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(in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect.
    #5512397 - 04/13/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is my first post, and as i know, Newbs are never really treated equally until they bust out of their first post impressions(will, he post once and leave?..will he become a valued member of the community? etc)


I understand that, but hopefully you guys can enlighten me regarding certain aspects of the beloved mushroom.

Basically, i had my first trip a couple months ago in Amsterdam.
I purcahsed the Mexican Mushrooms from the bulldog energy shop and proceeded to split one box with my gf(also a first timer). This was the recomended dosage, so thats what we did.

I am very interested in purchasing a grow kit(I found someone on ebay who has a perfect rating for the past couple years and has sold dozens of kits).

The trip i had, was PERFECT in my opinion, and I would like to ensure that I have the same experience/dosage/product.

Half a Box of the prepacked amsterdam shrooms (FRESH) was mind blowing, and almost on the verge of being a LITTTLE too intense(but at that perfect level, never crossing it) I beleive i was at level 3. (Patterns on the wall, lost all sense of time, went through emotional phases, laughed so hard a cried, body felt super high..the works-i still had control though i wasnt "gone").

I cant recall how much/many mushrooms that box had, but when i begin to grow, i would like to follow that template and ingest the same amount of the same kind.
As of now, i have NO intentions of taking it further(for my next trip here at home).

So how much do you think i ate? what is the standard weight in a pre packaged box in amsterdam from the bulldog energy shoppe?

please advise as it is greatly appreciated.

I just want to grow my own and experience the same wonder sometime soon. After that, i think ill just leave it as a special gift to myself when i go to amsterdam. But right now, that probably wont happen for another year.

So what im asking for, is any info on growing MEXICAN CUBE (FRESH) and determining the right dosage based on my description.


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5512550 - 04/13/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

a first time grower should stick to p. cubensis in my opinion


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: mungojerry]
    #5512593 - 04/13/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

in my opinion you should avoide these grow kits and do it your self... it's rewarding in many ways but also cheeper (much cheeper) and there's less chance of fucking up (yeah i said less chances to fuck up! because once you know WHAT you're doing and not just following instructions on a box you have much more chances to get it right)

(check out the basic cultivation FAQ for an overviwe on the PF tek... the basic tek to begin with which yealds fine and isn't easy to fuck up)

as far as dosage goes... you're most likely not going to hit that sweet spot exectly! you'd better be ready to either be disapointed next time or blowen away (you might actualy be able to reach it but not by intention) the set/setting, specific mushroom, mood and lots of over thing all have to do with the effectiveness of your dose and hence the power of the trip.

read a few reports on erowid.org (and generally look around the mushroom vault) to get a better idea on dosages...
in generall (and again... this varies from person to person and situation to situation) 1.5-2.5 grams of a cubensis mushrooms is a recriational dose 2.5-3.5 can be over that spot you felt comfratable in and above that most people report achiving "full effect"
this isn't that accurte as you can see but really just to give a generall idea

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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: mungojerry]
    #5512597 - 04/13/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can find all the info you need and more on this site.. Just make yourself at home and browse arouns :thumup:

Recommended dosage for a first timer can vary from .75 to 2. grams DRY.


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: mungojerry]
    #5512598 - 04/13/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

not sure about the post above but there are a number of cube strains originating from mexico...

anyway, i'd suggest skipping the ebay thing and check out the standard beginners "PF Tek" method - although I'd reccomend actually following the "Magic Mushroom Growers Guide" in the cultivation section of this site (they're basically the same method, but the MMGG is more up to date and works better IMO) - the "grow kits" you find on eBay are just people following these exact same steps up to a point and shipping you the half finished product minus the spores... if you do it yourself you're self sufficient forever... if you got more money than time though or have a hard time locating ingredients there's nothing wrong with getting pre-made substrate jars. check through the sponors section of this site too, many of them sell the same items. may i also suggest sporeworks when it comes time to get spores! (they carry a couple mexican strains, although all strains are generally similar besides their physical characteristics, and other little quirks here or there)

I'd wager you ate about 25-30 grams (30g fresh = approx 3g dry, seems reasonable there would be 50g total in a package as its a nice round number!), but every cube is different, ever person is different, and every set/setting plays a big role in how your trip pans out. there's also a dosage calculator on the site that you can search around for, I forget where exactly it is... but its pretty accurate.

and of course the mushrooms you grow yourself will be fresh, they don't pop out of the cakes pre-dried. :-)

good luck and welcome


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: creamcorn]
    #5512611 - 04/13/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

3. grams dry for a first timer is way too much. stick in the vicinity of 1 or 2 for your first couple of trips


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: DICK]
    #5512678 - 04/13/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you so much for all your responses.
This would be my second time shrooming, and yes the atmosphere in amsterdam on vacation was a perfect setting.

