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Yoschie99
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"controlling" the acid experience.
#5506909 - 04/12/06 07:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i've been taking psychadelics off and on since i was 16, with my heaviest usage from 1999-2001... I've taken mushrooms, acid, 2ct7, 2ci, AMT, foxy, DXM, ketamine, MDMA, DOC, N20.. and many of these in combination.
Over the years i have pretty much 'trained' myself to use these substances with a lot of control... I like higher dosages of all these, and if i wanted to be able to do them in a social setting, i needed to be able to control the trip more.
I started taking higher doses of mushrooms and acid in 2001.. 7g of mush on a regular dose... 10strips+ of acid as a regular dose. I started noticing a lot about the ability of a person to alter the path of their trip through different means.. taking control of visuals, altering your thought process, etc. I've found that it's easier to do on acid than mushrooms, and that dissociatives/psychadelics such as Ketamine and DXM are much harder to maintain on even low doses.
The first time I noticed that I could almost completely negate the visuals in a trip, or not get stuck in thought loops while tripping was at a rave in June 2001. I went to the party with a sandwich baggie that was full of trimmings from sheets... all in all there was probably about 150hits in scraps. I also had another 2 sheets of regular cut pieces with me. I had had these in my car for a few days, it had been really hot, and i wasn't convinced that they were going to be too good anymore... so i decided to give it all away. It didn't take long for word to spread that there was FREE acid around, and it started flying out of my hands.. but, everytime i'd give someone 5 or 10 or 2 or whatever, they'd be like, 'dose with us!'.. 'ok!'... and i'd dip into my bag of trimmings and eat another piece. I would tell everyone the reason that it was free.. and was convinced that i was barely tripping all night. At about 5am, the sun was coming up and i went to sit down with a friend of mine.. he asked me how the night went, i told him that it went good.. he asked me what i had left, i took a minute to do inventory.. 29 cut pieces and a few scraps left. My friend asked me if i was tripping, and i told him, 'no, not really.. that acid wasn't really good anymore.. i ate all this pretty much and i'm not really tripping.' i showed him the trimmings bag, and we did some quick math.. I had given about 50 hits in scraps away to good friends.. and still had about 30 hits in scraps left... this means that i had eaten roughly 70 hits of acid over the course of about 5-6hrs.
I gave my friend a four square.. sat back in this chair and closed my eyes and just enjoyed the visuals i was having in my head.. i sat there for about 2 or 3 minutes before i opened my eyes. And when i did, it was if someone had re-animated the world... and my mind was FLYING. A moth flew by my face.. it appeared as large as a jet-plane and left a digitalized rainbow in it's wake. There were colors falling from the sky like i had never seen before.. the clouds were moving of their own accord... the music seemed miles away. I looked at my friend and spurted out, 'i'm tripping harder than i've ever tripped before and harder than i ever thought i would trip.'.. he just looked at me and said, 'you JUST said you weren't really tripping.'.. 'I know, but i closed my eyes and now i'm tripping REALLY hard!'.. I didn't freak out about it.. i discovered some new interesting visual anomalies at such a high dose.. i could focus on objects that were very far away and make them appear very close.. pixellation was amazing... cubes w/in cubes w/in cubes everywhere. I was just amazed. I couldn't get back to base level once i noticed i was tripping.. so i had to have a friend drive me home and was tripping well into the next day.
After this, I started looking at tripping in a different way. I did things that would settle my mind and make it easier to remain calm and focused. I mainly did this on acid... what I would do to start would be to change my actual idea of 'a dose'... instead of saying one hit was one dose, i said 10hits was one dose, since that was usually the minimum i ate. It seems strange, i guess, but i always noticed that people got really nervous as soon as they noticed a large number attached to a trip.. 'WHAT, you ate a 10 STRIP?'.. and, this allowed me to eat 10, 20, 30 hits and say to myself, 1, 2, 3 hits... a simple thing that helped me start out calm.
I'd also start working on controlling the visuals i was having.. if i was out at a party, or out in public, and needed to do something like buy a drink, talk to a stranger, go into a bathroom, etc, i didn't want to be blinded by my visuals and appear lost. I noticed that if i could find a semi-calm place to sit down, close my eyes for a few minutes and relax, that i could sort of center myself, knock the visuals in my head down a little bit and then be ok to go. On the other side of this, I could also 'build' visuals in my head if I was maybe not feeling like i was tripping as hard as i would like to...
Basically I do this in the same way as I do when trying to lessen the visuals, i just focus on creating more intricate patterns w/in my head and bringing them out to open eye visuals. This is nice at home, when you can lie down or sit for a while and be comfortable.. just close your eyes completely and play with the patterns and visuals in your head. After I have a pretty good show in my head, I'll start to open my eyes a little into that sort of half-focused vision state. The patterns will usually carry over from CEV to OEV at this point... I will relax w/ my vison out of focus for a bit and then open my eyes all the way, and the visuals will have been built.
Of course, set and setting do play a fairly important role in the success of this.. If you are at a concert, rave, party, etc, with music/lights/projections, it is definately harder to focus and center yourself.. all the outside stimulus will act as a mental distraction and you just have to concentrate that much harder on grounding yourself if you try.
