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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513667 - 04/13/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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First of all why the heck does bush think his god has an opinion on stem cell research?




Because the stem cells are collected from aborted fetuses.

Fundamental Christanity - Pro Life - Agansit Stem Cell Research

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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5513689 - 04/13/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm pro life and death, my way is best.


I don't think you guys fully understand the problem I have with medical technology. I just think that it is a waist of time and ridiculous for your (or my) grandpa to have three organ transplants and 7 open heart surgeries just so he can sit in his recliner watching price is right and soaking up social security checks and racking up enormous medical bills for tax payers to pay for.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513750 - 04/13/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

And what of the newly born baby with a bad heart?

The more advanced medical technology becomes, the less the scenario you describe will exist, and the more youthful individuals will be granted more time to truly experience life.

And what the fuck do you have agansit Bob Barker? :mad:

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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5513772 - 04/13/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A new born baby with a bad heart should be fixed, unless its needed for research purposes  :smirk:.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513787 - 04/13/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:lol:

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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Diploid]
    #5514085 - 04/13/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you think that the world would be a "better place" if there was no belief in a higher power, spirituality, or blind faith....?

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Well, we wouldn't have:

-Suicide bombers

-Witch burnings at the hands of the Catholics

-Endless killing in Northern Ireland

-Genocide in Rwanda

-War in Bosnia-Herzegovina

-Civil war in Sudan

-Extreme, radical fundamentalist Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan

-Fragile peace in Bosnia holding only due to the presence of UN peacekeepers

-Ivory Coast murders of Muslims at the hands of the government

-Fragile peace in Cyprus holding only due to the presence of UN peacekeepers

-Ongoing conflict in India among Animists, Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs

-Fighting between Christians and Muslims in Ambon Province in India

-Repeated killings over Kashmir by Hindus and Muslims who both claim it on religious grounds

-Hundreds of people in South Africa murdered each year for being witches

-Poor Galileo would not have been inquisitioned and threatened with torture if he didn't denounce his earlier claim that Jupiter has moons. The old scientist was was sentenced to life in prison anyway.

-And Ahmadinejad, Iran's leader, would not believe a divine Saviour known as the Mahdi will appear on Earth after a worldwide cataclysm and be developing nuclear weapons for the purpose of starting World War 3 and hastening His arrival.

So, uhm... yeah, the world WOULD be a better place without mysticism.




But hey, if it helps a few weak-minded sheep to better stomach reality then it's all worth it in the end, right?


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5514143 - 04/13/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The problem is that we are talking about the majority of the earth's population. Could be that some of us will need that in the future. You know as you grow old, you get so saturated with all that shit in the world where you start to look for alternate ways to make you feel better even if they are not true. And what better than Christianism for example? You have the majority of the earth's population to back you up too! I say, erase christianism and create Love. Now that I think of it...yeah why not? That way you could say for example..."My parents raised me to be a lover!!!" lolollol


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5514282 - 04/13/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I feel that anti-depressants are a safer alternative.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5516702 - 04/14/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You people and your simple minds.

First off the bible is taught wrong and this is why organized religion thinks it knows better than God, or Jesus.

THe very existence of Churches are against the teachings of both the new and old Testaments.

"Lift a stone and you will find me, turn a leaf and I am there" Doesnt say anythisgn about finding him in a building does it?

When Jesus is resurrected and he comes back to show his apostles one of them kneels to Jesus. Jesus says something liek this "Stop and worship God even as I do." Jesus explicitly said do not worship him.

"Worship in your closet" or something like that is also in the bible. kinda rules out churches again.



God doesnt promote the denegration of Women. It does says that women should be submisive to men I know, but again it is taught wrong its not saying all women should always be submissive to men. Its saying when you truly love someone and marry them then the woman should want do what the man asks her because of her love, not because its Gods laws. Again a man wrote the bible but I'm pretty sure that the same goes for guys and their ladys wants.

Some of the men in the bible did denigrate women, but show me where it says God supports them.

The multiple wive thing(if it bothers you) was how we evoloved man, the alpha male gets to mate with all females in teh tribe. Hence you have that translating into early society as the powerful men having multiple wives. We have grown out of that now, and the bible never says a man should have many wives, he only said he rewarded you.

I assume you people take offense to leviticus and the old laws. Well they are just that, they arent Gods laws and punishments they were the laws that Moses had to come up with to keep his new nation of Isreal together. All nations have rules, and not everyone is gonna like them. look at us whining all the time because our drugs are illegal.

