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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5512674 - 04/13/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you didn't believe your post would go through and be read, why did you type it?

Because, based on previous experience, it seems that it probably would go through. Although, I've also had posts that didn't go through due to connect errors.

What good are facts if we don't believe them?

Probabilities based on the amount of evidence we currently have available.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5512681 - 04/13/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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NO! People would actually realize that when things get rough, the proper response is to DO something instead of wringing their hands, dropping to their knees, and asking the imaginary genie for more wishes! The very fact that people turn to religion for help when they are in need is a tragedy. If people didn't expect God to provide, they wouldn't blame nonbelievers for getting in the way of His provisions.




I agree to an extent. I don't think an old woman taking comfort in the belief that her dead husband is in heaven is necessarily tragic. But it is often unfortunate that people throw their hands up in the air and shut down, leaving it "in God's hands."


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Fospher]
    #5512692 - 04/13/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I was using Opera browser and the quick reply link does not work. I ended up replying to the most recent post when i wanted to reply to the top post.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: CUBErt]
    #5512696 - 04/13/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I see. I guess an analogous comfort could be that the energy that used to be her husband is now part of the world around her again, or that his ashes are still with her, or something.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5512703 - 04/13/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

All the people saying life would be better without God couldnt be more wrong.

Sure we wouldnt have a list of attrocities like this one

[qoute]Well, we wouldn't have:

-Suicide bombers

-Witch burnings at the hands of the Catholics

-Endless killing in Northern Ireland

-Genocide in Rwanda

-War in Bosnia-Herzegovina

-Civil war in Sudan

-Extreme, radical fundamentalist Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan

-Fragile peace in Bosnia holding only due to the presence of UN peacekeepers

-Ivory Coast murders of Muslims at the hands of the government

-Fragile peace in Cyprus holding only due to the presence of UN peacekeepers

-Ongoing conflict in India among Animists, Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs

-Fighting between Christians and Muslims in Ambon Province in India

-Repeated killings over Kashmir by Hindus and Muslims who both claim it on religious grounds

-Hundreds of people in South Africa murdered each year for being witches

-Poor Galileo would not have been inquisitioned and threatened with torture if he didn't denounce his earlier claim that Jupiter has moons. The old scientist was was sentenced to life in prison anyway.

-And Ahmadinejad, Iran's leader, would not believe a divine Saviour known as the Mahdi will appear on Earth after a worldwide cataclysm and be developing nuclear weapons for the purpose of starting World War 3 and hastening His arrival.




But what would we have?

Are you people who believe so naive to think that without religion people would just all get along?

What attrocities will arise in the absence of morality and God?
Will they be worse than those carried out in the name of God?
Wouldnt countries still become overcrowded and have the need to expand their borders? wouldnt there still be war?
Wouldnt you still be able to find someone willing to kill himself and take a few people with themselves if you really looked?
Wouldnt people still kill in passion?
Wouldnt we still steal what isnt ours?



People who say that the horrible things that are carried out in God's name could be eliminated if God had not been "invented" by early man are blind to humanity. They take the easy way out instead of trying to understand why we do these things to our brothers. Cowards is what they are.

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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Diploid]
    #5512706 - 04/13/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Also, always leave a possibility that what some religious people believe is true, because if you don't, you just end up as narrow minded as they are.

I always leave room for that. To do otherwise is dogma and mystics already have a monopoly on that.

However, while I leave room for the possibility that the Tooth Fairy exists, until we're introduced, I won't believe for one second that she does.




Of course!! And that is the normal state of mind in my opinion.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: blaze2]
    #5512721 - 04/13/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A system of world peace has not been developed. This is not proof that faith in God brings people any closer to world peace.

A world with or without God has trouble. This does not absolve religion from the destructiveness inherent in it.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5512754 - 04/13/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Why is it that some people here are "black or white"? Also are some of the people here even bother to read any of the replies?

"People who say that the horrible things that are carried out in God's name could be eliminated if God had not been "invented" by early man are blind to humanity. They take the easy way out instead of trying to understand why we do these things to our brothers. Cowards is what they are."

Who said that? I think you are mixing up opinions. The horrible things would not have happened, but some other would and as I said, many people would end up worse and kill others, so compensating for the "god" loss. I explained how people need god and how some are taught to need god.

