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InvisibleAlex213
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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5521097 - 04/16/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Many people on welfare don't want jobs, they want handouts.


Do you have any evidence for this? Or have you just pulled it from your ass?


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Alex213]
    #5521110 - 04/16/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Many people on welfare don't want jobs, they want handouts.


Do you have any evidence for this? Or have you just pulled it from your ass?



I have witnessed many examples of this phenomenon in and around my area. It may be different elsewhere, but here, I know many people who work the system and don't want anything more.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5521128 - 04/16/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I know but that's not very reliable is it. It's like some right-winger saying "I've met jews and they're all rich and have hooknoses and I met nigras and they were horrible too".

It means fuck all. You can't generalise about entire groups of people.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Alex213]
    #5521152 - 04/16/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He didn't generalize. He said "many want hand-outs". He didn't a "all of them" or "a majority of them". What he said can not even be argued to be false.


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InvisibleAlex213
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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Redstorm]
    #5521162 - 04/16/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Actually he did generalise. How many has he met? There are millions of people on welfare.

If I say "many nigras are shiftless and stupid" or "many jews are money grabbing bastards" that's acceptable is it?

I don't think so. I think it's an utterly meaningless statement you say when you dislike the group you're trying to label.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Alex213]
    #5521206 - 04/16/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It is acceptable.

It's just as acceptable as saying that many whites are racists. It's just a statement, and it's a true one.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Alex213]
    #5521225 - 04/16/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

About 5% of Americans are composed of the underclass, those entirely dependent upon government funds. I have heard of many who abuse the welfare system because it is so ridiculously structured, but the figure is not as horrible and gut-wrenching as the capitalists would like to make it out to be. The capitalists would like to convince the country everyone depending on government benefits is a lazy person robbing food off their table.

Perhaps this income redistribution would be more adequate if the stealing of funds by those at the head were not existent.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: bukkake]
    #5521241 - 04/16/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup:

Many people do it, but I don't think it's as wide-spread as some people believe it is.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Alex213]
    #5521421 - 04/16/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Actually he did generalise. How many has he met? There are millions of people on welfare.



Actually I didn't!
I used the word "many" because it doesn't mean all. The word choice was deliberate. I do also know welfare recipients that truly need assistance. It's some of them who have helped me to see the ones who abuse the system.

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I don't think so. I think it's an utterly meaningless statement you say when you dislike the group you're trying to label.



Thank you for clearing this up for me. I had no idea that I disliked welfare recipients.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5521481 - 04/16/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Perhaps this income redistribution would be more adequate if the stealing of funds by those at the head were not existent. "

Yep, that's right, the rich are rich because they stole from those who have nothing. Took everything they had. That is nothing. They stole all the nothing there was to steal and now the have nots have nothing. Yep, makes perfect sense.

As a personal aside bukkake, do you have any aspirations to work for a living or are you just constantly whining because you want to live off of my titty.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5521789 - 04/16/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No hay consumar productos de estados unidos sin my esposa. Yo quiero mucho chinga y no palabras
Hasta putos :wink:
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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5521862 - 04/16/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That part is accurate. The welfare state for the wealthy your men in office are creating, where social inequality is fabulous and glorious.

The second is not. I work. I also have no idea where you would get the idea I would like to mooch off your labor over the idea of mutualism.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: gregorio]
    #5522006 - 04/16/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It is the illegal ones that must be stopped and who are causing so many problems.




And what problems would these be? If not for "illegals" the nation would starve and the economy would take a major hit.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Vvellum]
    #5522185 - 04/16/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

people have a strange vague "common sense" idea that illegal workers hurt the US economy. "they take jobs" or something...

bad understanding of economics, plain and simple. it does not hurt the US economy to have people coming here to work.

mexicans come here and they work. they get paid in US dollars. whether they spend those dollars in america immediately, or send them back to mexico, they will support american production and employment in doing so.

by working here for less than americans are willing to, they allow people to buy food for less than they would otherwise spend. this decreases the cost of food, and permits americans to spend more on other things, both good things in themselves, but also increases production and employment in other sectors. then mexicans are paid more here than they are in mexico. everyone wins.

it's just having more producing individuals in the work force. it doesn't hurt. it helps.

mexican workers are good for the united states. i'm not usually one to pull out the race card, but i can't shake the idea that your typical anti-mexican-worker adherent assumes at face value that having dirty, poor mexicans coming into our country (and breaking the law to do so no less) must be a bad thing, and it's obvious they have nothing to offer and are a drain on our social services and pool of available jobs. simply not true. they provide an invaluable service and are good for our economy.

and they aren't going anywhere. even if we didn't need them, which we do, and endeavored to get rid of them, we all know how prohibition works. having an underground economy of people living in the shadows (and moving across our borders in the process) is definitely bad for national security, and it's not very humane, but the solution is not to bar people from coming to america to work. it's legalizing it and letting people travel here to work. as long as they're actually here to work, and they don't place a burden on our schools, prisons, or welfare roles, there's nothing wrong with them being here. it's a good thing.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: wilshire]
    #5522426 - 04/16/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:congrats: Well said!

As I was reading through this thread I couldn't wait to Post, however, waiting for the opportunity to add  :2cents: was Exciting!

To add to your view in MHO, I would like to add, Most Americans wouldn't take the pay or hard work some of these humbled Immigrants have endured! That's what keeps them here. They have come here and seized an Opportunity to better they're lives.
Don't forget they pay taxes too!
I can surely understand the stand we all feel that Immigration Needs Reformed, however, look who's picking food from the fields We eat, Look at your Gardner, Look who is detailing your ride at the car wash,
Look who is picking up your garbage every Tuesday morning off the curb, Look who is building the house you live in, Look who is cooking your breakfast at your local coffee shop and drive thru. Would you do these jobs?
Someone has too we've become accustomed to it!  :wink:


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5522799 - 04/16/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I would like to add, Most Americans wouldn't take the pay or hard work some of these humbled Immigrants have endured!



Cheap labor hm?
Lets employ the billions upon billions of people in the world who would work for less than americans would.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: 1stimer]
    #5522967 - 04/16/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that's your only response to what wilshire, tippinthru, and myself said..?


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: 1stimer]
    #5522970 - 04/16/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hells yeah, I'll take three!

Seriously, where can I get me a bunch of LBPs (Little Brown People) to do a bunch of shit for me. Why do all these multinational corporations get to make money hand over fist exploiting these people and I don't?

Does anybody want to go in on a Mexican with me?

What should we make them do?

How would we profit from it?


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5523072 - 04/16/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Lets make em fight our wars for us since we shouldnt have to risk the lives that americans dont want to risk.


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Re: Nothing gringo on May 1 [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5523281 - 04/17/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Actually I didn't!


Yes you did.

I used the word "many" because it doesn't mean all. The word choice was deliberate

And I asked you how many you had met. Lets say there are 7 million people on welfare in the US. Lets be generous and say you have met 20 people on welfare. Out of those 20 lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say you know 10 well enough to have a discussion with and for them to tell you that they'd prefer to take welfare than work.

You therefore know 10 people out of 7 million. That isn't "many" in my book. Not even close. When you have met 5 or 6 hundred thousand more then get back to us.


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