Since Ienjoyed that trip so much, i would like to at least play it safe and follow the same steps (fresh, not dry). Im still trying to figure out how much i ate there. It was a tiny plastic box from the bulldog shop, and i was told to eat half(my gf ate the other).

Any idea how much that could have been? Im curious what level or dosage i hit.

and isnt pb cube and mexicanthe same? Based on what i saw at grasscity.com, i was under the impression that it was.

***Link to grow kit deleted***

PPS- and as for atmosphere, i agree. Im sure being on vacation played a large role, so if i do it at home, i would probably want to be somewhere new. Not home, maybe a beach i havent been to...or someplace like that....keep the mind fresh...and free.




***Link to grow kit deleted***
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Edited by Roadkill (04/14/06 09:54 AM)


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: DICK]
    #5512892 - 04/13/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

DICK said:
3. grams dry for a first timer is way too much. stick in the vicinity of 1 or 2 for your first couple of trips




I dont allways agree with that, for me and all my friends at least the less shrooms you take the more heady and thought-weird the trip is, if its intense your so caught up in the wtf that you never notice.. all the people I have broken into have had major life changing experiences munching a 8th, putting on some weirdish mellow music, and putting on a blindfold..

pretty much just follow the instructions all those therapists left on those long forgotten lsd tests and you wake up kissing the world.


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5512916 - 04/13/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

it depends.... there are two diffrent kinds of mexican shrooms...

did they look like these:


or these?



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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: Simisu]
    #5512953 - 04/13/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

welcome to the shroomery

as far as your dose, i would recommend you keep it under 3 grams until you feel comfortable pushing it farther.


Edited by futurewolf42o (04/13/06 05:00 PM)


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: Simisu]
    #5514976 - 04/14/06 07:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

simisu said:
it depends.... there are two diffrent kinds of mexican shrooms...

did they look like these:


or these?






The Second Pic.


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5515015 - 04/14/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, those are just regular cubes, you can grow those easily with pf tek, don't bother with a kit.... growing yourself will cost next to nothing


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5515309 - 04/14/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

then i'd go with creamcorns guess that your dose was about 2.5 gram dry
but again it's just a guess and it doesn't matter anyway :smirk:


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5515319 - 04/14/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds great.
I will continue to research the growing process.
Thanks.


As for dosage(i know this isnt the place, but im still trying to figure out how much i ate on my first trip.
I would like to ingest possibly a little less..(slightly).

so what is the standard amount in a prepackaged box of cubes sold in amsterdam. I said we were first timers, and he told us (my gf and I) to split the box(i'm repeating the details for those who are too lazy to go back and read my previous posts).

So how much did i ingest on that first trip? and would my home grown batch be stronger or weaker?

once again,

thank you for all your help.


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5515341 - 04/14/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You probably got a 30 gram (wet/fresh)box of Mexican Cubes...from that smart shop.

the boxes do come in several sizes though.

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please don't post links to grow kits that are on Ebay or anywhere...
just give discriptions of what you are looking at in the future.

most grow kits are a waste of money...
you can make them yourself for usually half the price.


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5515350 - 04/14/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

your questions are simply irrelevent... do some more reading and you'll start to get a hang for the dosage.
the best way to go about it is to start on a low dose with each new batch you grow and test it out.
only then will you be able to avaluate a certine dose...

don't be too worried about the dose! you'll work it out by the time you get your shrooms


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5515359 - 04/14/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

awesome, so based on your assumption, i ingested 15g fresh which would = 1.5 dry.
Very enjoyable (until my gf passed out on me, and left me alone in the room while she slept..lol) then i just didnt know what i wanted.

You guys are great. thanks.


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5515366 - 04/14/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

double post.


Edited by GSxx83 (04/14/06 10:00 AM)


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5515367 - 04/14/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

PS- sorry about posting the link to the growkit. Wasnt aware it was frowned upon.


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Re: (in search of wisdown)Newb bringing nothing but love and respect. [Re: GSxx83]
    #5515382 - 04/14/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Now just wait until you get your own , from SCRATH.

Really great feeling, even if it isn't pyscho-active :smirk:

Take care man, and good luck :thumbup:

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