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OfflineShroomDoom
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Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight?
    #5505232 - 04/11/06 08:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

upon returning from quite a glorious weekend i found out some very
unfortunate news. two close friends of mine were busted for about 10 pot plants out in Waxahachie, Texas that they had inside their home. the sad thing about this is that they moved out there for the cheap real estate and privacy for their grow but someone most likely ratted them out anyways :sad:. they are both out on 40k bail and thinking of fleeing to Canada and trying to obtain refugee status because of the unjust drug war. i dont even think you can leave the country with a felony pending  :confused:but i thought some shroomery members and canadians especially might know more about this.i hear fleeing to avoid drug charges is not uncommon but what are the chances of them getting extradited? they both are pretty broke so a good lawyer to fight this is non-existant the best they can do is court-appointed. any help would be appreciated, and anyone who is reading i know its been said before and ill say it again : LEARN FROM OTHER PEOPLES MISTAKES> DONT SAY SHIT ABOUT YOUR GROW!!!
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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5518309 - 04/15/06 08:55 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I vote that they should hit the road.

Texas sucks very very bad and it isn't worth their time IMO..


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5518513 - 04/15/06 10:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Run.


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5519017 - 04/15/06 12:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Either way, their life isn't going to go back to a "normal" state for some time.

Although I can't speak about the legal implications of this, I would say it depends greatly upon how much time they are looking at. What are the charges that are being brought against them?

I mean, if I was facing some serious time, leaving the country would seem the route to take, but remember that if extradition is possible, they're going to bring your friends back and there will be no leniency in sentencing, they'll probably get the maximum.

You mentioned Canada, which was probably chosen because of the comparable living standards, the language, etc. Was any though given to going south?


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5519359 - 04/15/06 09:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

canada isn't going to even think about giving them any kind of refugee status. it won't even let them in if they've got a case pending in the US. if they want to go to canada they'll need to sneak in. if they were discovered in canada, they'd certainly be turned over to US authorities.

sticking around or taking off depends on how well they are prepared to go underground. can they find work? a place to live? how will they travel? living as a fugitive is not easy, and it's damn near impossible if you aren't hooked up with trustworthy people who will help you out.

i'd run, but not to canada. i'd try to get to some back alley part the world where people aren't tracked and policed like in the industrialized west.



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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: wilshire]
    #5520400 - 04/16/06 08:29 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i would probaly buy a house on the beach in mexico and try to learn espanol

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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: wilshire]
    #5520529 - 04/16/06 09:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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wilshire said:
i'd run, but not to canada. i'd try to get to some back alley part the world where people aren't tracked and policed like in the industrialized west.





:yesnod: in this scenario, i'd think you'd want to be in a country where you can always pay off the local cops to not know you are there


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: Krishna]
    #5520596 - 04/16/06 10:19 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, and that state is New Mexico.


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: Jim]
    #5520598 - 04/16/06 10:20 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Jim said:
yeah, and that state is New Mexico.


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5522262 - 04/16/06 07:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously though, if your in Texas, why head north? Canada will just send you right back.

I'm sure they dont care what the fuck you do in Mexico...

It is Mexico after all...


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5522345 - 04/16/06 07:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Find out what kind of time they are looking at.

In Texas you have to do half the jail time before parole. You can also get probation.

I got busted in Texas for growing shrooms. Got 10 years TDC, probated to 5 years probation and $2,500.00 fine. Much better than being on the run.


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: KaptKid]
    #5522384 - 04/16/06 08:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Don't run to Canada. They will NOT grant you refugee status for that.


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: MxIndustry]
    #5525594 - 04/17/06 03:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

easy to get in very little question asked though.
id go to costa rica. man i love it there. if i had no friends in canada id go there without any law reasons.


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: skeletor]
    #5578369 - 05/01/06 06:34 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Its not worth it, unless your friends were charged with dealing, upon many other things, they wont be sentenced to much jail time, if any at all (this depends on their record).

If they were to flee, they would most certaintly be caught, and then they would be going to jail.

Also, if they did somehow make it to Mexico or Canada, and somehow evaded the authorities there, what type of life would they live?
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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5578509 - 05/01/06 07:19 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

40k bail? For ten pot plants? What the fuck?

sad news anyway :sad:

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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: OJK]
    #5601169 - 05/07/06 02:11 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

They will most likely get probation time. This guy I know got caught making meth in Texas and he spent a few months in jail and got probation for a few years.

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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: NeoQ]
    #5601898 - 05/07/06 05:38 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

Well from what I heard so far on this forum, it seems like the punishments in Texas aren't extremely ridiculous. The 40 K bail is pretty harsh but I mean 5 years for growing shrooms, and as said above a few months in jail for making meth, I'm guessing the jail time would compare somewhat to that. Although rash compared to BC, where you need at least like...1000 plants to get jail time or something like that. But I mean your buddies would have this outstanding case their whole lives. It's a tough decision but I think I would stay and deal with it, unless there was a great offer in another country for me.


