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Re: Benzos hours before a trip to stop anxiety? [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #5520233 - 04/16/06 03:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What if you change your persona completely because of such direct approaches towards the amygdala. I wouldn't wanna be a completely new person with different feelings on things rather than just anxiety.


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Re: Benzos hours before a trip to stop anxiety? [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #5520270 - 04/16/06 05:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

not that i'm an expert or nothing, but i used to get horrible tension before during and after trips. lately i've learned a reasonable amount of opiates consumed at same time as substance makes it so that i can actually sit still, and because i'm more relaxed makes my imagery more intense... huh go figure.

anyways i'm just mentioning the opiates because i don't trust nothing else, all that wierd anti-everything medication freaks me out they've always not done what poeple told me they were going to do. most substances effect me a little odd though so i'm not a good benchmark.
the best was i took something... uh, i forget what it was, a benzo though, apperntly pretty strong. my friends were like "don't worry its like vicodan" and then about 15 minutes later i started getting really nervous and it gets progressively worse till my whole body feels like rubber (which normally i'd be able to deal with) and i feel like i just did a couple lines of coke.

wait, so opiates right before a trip for me:
slows down the pace of my thoughts and feelings so i don't get those out of control headrushes
blocks out or relaxes the general trip aches from my body and generally blots of bad body vibes
keeps me mellow and happy even during intense moments
makes it so i can sit still if i want to (normally i can't while tripping, like not at all from begining to end)
seems to make the imagery richer

what else does that?


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Re: Benzos hours before a trip to stop anxiety? [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #5520495 - 04/16/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Muppet69_420 said:
What if you change your persona completely because of such direct approaches towards the amygdala. I wouldn't wanna be a completely new person with different feelings on things rather than just anxiety.




That is not what re-programming your amygdala accomplishes. You will still experience anxiety to situations that call for it. If you get bit by a snake and you now fear snakes, you're still going to have that anxiety whenever you see or hear a snake. Re-programming your amygdala by practicing normal, non-anxious behavior, teaches your amygdala how to respond to normal situations. Nothing else is affected.

I can certainly understand your concern, but the real question for anxiety sufferers is do they want to be the same person. Do you want to be the same person who, through behavioral conditioning, responds to situations with anxiety when it's completely inappropriate? I think we all know the answer to that question. The answer is no. When you are tripping, I'm using "you" in generalities here, if you are experiencing anxiety, it's because you have programmed yourself to react that way. You know nothing bad is going to happen to you, yet you begin that perpetual cycle of being fearful because you expect fear to come over you. You are actually afraid of being afraid. You are afraid of experiencing an emotion and as a result become fearful.

Don't think for a second that I wasn't skeptical at first, because I was. It wasn't until I realized that I controlled the level of anxiety that I started to slowly overcome it. I am still recovering from anxiety, but I a well on my way to having normal levels of anxiety. You can be too.


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Re: Benzos hours before a trip to stop anxiety? [Re: Wronguy]
    #5521141 - 04/16/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is a great explanation using a very specific example. (Particularly in my case!)

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Re: Benzos hours before a trip to stop anxiety? [Re: KingSpade]
    #5522444 - 04/16/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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KingSpade said:
.. but these medications do exist for a reason and some people actually DO need them!




That's true to some extent. I've worked with combat trauma people and
there's no doubt their brain chemistry is reset. Chronically hi
levels of adrenalin are known to do this. But MOST people can benefit
from nondrug approaches. A lot of anxiety stems from a constant
future orientation- what if, what if. Most of the talkie therapies
and meditative practices do 2 things- 1. slow the mental chatter that anxiety feeds on and 2. reorient our attention to NOW! immediate beauty, immediate sound and light. Relax tapes, breathing exercises, meditation etc orient us to now, slow the respiration (which stops hyperventilation and all the physiology of a panic attack) and take away the rocket fuels of future thinking, mental chatter and over oxygenation. I have anxiety that i control this way. it does work but some (very few) people do need medication. Ask yourself, if now is
almost perfect why be worried for the morrow?


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