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can someone ID these please?
    #5514590 - 04/14/06 01:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)


 


can i possibly get an ID for these to species? the top pictures are in a cow patty and i found the other one (im sorry its not too good of a picture...i ran out of room on my camera or i would have taken more) around a feeding area semi-buried in hay  :mushroom2:


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Re: can someone ID these please? [Re: omegastone]
    #5515287 - 04/14/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The first one looks like Coprinus disseminatus (sp)
There's no telling with the second. Do they have a persistent ring on the stem?
If you wanna id to species, there's got to be much more detail listed.

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Re: can someone ID these please? [Re: omegastone]
    #5515464 - 04/14/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The reason I wouldn't go with coprinus here, is the uplifted cap margin, the depression in the center of the cap, and white gills. It looks like the mushroom has aged, but the gills haven't darkened like you'd expect a coprinus to.

We would be saved trouble if there was a spore print color like there's supposed to be.

Coprinus disseminatus grows from decaying wood and woody debris. None of the literature that I can find on it mentions anything about manure.

The look of the lower specimens (in the TOP image) reminds me of Marasmius for some reason, a genus that can revive from dry back to wet with the addition of water. The gill attachment doesn't look typical for Marasmius though, so it could very well be another genus - many genera can have small whitish gray mushrooms. It's hard to tell (since there is three pictures in that one image) if the lower one is the same species as the one that appears to have an uplifted cap margin.
Since they are so small IRL, I'd have to have them in my possession to be sure of anything, and not just looking at them from a picture - which doesn't give enough info to go on, rather guess on.
With that lower picture in the first image, the cap appears to be omphaloid, which is common among Marasmius. (omphaloid means a central depression, giving the cap the appearance of a belly-button)
Manure is not a common habitat to find Marasmius in, but some species can and have been known to grow from it.
Again there is not enough info here, those specimens look as though they are dried up, which makes it difficult for us to see what the gills looked like when they were in their prime.

Whether it is a Marasmius or not - I can say for sure it isn't active and probably not a good edible either, so there isn't much use for it unless you are just really interested in identifying and learning about it.

That second picture looks impossible to tell from just looking at the cap surface.


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Re: can someone ID these please? [Re: eris]
    #5515656 - 04/14/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think they look similar to Coprinus plicatilis, which I think is no longer considered a member of Coprinus, although the habitat does not match for them either.


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Re: can someone ID these please? [Re: Pinback]
    #5515704 - 04/14/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Been wondering if the top two are even the same species as the bottom one. I see no way of us even being able to tell:


The ridges on specimens that I pointed to there seem to be pretty spread out - which could suggest that the gills are wide spaced too.
It would be nice if we could see the gills on those bottom ones. :shrug:

Also I see what looks like a blade of grass almost in the background, which could mean they are really tiny. The stem must almost be hair like if that's the case.

If there was some kind of evidence of the gills becoming darker, I'd go with coprinus too - nothing was mentioned about it though (yet).


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Re: can someone ID these please? [Re: eris]
    #5516862 - 04/14/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Once again good eye Louise......These are Coprinus......Coprinus ephemerus......and to Pinhead also as this mushroom is almost identical to Coprinus plicatilis except for the Ephemerus being slightly smaller and occuring on dung, compost, straw, or any combination of those......the reason for the color light color of the gills is that this mushroom has already deliquesed (dispersed its spores) and has so typically as with Plicatilis left a dried, sometimes almost see through remainder of a cap which has become "recurved" (uplifted,curved up and back) and heavely pleated......all three top pics are the same species......as for the single white mushroom on the bottom you need also a close up from the bottom of the shroom.


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Re: can someone ID these please? [Re: shroominDole]
    #5517581 - 04/14/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Very true, shroominDole, all Coprinus species. I'm glad to see a new person around here who knows their shit. Your type is always welcome here. Kudos to you :smile:


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