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: hybridphil]
    #5610410 - 05/09/06 08:48 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

i'd be in mexico like yesterday


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: JackTackle]
    #5610479 - 05/09/06 09:08 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4566

thats the first state I have seen on norml with no cultivation information :confused:


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: Taskenti]
    #5612401 - 05/10/06 12:03 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

they just legalized drugs in mexico. if your pretty sure you wont get gangraped by a bunch of mexicans, then head to elpaso, where the sun is warm, and the hot sauce is delightfull.


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: inoculatedGreif]
    #5615097 - 05/10/06 09:55 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)



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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5616026 - 05/11/06 01:43 AM (18 years, 13 days ago)

hmm i say go to court up until trial at least... attend the pre trials and see what your lawyer has to say. Usually by then the state will have already offered you a deal and what he thinks about either accepting the deal or challenging it. if your friend was caught with the plants in his house prolly better take whatever deal they offer, if you take it to trial they usually give u more time if found guilty. if the deal they offer is more time then your friend is willing to spend in jail then you have to option of fleeing, but he won't get refugee status in canada (nor even make it past customs with a case pending), dunno if you're familar with Rene Boje but she has a much stronger case then your friend and a good legal team and will prolly still get extridited (http://www.reneeboje.com/)

But ummm... i faced a similar situation and fleed to canada, i made it into the country by remarkable luck but living up here is quite difficult without proper papers. a job is very difficult to find illegally , you can't grow pot and sell as its so common up here it's pretically worthless, without me having people to support me there is no way i could have surived. if your friend must flee i think his best bet would be to go to a diffrent state, within a decent population (larger city) and find work. it will be much easier being a citizen with proper papers and the texas authorties are not gonna conduct a nation-wide man hunt for 10 pot plants. he would be pretty safe so long as most importantly he ~does not drive~ nor do stupid stuff to attract the law. i bet 90% of ppl arrested on warrants are pulled over for some stupid trafic violation, lincense run and they see your warrant. yah i pulled that number out of my ass but its the easiest way to get caught.

lots of ppl say, yah if so and so happened i'd just flee the country, unless you have tons of money or lots of hook-ups in said country its a pretty difficult thing to do. unless you wanna live on the streets and such. he's not a murderer, outside of the local PD no one gives a shit about ur friend and they're not gonna spend resources looking for him even in another state, so why bother all the hassle of leaving the country. Just don't have run ins with the law, its not that hard so long as you do not drive or act like a fool in public. but i think if this is first offence and only ten plants he would get probation, maybe 30 days in county? nothing to be running from for the next few years, prolly best to just deal with it.  :stoned:


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: John]
    #5625135 - 05/13/06 04:07 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Running because of 10 pot plants doesn't sound like the best idea. :wink:

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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: SaturnGlass]
    #5627519 - 05/14/06 05:13 AM (18 years, 9 days ago)

Okay, they should go down to Mexico, and then raise money for fake ID's and plane tickets to Australia

Edited by lithium (05/14/06 05:16 AM)

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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5659117 - 05/22/06 03:16 AM (18 years, 1 day ago)

40K??

Someone will come get them .

I was going to move to Canada once.

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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5663379 - 05/23/06 09:09 AM (18 years, 17 hours ago)

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ShroomDoom said:
they are both out on 40k bail and thinking of fleeing to Canada and trying to obtain refugee status because of the unjust drug war. i dont even think you can leave the country with a felony pending




sounds like a good idea untl they arrive a the border and are detained until the
feds arrive to take them back, they then add a few more charges like 'unlawful
flight to escape prosecution', they loose the bond and are detained without chance
of bonding out again... the fleeing charge is another 5 years on top of what
they'll already be recieving and I know for a fact that canadian border agents
will detain them

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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5675303 - 05/26/06 12:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yeah but u know what they do to illegal immigrants in mexico? alot worse than they do here in the us

man people who have to sneak into mexico for living standard reasons must really have it bad


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Re: Friends' pot grow Busted. Flee to Canada or Fight? [Re: ke1n]
    #5708397 - 06/03/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Don't necessarily "fight" the charges, they should just plead their case and hope for a short sentence. According to NORML.com(which I believe is outdated, but it will be close) possession of 1-5 lbs(10 plants would roughly be little less than 3 lbs) is 180 days-2 years in state felony prison. If they're first time offenders, they'll probably get no more than 6 months. NORML doesn't list cultivation penalties, but they cannot be too much harsh than those.

You guys do realize that if they flee the country they have to live their entire remainder of their lives in seclusion and fear. They would ditch their family, friends and loved ones over skipping a probably 2 years or less sentence. Completely stupid, I don't even know why you guys should even think twice, and I'm amazed almost everyone in this thread told them to go to a foreign country. Completely idiotic.

EDIT: Although they don't list cultivation penalties for Texas, I researched my own state and one year is the maximum penalty. They should face the sentence, and I apologize if I misread something or skipped a post that made the sentence much more worse, somehow. I just find it hard to believe why everyone is telling him to ruin his life over such a short sentence...

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