then when i put them in..i dont get it




I should have been more clear, sorry.

I ment the water/moisture inside the GRAINS that are inside the jars.


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: musher_420]
    #5517026 - 04/14/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

musher i just took my jars out of the pc to check them....and the grains do seem dryer and some are even burst...i dont get it...


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5517125 - 04/14/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

IT MAKES ME FUCKING MAD GOD FUCKING DAMN IT,why cant i do wbs the right fucking way!!! i do everything right and it comes out wrong!!damn it..am i using the wrong kind of something?!?!


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5517160 - 04/14/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm going to re-post this.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3982155#Post3982155

It's so critical.

I'm going to say that it's likely that your not allowing the grain to absorb the water it needs. If you follow the info in that link. Then drain until not a drop will drip when you shake the colander then your WBS WILL be at the right moisture content. Set up your jars with tyvek or polyfil along with the disk and PC 90 minutes. That's all there is too it.

How exactly can you tell your grain is too dry anyways? I have some stuff colonizing right now that's about 80% done I THOUGHT it might be too dry because it would rattle inside the jars. But it looks like it will finish and it wasn't slow at all.


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: musher_420]
    #5517240 - 04/14/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

cause it looks DRY very dry..almost to dry for spores to germinate


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5517609 - 04/14/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Inoculating wbs with spores is something. Do you have an LC?
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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: georgeM]
    #5517681 - 04/15/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i dont do lc..never had any luck with them...


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: bongtoke]
    #5518297 - 04/15/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

this thread was very informative, im happy i got to read it.

however, im not into WBS yet - couple more days!!!

so - im getting the picture that you basically 24hour soak, then put it into a colander and let it drain for how long?


and then just knock it up in the jars - no need to simemr or anything right?


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5518401 - 04/15/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

your WBS from the other day, how is  it? I would stick to trying that out till you made a new batch :wink: but anyways did you get ANY growth on the first one yet? You'll gte it sooner or later, you might also want to try 1/3 WBS 2/3 rye


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Re: soaking wbs... [Re: Babo911]
    #5518613 - 04/15/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

iam goign to do a new batch right now..soak for 24 hours and steep


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