Lastly NOWHERE in teh bible does it mention drugs of any sort(there is some evidence that cannibus was mistranslated as CALAMUS, if true then the bible is actually supporting use of drugs.) So stop saying it is against them.

Alcohol is actually spoken of well the story of Abrahams son(cant remember which one) taking on a high position in Egypt there is a line something like "And they drank well, and it was good." Ive read almost all of the bible and havent seen "no drinking on sundays" Im pretty sure that was just a blue law and added onto our list of things we do in thinking we know better than God. IF God has nothign to say on a subject then its probrobly not wrong.

Lastly the bible is NOT against other religions. I'm sure youll say otherwise based on "thou shalt have no other God but me" commandment but your wrong. If you fully understand the Idea of one God, then you realize that if there is only One and it has always been. then all the other times people have spoken to God or seen him must have been THE God. In other words if you get the One God thing then you see that ALL religions are worshiping the same Guy. Just in different ways. about the only worship they talk about in the bible is their sacrifices and offerings.

On a side note about teh sacrifices(animal cruelty some some would call it I'm sure) You have to understand the people who carried them out. they were hunters and as such saw everyday the death of animals. When a animal say a deer or something dies you can almost see its soul in its eyes as life fades from it. I'm pretty sure that its no coincidence that early man saw it as a way to connect with God. Again grown out of it. Not relevent really.

Another thing you see alot early on as far as worship is so and so built an altar in the wilderness and burnt it. I'm pretty sure they are talking about building a bonfire. Sounds like we liked sitting around a big fire even back then.

Just because poeple use the bible for their own gains does not taint the thing itself.

IF there was no bible then I would think the kind of poeple who would use the bible for evil, would still be doing evil and most likely they will have some other thing with which to pass on their guilt to. In a God less world you would most likely have a strong sense of Nationalism(this is what China has instead of religion) it is not communism(though communism requires it). Nationalism is the like love and comrodery felt by those who believe in God, without morals of course.

You guys seem to think the bible warps our minds into wanting to do these evil things. I see it as evil people being crafty little bastards at finding ways to exploit things.

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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: blaze2]
    #5516802 - 04/14/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

First off the bible is taught wrong and this is why organized religion thinks it knows better than God, or Jesus.

This is exactly the attitude that leads to 'The List' I wrote in the second post to this thread: "my religion is THE religion and yours is wrong".

Once you've psychologically established that to yourself, it's not far to conflict, killing, war, genocide, and all the rest.

This is why mysticism sucks. It is dysfunctional. Everyone makes up whatever the hell they want, then accuses everyone else of being wrong and take personally any critique of their beliefs when they're shown to be nonsense.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: blaze2]
    #5516821 - 04/14/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"its not saying all women should always be submissive to men. Its saying when you truly love someone and marry them then the woman should want do what the man asks her because of her love, not because its Gods laws."

bull. it doesnt say all that windy stuff with all those provisos. it says very plainly in gen 3:16, "thou shalt be under thy husband's power, and he shall have dominion over thee."

All the extra explanation you added is plain old not there.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5520698 - 04/16/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly thats why simple minded fools cannot understand the bible there is at least 3 or 4 layers to everything in teh bible(and all religious texts probrobly). The ancient Jews knew this and even devoloped a system for studying the bible called

Acronym "PARDS"
Pardes literally means a "Garden" or Arbor in Persian, but was borrowed into Hebrew to describe the paradise of the Garden of Eden. This story would seem to be about entering that garden, but in actuality the "Garden"/Pardes, was really a Hebrew Acronym! for the four kinds of religious interpretation. Here is the acronym:

Term Letter Term Meaning
1. P Peshat = Simple and often Literal meaning
2. R Ramez(Remez)= Metaphorical meaning, or "meaning hinted at in the text"(allegorical meaning)3
3. D Drash(derush) = Allegorical meaning, also "midrashic or homiletic meaning"(moral meaning)
4. S Sod = Secret, "mystical," or Esoteric meaning (anagogical)(Kanjin)

You cannot stop at the literal meaning, even though it the base that all further meanings build upon.

In this case.

God says " thou shalt be under thy husband's power, and he shall have dominion over thee"

But Do you think that God didn't get human love? That he didnt realize that someone whom you truly love you will do anything for them. If your best friend needed your help fixing a car for example would you tell him no, or help? its human nature to help each other.

most women are under their mans power and arent afraid to use their man for physical protection. Most men dont mind doing that either. its been that way since the beginning of humanity.

