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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5518663 - 04/15/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Saddam never was one to abide by... well... anything.


You're missing the point. The invasion of Iraq wasn't a UN operation. It was US. Therefore it is irrelevant whether he abided or not.

Your argument is as silly as saying that because Israel hasn't abided by dozens of UN resolutions that gives any country in the world the right to invade them. Garbage.




I was just making small talk with that comment. It was tongue-in-cheek.  :grin:


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5518673 - 04/15/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

As far as I'm concerned, every country in the world has the "right" to invade any other country they see fit.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Luddite]
    #5518676 - 04/15/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Would you support an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel for being the leading violator of UN resolutions? Are the suicide bombings justified?


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5518681 - 04/15/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There's a difference. Saddam agreed to abide by the resolutions levied against Iraq. Israel did not agree to abide by the resolutions levied against it.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5518684 - 04/15/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Is that your argument? I am having difficulty comprehending the logic behind it.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: bukkake]
    #5518699 - 04/15/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Is that your argument? I am having difficulty comprehending the logic behind it.




Note that I never said that I supported the sanctions against Iraq or that I supported the actions of Israel.

But, there is a difference when one agrees to do something and when one doesn't agree to do something. When one agrees to do something they are more obligated to do it in my opinion.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5518701 - 04/15/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There's a difference. Saddam agreed to abide by the resolutions levied against Iraq.

Whatever. It's for the UN to decide if UN resolutions have been broken and what response should follow. Not George Bush.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5518737 - 04/15/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on how you view the matter) UN Resolutions means about as much as the UN does.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5518761 - 04/15/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It's for the UN to decide if UN resolutions have been broken and what response should follow. Not George Bush.




Good point. It is stupid to say that "Saddam didn't obey UN resolutions" and then circumvent that same agency when it comes to deciding what to do about it. It does seem kind of hypocritical.

I still stand by my assertion that a person or a nation is more obligated to obey something if they agree to it as opposed to not agreeing to it.

And Redstorm is right. The UN is pathetic.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5518762 - 04/15/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There's got to be some semblance of logic about it this tho. You can't use UN resolutions as an excuse to invade whoever you want. The whole idea of the UN in the first place is to get away from that.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5518773 - 04/15/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:shrug:

I don't agree with how we use the UN. If it were up to me, it wouldn't even exist.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5518848 - 04/15/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on how you view the matter) UN Resolutions means about as much as the UN does.




Hehe...

this is a good point. The UN has about as much authority to police the world as I do :lol:


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5518858 - 04/15/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You actually may have m ore power. At least you you are really determined to take somone out, you could hop on a plane, buy a gun in the foreign country, and pop the target.

In the UN, they have to debate for days and most likely any sort of action will get vetoed in the Security Council. Even if it doesn't, and a Resolution is created, it won't be enforced (or it will be selectively).


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5518865 - 04/15/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Now let's not diss the UN's authority too much. They have written some VERY stern letters before.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5518870 - 04/15/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5518931 - 04/15/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You actually may have m ore power. At least you you are really determined to take somone out, you could hop on a plane, buy a gun in the foreign country, and pop the target.


I don't think it's quite as easy as that.

Maybe for Sir Tripalot it might be.. :laugh:


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5518934 - 04/15/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, it may have been a bit of an exaggeration. You get the point, though. :wink:


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5519056 - 04/15/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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You actually may have m ore power. At least you you are really determined to take somone out, you could hop on a plane, buy a gun in the foreign country, and pop the target.


I don't think it's quite as easy as that.

Maybe for Sir Tripalot it might be.. :laugh:




Well, it's not that easy of course... if it was then Castro would have already been killed 12 times before he hit the ground :tongue:

Still though, a rogue individual does technically have more ability to act than the UN does. Not only are they mired in a global-scale bureaucracy, but they were never actually given any real authority anyways. The worst they can do is ask nations to enact an embargo on someone. And the bad thing about that is that often times the embargo is ineffective against the regime, and just makes the general populace of the target nation descend into suffering instead


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5519082 - 04/15/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The UN acted in the first gulf war didn't they?


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5519143 - 04/15/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, but what did it accomplish?


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