There is no black or white.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5512761 - 04/13/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

there is no destruction inherent in religion, its inherent in man, who as far as I know is are the only animals we know about practicing religion.  It might be inherent in ORGANIZED RELIGION(read these two words as men acting like they know better than GOD) but the idea of God itself is inherently good.  Some poeple would rather pin it on religion than own it as a human whatever floats your boat, but the end result is the same... 

it all comes back to duality, creation destruction.  Both have to be there, THERE WILL NEVER BE A "SYSTEM OF WORLD PEACE"  till the day God decided to reap his harvest. 

Laugh all you want non-believers, but the day draws nigh(I love writing all biblical liek that :smile:  )peace

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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: blaze2]
    #5512782 - 04/13/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

cool enjoy the day of the rapture, unless Lord Xenu traps your soul in a giant soul catcher in the sky first!

In the meantime read the bible and tell me it doesnt condemn those who don't follow it. Read the bible or quran and tell me it doesnt instigate the oppresion of women. Destructive.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: blaze2]
    #5512786 - 04/13/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

God gives man a convenient excuse to commit murders. "We are burning you at the stake, Bruno, for your own good."


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: blaze2]
    #5513060 - 04/13/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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blaze2 said:
It might be inherent in ORGANIZED RELIGION(read these two words as men acting like they know better than GOD)




What religion is not organized? Unorganized religion?

"Well, I had prepared a sermon for you all to bask in, but I seem to have misplaced my notes..."

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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5513075 - 04/13/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"acting like they know better than GOD"

imo peoples minds together with some loose facts and needs created GOD, so saying that people act like they know better than god kind of contradicts itself. I say if god has an opinion let him/her/it/whatever share it with us.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5513080 - 04/13/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yah I agree with him, fireworks. I know better than your god. You wanna know why? He doesn't exist so he doesn't know anything.

Now let me get this straight. My opinion, above, is your definition of organized religion. In what way shape or form does my opinion that I know more than God have anything to do with me being part of organized religion?


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513083 - 04/13/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

most probably... ;-)


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Diploid]
    #5513263 - 04/13/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Diploid, you have named a lot of things that are killing in the names of religion/spirituality/God way up at the top of this thread....
Do you honestly think that all that killing would stop just because religion/spirituality/God was gone, or would the killing just be done for a different reason(s)....?

I am thinking the later of the two myself....  :shrug:

Question being, would it all be better or worse....? 

There are a lot of positive aspects to religion/spirituality/God on people's lives that **seem** to sometimes get overlooked by people that don't share in the same beliefs.... 
Would you agree...?


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5513284 - 04/13/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

People always look at the bad side of things. I don't care what anyone believes in because its none of my business and it doesn't actually effect me and if it does I didn't know it was so again I don't care.

Holy wars in the middle east, who cares i don't live there.

Stem cell research, who cares I have plenty of stem cells apparently :grin:.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5513297 - 04/13/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There is no real reason for much of the wars that occur today. There are religious extremists and their ideas about suicide mission'ing themselves and receiving hundreds of virgins in heaven is incentive for them. The doctrine that all these people accept helps rally their fury as a people, and solidifies their cause: war and killing.

Religion DEFINITELY plays a role in driving these idiots to kill each other. Tell me september 11th would have happened without religion, like you claim.


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5513300 - 04/13/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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People always look at the bad side of things. I don't care what anyone believes in because its none of my business and it doesn't actually effect me and if it does I didn't know it was so again I don't care.

Holy wars in the middle east, who cares i don't live there.

Stem cell research, who cares I have plenty of stem cells apparently :grin:.




That's quite an isolated view mate. Holy wars, they may knock your door too, so saving your loved one's life using stem cells tech.

If you don't care about what other people's beliefs are why are you here?


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Re: A world WITHOUT blind faith, Spirituality, a higher power, etc....? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5513339 - 04/13/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Shroomerious said:
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Psychoslut said:
People always look at the bad side of things. I don't care what anyone believes in because its none of my business and it doesn't actually effect me and if it does I didn't know it was so again I don't care.

Holy wars in the middle east, who cares i don't live there.

Stem cell research, who cares I have plenty of stem cells apparently :grin:.




That's quite an isolated view mate. Holy wars, they may knock your door too, so saving your loved one's life using stem cells tech.

If you don't care about what other people's beliefs are why are you here?




Im not sure. I dont care what your beliefe is but its interesting i guess. I probably will not be here long. I have too short of temper when people tell me im wrong about something so i probably wont be able to handle this place without being banned.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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