Again he did say women are under their husbands dominion, but you have to remember that the bible was not written by a woman it was written by a man. and men have a bad habit of writing what THEY think instead of what GOD tells them.

Open your eyes man. Even you who are against religion because you feel they lie, are falling for the lies. You let them define things for you, instead of defining things for yourself. peace

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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Diploid]
    #5520784 - 04/16/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Why do you all think old people go to church? They know they are getting ready to die and its scary so they try to believe in heaven and jesus and shit to try and calme themselves.

95% of you non believers will be praying and proclaiming your love for jesus when you are on youre death beds.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5520800 - 04/16/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Imagine there's no Heaven, it's easy if you try. No Hell below us. Above us, only sky.
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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5522664 - 04/16/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Why do you all think old people go to church? They know they are getting ready to die and its scary so they try to believe in heaven and jesus and shit to try and calme themselves.

95% of you non believers will be praying and proclaiming your love for jesus when you are on youre death beds.




If you really think that justifying belief because people who are afraid of death try to calm themselves through it, your blinding yourself horribly to the truth.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5526814 - 04/17/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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"Do you honestly think that all that killing would stop just because religion/spirituality/God was gone, or would the killing just be done for a different reason(s)....?"
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If all that killing would be done for different reasons, then all those suicide bombings and september 11th would be done for different reasons. This is not the case.




I can see that it is not the case and I am not arguing it....


Let me remind what the actual topic/question of the thread is....
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So I will ask a hypothetical question just to see what it turns into.....
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Do you think that the world would be a "better place" if there was no belief in a higher power, spirituality, or blind faith....?
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Just speaking about general human moral here, do you think the changes in beliefs of ALL people in such a manner would be a positive, negative, or neutral (in general), and why....?





It is pretty funny when you ask a simple question that might trigger imaginative responses about there being no religion/spirituality/God,
and all you get is mostly (but not all) responses about how religion "is a bad bad thing" and responsible for everything bad....    :shake:

If it is so bad, with nothing good about it, what would it be like if it didn't exist....? 
Do you think things would be better or worse had religion/spirituality/God never "existed", and why...?


***He laughs as if the actual question might be answered...!*** :lol:


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5527821 - 04/18/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Tell me the method you would use to vanish religion and I'll answer your question. Don't say if it never had existed because at some point it would, it's human nature. Anyway, it would be very difficult to not exist.

Edit: If we were to take this question extremely hypothetically, I'd say it would be about the same. People would kill in the name of something else(freedom), people wouldn't get killed for what they believe(wiccans),people wouldn't have religion to set a limit to how bad they can behave, we would have more awareness but more sensitive people, like it or not. In the very long term future, our race would adapt to it I suppose and we would be both very aware og things and also emotionally strong.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5530743 - 04/18/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Tell me the method you would use to vanish religion and I'll answer your question. Don't say if it never had existed because at some point it would, it's human nature. Anyway, it would be very difficult to not exist.




The method I would use is my imagination, just like you did in the following:
Quote:

Edit: If we were to take this question extremely hypothetically, I'd say it would be about the same. People would kill in the name of something else(freedom), people wouldn't get killed for what they believe(wiccans),people wouldn't have religion to set a limit to how bad  they can behave, we would have more awareness but more sensitive people, like it or not. In the very long term future, our race would adapt to it I suppose and we would be both very aware of things and also emotionally strong.




This is the kind of imaginative answer I was kinda~ looking for - from different points of view....!  :smile:  :thumbup:

I also agree with your first part, it *seems* to be human nature to think that there is something greater than thou that created us for a purpose/reason....
Making a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" in believing in something specific (as it relates to being with or without the existance of religion)....

Thus, there is always that great search for a "meaning to life", and the ever evading "why is there life" question....
There are various answers to each of these questions, it just depends on the philosophy/spirituality/religion you may or may not subscribe to....

I just get tired of the same-o-same-o- of people always finger-pointing/blaming religion/spirituality for everything bad in the world.... 
---To which most of those people don't seem to express their point of view in these types of threads for some reason...?  :shrug:

I am pretty sure that if you take religion/spirituality/blind faith out of the equation completely,
you would have different problems than there are now for different reasons....
Those problems **might** be on the same level as today's problems, and they very well **might** be worse....


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5531581 - 04/18/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah we're just speculating. i admit


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #6624280 - 03/01/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

there would be conflict between the atheists over what to call it, southpark :laugh:


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