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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5517739 - 04/15/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Each individual coin ofcourse has 50-50 and it doesn't matter if it is the first or the last tossed.

thats what i think the people dissagreeing with you have been saying all along.


You are confused but it's ok. We are talking about normal conditions here and not whether the ball has been twicked to stay at red. You could add-in that factor but we never talked about that.


but im saying that while its certainly true that the odds of it comming up red 14 consecutive are very slim, once it has already come up red 13 times then the odds of it comming up red or black on the next toss are still 50/50.

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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: porcupine]
    #5517778 - 04/15/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The total odds of this happenning are 1/2^14 which are very low. Now, I will not continue this playing with words that you do, you can play all you like on your own. And I have expained myself lots of times, go read all the posts carefully.


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5518047 - 04/15/06 05:40 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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. And the only reason you guys get stick in this one coin is 50-50 is most probably because you don't know more about statistics and possibilities.




Um, no, it is because of the fact that you personally stated that one coin flip isn't always 50/50.

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No, mate it's not a 50% chance every time. The second time you throw a coin, the change to get heads again is 25%, the third time is 12.5% and so on...




You later on state that it is a 50/50 chance all the time.

Now, I ask you, who is playing with words here? :lol: Don't act as though the people who are debating this with you "simply don't understand probability and statistics". In the beginning of this debate, you assuredly proclaimed that each flip is not a 50/50 chance all of the time.

Instead of writing us all off as being confused, or not understanding, why don't you reread the thread and simply admit that, at first, you were either unintentionally or intentionally wrong?

Simple, and easy. :smirk:

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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5518164 - 04/15/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, I also still read you that after the come out of some 'unbalanced' possibilities, a mystical force will pull the next throws to the expected average outcome. That is only true for large, unpredictable numbers, as I said already. If you bring small and large numbers too near together, you will fall for the illusion, that the outbalancing event should follow quite immediately after the occurring imbalance. That is not true.
You know, 10 times throwing head in a row is 0.5^10 = 0.0009767... that means 1/1024 (for a ten time throwing package).
Now you will need (approximately) 1024 more (of ten time packages, that makes 10240 single) throws again to get the outbalancing counterthrow of 10 times throwing numbers. Will you say after 10000 throws, when it occurs "Wow, I have promised that !"
No, because the chances are equally high to get 10 heads again :wink:
The higher the number of throws, the nearer the average sum of chances approximate to .5. Finally, with a number of unlimited throws, it will be exactly .5. Only then it is the same like with one throw :wink:


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5518339 - 04/15/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"Shroomerious said:
No, mate it's not a 50% chance every time. The second time you throw a coin, the change to get heads again is 25%, the third time is 12.5% and so on...
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I meant the total possibilities and there was absolutely no reason for you to think that I meant the individual coin since it didn't matter at all. You just wanted ta play smart... that's it. Now, I think I had enough of this debate, I'll go on with my work and leave you people to play with words...intentionally or unintentionally


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5519314 - 04/15/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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No, mate it's not a 50% chance every time. The second time you throw __a__ coin, the change to get heads again is 25%, the third time is 12.5% and so on..."

I meant the total possibilities and there was absolutely no reason for you to think that I meant the individual coin




Yeah, I wonder where anyone got the idea that you were talking about a single coin... :rolleyes: :smirk:

It's OK to admit you were wrong.


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: trendal]
    #5519353 - 04/15/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

howcome you never answered my PMs trendal?

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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: porcupine]
    #5519556 - 04/15/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just checked and I don't have any PMs from you  :confused:


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: trendal]
    #5519667 - 04/15/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ok let me send you a test PM and see if it works, alright?

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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: porcupine]
    #5519675 - 04/15/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ok i sent you a test PM, reply to it and also lemme know if you got it on here in case i dont get your reply or in case you havent gotten it.

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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: trendal]
    #5519763 - 04/15/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

And that is the reason I am pissed off. Why would I ever talk about a single coin? I thought I was talking to people who understand some things but as it turned out lots of people here just want to show off. I have deepened quite a lot in this particular science because of my work and think of some things as self explanatory. Although one does not have to deepen much to understand that I couldn't possibly be talking about an individual coin. As I said before, for some reason some people here like to play with words and it is normal for a spirituality and philosophy forum really...I shouldn't get angry. That is what I want to say and some of you may want to think about it.


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5519840 - 04/15/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

And that is the reason I am pissed off. Why would I ever talk about a single coin?

I don't know, why wouldn't you?

You said "The second time you throw a coin, the change to get heads again is 25%" which is not correct. You said "a coin". How were we supposed to take it any differently than you meaning one coin?

Exactness in communication is a necessity, if you wish to be understood.


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: trendal]
    #5519849 - 04/15/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I answered already. I meant the overall chance because saying that about a single coin not only is it ridiculous but also besides the point.


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5520090 - 04/16/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

but you didnt say it cleary. its not our fault if you dont express your self clearly. in math it can make all the difference how you word something.

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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: porcupine]
    #5520175 - 04/16/06 02:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Give the guy a damn break, sheesh.


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5520181 - 04/16/06 02:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Give the guy a damn break, sheesh.



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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5520425 - 04/16/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Give the guy a damn break, sheesh.




Maybe he should give himself a break and understand exactly why everyone was under the impression that he meant something that he (may or may not have) meant. Its one thing to simply say "yeah, I didn't mean to say that, I understand why you have all thought that", and it is an entirely different thing to say "you guys play with words, I didn't mean that, duh, who would mean that, you guys don't understand, blah blah blah blah blah".

Fucking christ, let's not accuse others of playing games with words when it is oneself who isn't even correctly using words, eh? Don't be shocked when people read what you said as being what you said, not as what you actually meant. :lol:

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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5520509 - 04/16/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I take some things as standards. No reason not to. The fact that you tried to make a point out of something so simple shows something about you, not me. For me, it's like saying "I am going for a walk" and you saying "will you use both of your legs?".


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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5520521 - 04/16/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I take some things as standards. No reason not to. The fact that you tried to make a point out of something so simple shows something about you, not me. For me, it's like saying "I am going for a walk" and you saying "will you use both of your legs?".




Yes, it shows something about you in that you failed to effectively use one's words to convey the precise meaning that you suspossedly intended. The fact that myself and others had to continously repeat this simple point until you eventually admitted that you weren't saying what you actually said is quite revealing.

You continue to subtly attack others who were involved in investigating into the precise meaning instead of simply admitting your mistake. Hey man, no one gives a shit about anyone else's self-held image, so you can just relax and not worry that you made a mistake. Simple.

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Re: why investigate prayer in the first place? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5520527 - 04/16/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Right, using the same words, with my colleagues I never had a problem because as I said some things are quite obvious. You tried to make a point out of nothing and as it seems you are not going to admit it. I am tired of this, so I say we finish spending our time on it.


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