As for the mental aspect of tripping.. the racing mind, thought loops, trouble communicating clearly with others, etc... those are slightly harder to rope in. And, at high doses, there dose always seem to be a point where I just need to not communicate a lot with people.. being selective in my communications while tripping seems to be the best way to avoid getting caught in a 'tripping' conversation that ends up 12miles from where it started w/ nobody able to remember how or where it started. If i am not babbling away all the time, and spend more time thinking about how to communicate a single idea that i actually find has some meaning then I am able to pretty much talk to people normally w/out getting caught in a loop of thoughts...
anyways.. this ended up way longer than i expected.. and i need to cook breakfast!

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Re: "controlling" the acid experience. [Re: Yoschie99]
#5506973 - 04/12/06 08:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've found that LSD is a fairly easy expierence to control.
I have also taken LSD 2 or 3 times while at a rave, and have noticed that I usually trip harder once I leave the party, then while I am there. Its like the sensory-overload from the lights, music, crowd, etc dull out parts of the trip and make it not feel soo intense.
I recall last time I did LSD at a party, I kept feeling like I was hardly tripping at all, and a bit dissapointed as I was on two hits, and 1.5 hits of the same stuff had sent me to the moon before.
Anyways, 5:30am rolls by, and I leave the club - once I walk outside, BOOM the world explodes around me, and it felt like I was tripping about 10x harder then I was an hour ago, and it was already 6 hours into the trip.
LSD gets to be its most intense when you are sitting/relaxed and not around alot of other people or stimulation I find. If I start walking around in crowds or having to deal with people, even without 'trying' to make it less intense - it seems to do that on it's own.
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Re: "controlling" the acid experience. [Re: kaniz]
#5507569 - 04/12/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Last new years I had 2 hits of the best LSD I'ver had in my life. I watched my buddy dunk the two little strips of paper in his vial (dunked them, not a drop from a dropper).
Anyways, my girlfriend tried acid for the first time that night and was having a rough time (an ex-sorta girlfriend was there and was being a real bitch, etc.), so most of my night was focused on keeping her from getting sucked into some really negative thought loops. Morning rolls around and we're sick of being at this house, and everybody is starting to leave anyways, so we go out to my car and start the 1.5 hour-ish drive home. This was the first time I'd driven on any hallucinogen, so I really focused on making myself not trip. When we were just a few blocks away from my house and sitting at a stoplight with no other cars around, I let my brain kinda relax for a second, and looked down the windy road that was in front of us (I was turned left after the light turned green).
It seemed like everything I should have been experiencing from the acid for the whole night got jammed into a few seconds while sitting at that light. The windy road in front of me SLAMMED into a straight road, and what looked like pyschedelically colored dust was blown all over it. The light apparently had turned green, and my GF turned to me and said, "Are you okay?", and that brought me back in. The road slowly returned to normal, and I snapped my brain back into the no tripping mode. This was the last time I'd taken LSD, but it was just one example of how well I'm being able to 'control' an acid trip.
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Re: "controlling" the acid experience. [Re: ezsefix]
#5509611 - 04/12/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nifty tips...
I can control it to a point where I'm socially acceptable, but by the looks of it, not nearly as well as you
I'll keep this in mind next time I trip
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Re: "controlling" the acid experience. [Re: Birds_Can_Swim]
#5509861 - 04/12/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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great thread. i've found acid can be directed, at least a bit, most of the time, although I'm definately going to try your advice next time.
however, i've noticed that I can Never control it enough to drive
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Re: "controlling" the acid experience. [Re: Taco Chef]
#5510955 - 04/13/06 02:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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My tolerance to acid is fucked up. I never get visuals but I can't even talk on it. I doubt I'd be able to control my trips especially on 5 hits and up. Even on only 2 hits my speech is pretty stunted and on 3 hits I can barely formualte sentences but I still see nothing in terms of visuals.
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Re: "controlling" the acid experience. [Re: Yoschie99]
#5511743 - 04/13/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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neat!
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Re: "controlling" the acid experience. [Re: Gomp]
#5520228 - 04/16/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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thats funny, i can control dissociatives like nothing. acid in particular kicks the shit out of me.
controlling dissociatives is easy, open your eyes and pretend to be normal. i don't know how to put it better but it feels like i've just entirely stopped paying attention to my body so it does what its programmed to do, then i watch what it does. if you're really deep into it you have to "wake up" as i usually think of it, just for a second, long enough to get your body going. it feels exactly like if you're at that moment where you just turned off your alarm clock and you're supposed to get up and you catch yourself lying down and going back to sleep and you kind of snap out of it.
anyways, hope that helps. the only control i have over acid is repeating to myself over and over "forget what happened, forget what? what happened? nothing."
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Re: "controlling" the acid experience. [Re: truekimbo2]
#6508410 - 01/29/07 12:54 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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i dunno, i could control the visuals probably if i really tried, but i dont see how i could eat a 10 strip of the shit i have now and even think of going to interact in public at all. id for sure be immobilized. i have to say that when redosing with lsd the redoses dont really do anything anyway. after an hour and a half or 2 hours has passed since first dose ur tolerance is already so high that taking even double the dose really doesnt do much. in my experience the tolerance might even set in faster like at an hour. dont get me wrong it could increase it alittle bit
for example if i took 3 hits at first drop, than took 3 more hits 2 hours later i dont think they would do anything to the intensity of my trip. if i took say 6 mor ehits 2 hours after that i still dont think it would do anything, by that time ur tolerance is mega from the first dose plus teh second dose, a third dose in would do next to nothing but prolong the trip. i could see tripping for a solid day but not triping harder than ur initial dose.
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