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Re: Clarifications on my part. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5512958 - 04/13/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Reasons plus observation and analyzation, reasonably applied? :smirk:

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Re: Clarifications on my part. [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5512970 - 04/13/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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SkorpivoMusterion said:1)Those who believe that consciousness has primacy over existence; that existence is manipulatable by the power of their whims and desires, i.e., prayers.




There's no such thing as objective reality. Your reality is your world, that is affected by your mind, being part of the infinite spectrum of consciousness. You choose your reality, because you make it. Therefore, just because you can't experience it by your disbelief, doesn't mean someone cannot experience a phenomenon due to their faith.

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3)Those who hold self-sacrifice as a virtue, and selfishness as a vice.




That's a mystic?! I guess I shouldn't have listened to my Elementary school teacher who told me to share due to her delusional ignorant beliefs. :shake:

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4)Those who think Capitalism as a political-economic system is inherently evil and detrimental to society.




A joke has already been made on this point, so I abstain.

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5)Those who subordinate reason to faith.




Reason nor faith decide reality. Just because you can be rational to something doesn't mean you understand it, and likewise, just because you believe in something it doesn't mean it exists.

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10)Those who behave as if it is a virtue to live with one's eyes half-closed, in a dimly lit cerebral focus, but a sin to live with one's eyes wide opened, in clear intellectual focus.




Mystics claim that they use all that the world has to offer, and that Skeptics are just regarded as missing out on a chunk just because they don't get it. That chunk exists, and it's real, as real as you or me and as anything else. Just because you cannot perceive it in your ordinary physical state of reality, doesn't mean it's not there.

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11)Those who unknowingly promote the hindrance, destruction and torture of what is mankind's greatest asset: The mind.




I've seen this several times on this board now. A skeptic assuming knowledge of the mystic's ideology, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

To quote from some of my own Mystic theology,
The warrior's way is to balance terror and wonder", to accept that there are things that can't be explained through rational thought to be understood. It is the purpose of man to dive into the unknown, to find light where there is none, to find truth, to know thyself.


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Re: Clarifications on my part. [Re: Fospher]
    #5512999 - 04/13/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Those who subordinate reason to faith."

This means "Those who say faith is better than reason." Your argument equated faith and reason. You did not defend the idea of subordinating reason to faith


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Re: Clarifications on my part. [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513009 - 04/13/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
As is the notion that reality exists independently of the observer.




Note-comparsion amongst observers can determine that reality exists independantly of some observers. One dies, and yet, the observers who continued on afterwards still observe reality. Why is it not possible for a complete absence of observers and yet the continuance of reality? :confused:

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Examples of both, please.
eanwhile, pride has always been a defining aspect of barbarian war-like peoples, such as the Vikings or the Mongols.




The Vikings were also very civilized. They were certainly achievers.

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  But self-sacrifice for one's fellow man, as practiced by people such as Mother Theresa, has enriched the world incalculably.




It is entirely possible to not sacrifice oneself for one's fellow man, and, at the same time, accomplish more that benefits one's fellow man than someone who walks around and prays a lot.

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  Meanwhile, a society based on selfishness is the very laissez-faire capitalist society which you so naively glorify.




Thank god! I'd hate to exist within a society in which oppurtunity was not provided and one's goals were not achievable.

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Similarly, feel free to go on blindly believing in naive realism.




It isn't blind belief when the belief can be substantiated and demonstrated. :lol:

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You're putting reason up on a pedestal.  The history of philosophy is filled with extremely rational men, all bitterly disagreeing with one another.




As if that speaks agansit reason?  :rolleyes:

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You're the one who denies that the mind distorts things.  Not I.




An obstructed mind distorts its direct perceptions of reality. There is your problem.

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Re: Clarifications on my part. [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5513019 - 04/13/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My argument did not equate faith and reason. It said that there's appropriate times for appropriate measures.


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