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OfflineRedNucleus
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My religion is called Panensatanism
    #5513113 - 04/13/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We are all a part of Satan, and Satan is a part of every one of us. And I'm damn proud of it!


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513166 - 04/13/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Rege Satanas!


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5517370 - 04/14/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)







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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5517396 - 04/14/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I realize you're joking, but you're actually correct. Satan is a part of all of us, just as God is.


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: Silversoul]
    #5517819 - 04/15/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I thought that was Abraxas?


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: Silversoul]
    #5518194 - 04/15/06 07:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In a metaphysical sense? I always associated Satan with physical matter.


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: Basilides]
    #5518550 - 04/15/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Basilides said:
In a metaphysical sense? I always associated Satan with physical matter.



See, I don't take that extreme gnostic view of matter. Rather, I associate the physical universe with dualism, which springs forth from the monad.


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: Silversoul]
    #5521031 - 04/16/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
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Basilides said:
In a metaphysical sense? I always associated Satan with physical matter.



See, I don't take that extreme gnostic view of matter. Rather, I associate the physical universe with dualism, which springs forth from the monad.




Got to agree here. Matter is just frozen energy. The Earth split off from the Sun, the Sun was born from energy released from the Big Bang, the Big Bang appeared through the Singularity that Kabbalists call Kether, and Kether is an emanation of Ain Sof Aur - The Limitless Light. Pardon the apparent Pantheism of Kabbalism, but matter derives from the Pleroma. Matter is Mater, Mother, the Maternal Matrix. The Material world (Malkuth - Kingdom) is also God's Shekinah - Indwelling Presence and Bride. It's how you look at it.


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5521116 - 04/16/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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the Big Bang appeared through the Singularity that Kabbalists call Kether, and Kether is an emanation of Ain Sof Aur - The Limitless Light. Pardon the apparent Pantheism of Kabbalism, but matter derives from the Pleroma. Matter is Mater, Mother, the Maternal Matrix. The Material world (Malkuth - Kingdom) is also God's Shekinah - Indwelling Presence and Bride.




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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5521884 - 04/16/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting  :smile:

I always associated matter with evil because a human birth effectively traps Divine Purity in isolation from the Pleroma, although perhaps this is a misunderstood view of manifestation that I've picked up. Although at the same time, I've often associated the process of manifestation as needed; perhaps to add "identity" (of various life experiences) to uncreated pleroma energies?


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: Basilides]
    #5523461 - 04/17/06 03:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I know that I'm a human being made up of the same kind of matter that makes up the universe. Anything more is out of my grasp and is not important anyways. =)

We can all understand what happens to us in life when we give it enough thought. Maybe we don't know exactly why or how, but we know what is - we have a good idea anyways. So what more do you need to know? I would really like some people to show me why I have a spirit or why there is any reason I should define life with a beleif system that cannot be backed up by facts.

I think that people are just finding different ways to explain the same experience. I just happen to think that my explanation is more grounded than most other peoples'.


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: The_Hobbit]
    #5523524 - 04/17/06 05:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think you're identifying with the same kind if life experiences as those who hold metaphysical world views. You're "grounded" because you have not begun to climb the 'tree' or 'ladder' which would give you increasingly elevated perspectives. "Grounded" is square one. There is an Ascent and then a Descent in order to ground and integrate ethereal realms in one's embodied world. But first one has to make the Assent. People do not necessarily pick beliefs out of a hat. In my case, what I 'believe' is a 'provisional description' of a spiritual process. It is an approximation of ineffable experience, translated into concepts for the purpose of communicating something profound and life-altering. I don't 'believe' in mere fictions.



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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5526019 - 04/17/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I know there is a reason why you beleive what you beleive. I just think that you are trusting in things without actually knowing. That could be described as fiction because, even though it's real to you, you cannot prove it to anybody other than yourself.

