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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5513708 - 04/13/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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At Nuremberg German leaders were hanged for ?the planning, preparation, initiation, or waging of a war of aggression?.

George Bush planned and initiated a war of aggression in Iraq. Same crime so why wasn't Bush hanged like his German counterparts?




Ok, now I understand that a lot of people can't help but blow things out of proportions once they get the idea in their head that they really hate a politician, but that statement is silly. I mean, it's actually folly.

1- In america, we don't kill people unless they've literally killed another person with their own hands.
2- The nuremburg trials had to do with people who were willfull participants in a government that intentionally killed civilians, and went out of their way to commit genocide.
3- George W. Bush is not the worst president in american history. So far, we've had worse presidents, and even they weren't relegated to being executed by an impulsive lynch mob.
4- You, on the other hand, are suggesting the unjust execution of a politician. How are you any better than him, at that point? Even if he actually were as bad a person as you somehow beleive he is, you don't look much better when you say he should be hung.

When you think about politics, you need to be careful to think about things logically, instead of just following your impulses and emotions. I'm sure a lot of Bush's political rivals would like you to beleive in these extremes, because you're more likely to vote for them if you do... but perhaps you should think with a more level head.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5514613 - 04/14/06 01:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Since there is no evidence of conspiracy, crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity (the charges at the Nuremberg Trials) or a push to have a trail to begin with, this will remain a pipe dream for you.


No evidence of crimes against peace? What do you call planning and waging aggressive war?

Here's the crimes. Can you tell me which one George Bush hasn't been guilty of in Iraq?

(a) Crimes against Peace: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a Common Plan or Conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing;
(b) War Crimes: namely, violations of the laws or customs of war. Such violations shall include, but not be limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity;
(c) Crimes against Humanity: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war,14 or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of domestic law of the country where perpetrated.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5514625 - 04/14/06 01:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

- The nuremburg trials had to do with people who were willfull participants in a government that intentionally killed civilians, and went out of their way to commit genocide.


As I've pointed out the Nuremberg trials were about people who planned and waged aggressive war. Look at the crimes against peace and tell me where George Bush doesn't qualify for execution.

- You, on the other hand, are suggesting the unjust execution of a politician.

So are you saying the Nuremburg trials were unjust? Read the definition of a crime against peace which german leaders were hanged for. Are you denying George Bush has committed exactly the same crime?

but perhaps you should think with a more level head.

Sit down with your level head and explain to me why George Bush can commit the same crime as his german counterparts and not be hanged as they were.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5514681 - 04/14/06 02:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

People have allready explained what you are trying to say... and you also somehow horribly misunderstood part of what I said...


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5515365 - 04/14/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Alex213 likes to revise history to fit his biased viewpoint on the war of Iraq. Keep in mind, that even in jest, referring to the hanging of President Bush, is not in my opinion,protected speech.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5515374 - 04/14/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Are you sure? I thought all speech was covered other than speech that would lead to immediate lawless action.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5515384 - 04/14/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wouldn't the new war in Iraq just be the end to a cease-fire created at the end of the first Gulf War? I'm not sure I support this argument, but it is one way to say Bush didn't start a war of aggression. He was just continuing one.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5515391 - 04/14/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There was an armistice after the first Gulf War. Saddam broke this, thus the conflict began again.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5515407 - 04/14/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He is borderline on a threat, so its a judgment call. It is clear to say however, that it does attract attention to this forum that could be detrimental. You think that no one in the government monitors those types of comments? Not in the days of the Patriot Act.....


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5516015 - 04/14/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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He is borderline on a threat, so its a judgment call. It is clear to say however, that it does attract attention to this forum that could be detrimental. You think that no one in the government monitors those types of comments? Not in the days of the Patriot Act.....




You are sticking up for a government that you are obviously scared of. I think the Patriot Act is enough of a breach of the constitution for Bush to get hanged. He is setting the standard for corruption that hopefully will be stopped after his departure from office.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: ACN45]
    #5516081 - 04/14/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I think the Patriot Act is enough of a breach of the constitution for Bush to get hanged.




Even assuming for the sake of argument that parts of the Patriot Act are unconstitutional (and to date we have exactly zero appellate court rulings saying this is the case), why do you believe Bush should be hanged for it? Bush didn't write the act. He didn't introduce the act to Congress. Congress passed -- OVERWHELMINGLY -- the Act.

If you want to advocate hanging all Congressmen who voted for it, that's a different story.



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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5516567 - 04/14/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Wouldn't the new war in Iraq just be the end to a cease-fire created at the end of the first Gulf War?




This is 100% correct, which cease fire contract was not abided to by Saddam.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5516747 - 04/14/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Saddam never was one to abide by... well... anything.

The only rules saddam followed were guidelines about being an efficient dictator.

When it came to international affairs, I think he really enjoyed being a giant pain in the ass. Think about it, didn't he always seem to be TRYING to piss people off?


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5516765 - 04/14/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think he was trying to be a pain in the ass by getting rid of all the weapons of mass destruction. Unless he knew Bush wanted war and was just trying to throw a wrench in things.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5517515 - 04/14/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I wonder that myself. Scandal after scandal, lie after lie, and nothing. I am beginning to believe Americans are just fucking stupid. Sheep people.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5517692 - 04/15/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Alex213 likes to revise history to fit his biased viewpoint on the war of Iraq. Keep in mind, that even in jest, referring to the hanging of President Bush, is not in my opinion,protected speech.

Presumably you're dodging the crimes against peace question because you know it's true.

And speaking of people who rewrite history, you're the one who claims there was such a thing as the invasion of Pearl Harbour.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5517714 - 04/15/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wouldn't the new war in Iraq just be the end to a cease-fire created at the end of the first Gulf War? I'm not sure I support this argument, but it is one way to say Bush didn't start a war of aggression. He was just continuing one.

No, the ceasefire at the end of the first Gulf war was a UN resolution. Only the UN can decide whether this has been broken or not and what response they wish to make. They never felt an invasion of Iraq was justified.

Even Bush didn't argue "the ceasefire" angle because he knew no-one would take it seriously. The lies that Iraq had WMD were dreamed up so the war could be theoretically be described as "defensive".


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5518083 - 04/15/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Saddam never was one to abide by... well... anything.


You're missing the point. The invasion of Iraq wasn't a UN operation. It was US. Therefore it is irrelevant whether he abided or not.

Your argument is as silly as saying that because Israel hasn't abided by dozens of UN resolutions that gives any country in the world the right to invade them. Garbage.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Alex213]
    #5518361 - 04/15/06 09:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Since Saddam Hussein violated the UN resolutions, it gave the US the right to invade Iraq.


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Re: Why hasn't Bush been hanged? [Re: Luddite]
    #5518656 - 04/15/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Are you serious? Israel has violated dozens of UN resolutions. Does that give any country the right to invade Israel?


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