I don't judge you for that, especially considering the fact that I trust my intuition, too. Some of the things that I know are based on personal experience that is, as you say, ineffable. Experience creates wisdom and we keep building and shaking our foundations to leave only the defined structure of our knowledge.

I just keep in mind that somewhere down at the bottom or the middle, there is some crutch to my structure of knowledge that could be misplaced (a misunderstanding). When that crutch is taken away - everything above it falls. When I think about laying the most sturdy foundation possible, I cannot venture into the realm of spirit and religion without questioning why I would do that. Why would I beleive I have a spirit? I am not convinced by anything so far.


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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: The_Hobbit]
    #5527339 - 04/17/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I feel for you. I do not have a spirit, I am spirit - embodied spirit, but spirit [consciousness] first and foremost. Consciousness (spirit) is no an epiphenomenon of my material being. My brain does not produce consciousness like my kidneys produce urine, and my brain does not and cannot exist independently of the other systems which it co-exists with.

I have made my most important life decisions based upon consciousness, upon transcendence, upon a Wisdom which transcends my own egocentric ideas of what is good or important or desirable, and my life has (despite the pain of disappointment, disease, divorce and death) turned out quite nicely. It is 'as though' God has known me intimately and provided the things I have needed most (not necessarily those that I 'wanted' most). Some of these things are everywhere as good, but undercuts a particular fetish-addiction (e.g., I no longer have a blonde wife [my blonde fetish], but I have a beautiful Black Lady who is mystical, psychedelic, educated, and many other inner things that my mentally ill and alcoholic ex-wife was not. Plus I am not being governed by a fetish). I dropped out of pre-med and became a philosophy major for this. I went to seminary for this. I went to graduate school for this. I married the wrong woman to experience my repressions, to experience pain, to get in touch with my anger and to be healed (though these were not my conscious choices). My career as a counselor in education rather than a physician (with the attending reduction in material rewards) was for the sake of Higher Consciousness. God is Freedom.

So, just as you see some people as believing that they 'have' a spirit instead of being a spirit, you also see that possession as some kind of crutch. I see life completely differently. I am spirit [consciousness] and I see all the toys (possessions) and status trips that mundane people are about as crutches. No one lies upon their death bed and wishes in those moments that they had made more money in life. That is not relevant then, and it is just as irrelevant to anyone who is really alive in the Here and Now. That means someone who lives 'in' the moment, not 'for' the moment. It is not a life lived for mere pleasure, but one lived in moment-to-moment fullfillment. I have gotten lost for years, but I've found myself again, and I learned this lesson during early acid trips at 19 or 20 years of age. I am almost 53 now.



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Re: My religion is called Panensatanism [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5531265 - 04/18/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for your posts. You know that you cannot make me beleive anything, but it helps me to see what you think.

Sometimes I feel like I might be ignoring signs that I have a spirit or that there is a god, but considering how many times I think this or that and then later I think that's wrong.. then it's right.. then it's wrong.. then fuck I just don't know: how can I be certain? I guess I can never be absolutely certain about alot of things.

But the thing that I've come to is that morals are my foundation. To be a good person for myself is important. To be thankful and gracious for my life and all of the things that come to me is good. Who am I being gracious to? I don't know, but I feel that it's right. And I know that I am not perfect. I often lose my way and forget to be aware and to truly take in all of the goodness that I can. It's so easy to do that. However, I don't even care about whether I think something is good or bad. It's just that, if I choose whether or not to judge something, I would rather see it for the positive aspects. Because that's all it is, I beleive. So many times I've had the revolation - there is no good and bad inherently - only I make it so. That being said, I just want to think about life - to know and to be aware. To experience. That is my goal and that's probably the main thing I think all the time. Funny how I have to think about being aware rather than just being it. =) I am trying to hone my logic to the lowest common denominator so I don't waste my time thinking about living, but rather just live! Whatever I can think about to make me live, I will think about that. And when I can notice life and truly be amazed and think about how great it is to me, then I will know why I'm living.


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