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took a leap of faith
    #5504495 - 04/11/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This past weekend i discovered something that i'd forgotten for a long time. Let's just say that something was missing from my life for a couple years now but i've just rediscovered it. A sum of experiences and nagging intuition that i cannot prove to anyone but myself as "true." I took a leap of faith on this intuition and i've found myself in a very wonderful place. Everything just sort of fell into place in my life, and everything was suddenly put into proper perspective in terms of a much bigger picture. Now I'm trusting my feelings to guide me whenever my logical brain hits a dead-end.

Faith is a very powerful thing which produces real results. If you have faith in something and just trust yourself completely, you can go FAR. When it comes to faith your mind can and will be your worst enemy. It'll always try to rationalize things, because there is only so far you can go in this world with logic. When the brain reaches a dead-end it will trick you into believing that that's all there is, because the human brain can't comprehend what it can't process. Don't trust your brain. If you take a leap of faith you'll find that the dead-end you were at is not a dead-end at all but an illusory limitation. It's like looking at a brick wall in front of you and suddenly the wall just disappears and you can keep on going forever... There's, literally, a whole universe waiting beyond it.


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Re: took a leap of faith [Re: moog]
    #5505033 - 04/11/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Instant faith!


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Re: took a leap of faith [Re: moog]
    #5505460 - 04/11/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome Post! :cool: Thanks for sharing it!

:peace: :heart:


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Re: took a leap of faith [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5505823 - 04/11/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly, I am having trouble getting my head around the idea of faith and can't get around my rational mind. I have always been a very rational person.

I want to understand more specific examples of faith and how and why it benefits others.

Despite all that, I am very glad for yourself, and you have somewhat inspired me to look deeper into this issue of faith.

Thank you sir,

may your faith and well being remain for a long time to come.


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Re: took a leap of faith [Re: michael_lifshitz]
    #5506798 - 04/12/06 06:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think that, for those (like myself) who have a hard time putting rational logic to bed for the sake of faith, need to understand faith on a more literal and simple level.

Faith is, literally, the act of putting down one's mental assessment and analyzations of what they are encountering, and allowing themselves to feel instead of think.

Faith does not have to defeat logic. You can use rational logic to understand that sometimes the mind over-complicates things. Sometimes one needs to take a step back and simply observe what is going on, without allowing the mind to impose the endless torrent of thoughts that often come with a difficult decision.

When one does this, there is a simple intuition.. a simple understanding of the correct path, subconsciously. Faith is, literally, believing that when you listen to your heart (feeling), you will be guided the right way.

This is all faith really is... belief in yourself on a deeper level than thought. If you're really deep in the mires of the mind, it might be belief that you exist outside of thought at all... as it is easy to forget what it feels like to be free of the mind when so wrapped up in it.

I am a huge rationalist, and I had a really hard time buying into any form of religion or spirituality for a long time because of it.

I always thought, "there is too much belief without reason... too much blind faith."

Then, I discovered Taoism. Reading about Taoism was, for me, like reading my own subconscious. It all clicked. It all made perfect sense. There was no leap of faith... it's all about simply accepting the state of things, and realizing that you are already on the path you are meant to be on. There is no reason for a leap of blind faith, because there is no "fairy tale" to it... no seemingly dogmatic storytelling.

Taoism simply is... and in that simple truth, I found the keys to my own self-understanding... because I simply am.

Since learning of Taoism, I've started reading into every other religion metaphorically, and realized that they all express similar "core beliefs." By reading into religions metaphorically, one can take the meaning implied, but leave the dogmatic details.

Through this method, I've learned to form my own spirituality based on not one religion, but the metaphorical meaning behind ALL religions, and even many books, movies, and stories that have been written outside of stated religions.

There is a common theme... it is the struggle of being human, and trying to understand this very concept of faith.

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Just wanted to sum up my opinions on faith for you, being as I am an absurdly over-rational and logical thinker.


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Re: took a leap of faith [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #5509115 - 04/12/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That's awesome, Jacques. I couldn't have said it better.


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Re: took a leap of faith [Re: moog]
    #5509156 - 04/12/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Jacques, I feel a calling to Taoism as well... would you perhaps have any good links? as a practitioner of tai chi and yoga I feel that divinity is indeed within us, and that any man inspired by that divinity is "right" in the grand scheme of things.....

I feel that religions are all, more or less, correct, but the truth is muddled up in the years of translatoin and censure and governmental control... and I look at Taoism as something that just says "This is rational, simple, and it's a religion, too...." a religion for the thinking man almost.... yet paradoxically it is this "thinking man" that finds himself isolated from Tao/God in the first place.... it is through using the intuition, tuning into what you have tuned out of, stilling the mind.... that Taoism really takes flight.

I love the duality and the concept of balance.... just being here. Now. and that's it. that's all that required.

Sort of related to faith, I just said a long prayer, unsure of who but to a source of higher peace and love, for guidance along my path that I have chosen with moderate use of entheogens, and it made me feel much more peaceful and loving... I asked that I only use them to enhance my moderate daily life in order to find the greatest peace and balance of the world, rather than out of an escapist tendency, and for blessing upon those who would wish me ill for presuing freedom, that if we cross paths we cross not as authority and deviant but as Buddha recognizing Buddha, and nothing eventful or harmful comes of our crossing. That the world become a more free and open place but also that all who choose a path that incorporates ANY substance use whatsoever learn, peacefully, the lesson of moderation because that is so fundamentally important.

It seems like a rational path to me..... a little bit of exploring now and then, but working on grounding and accepting where you are.

It feels good, but the fear and real threat of persecution is unsettling. Especially having to put trust in people that you don't know very much.

But being on the winning side, and already seeing legal reform, gives me faith.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: took a leap of faith [Re: leery11]
    #5511277 - 04/13/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey Leery... I don't have any direct links for you, but I strongly recommend the following very-easy-to-read books.

The first is a good warm-up to the subject matter... it is a metaphorical "fictional" story, which explains the concepts of Taoism through example.

The second is a great summary of Taoism as told through the writer's supposed relationship with the characters of Winnie the Pooh. It is an excellent read, and I urge you not to shrug it off because of the involvement of childhood characatures. :wink:

Book 1: Illusions - The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Book 2: The Tao Of Pooh by Benjamin Hoff

And if you get through that one and enjoy it, check out the follow-up. It deals with specific areas of Taoism as it relates to virtue, which is obtained through sensitivity, modesty, and smallness. It deals with the struggles of the limitations of these traits, while illustrating the great strengths that are revealed through them.

Book 3: The Te Of Piglet by Benjamin Hoff

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If you end up reading any of those, and want to chat about them, feel free to PM me or whatever. :smile:


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Re: took a leap of faith [Re: moog]
    #23339328 - 06/13/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yes!

Two of my very favorite remarks on faith are - 'Always the soul says to us all, Cherish your best hopes as a faith, and abide by them in action. Such shall be the effectual fervent means to their fulfilment.', Margaret Fuller

of course......... Terence :sun:

'Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.'

then there is the total beauty of Seng Ts'an and all the other divine teachers,,

'When trust and mind are not two,
Not two, trust and mind,
Then all words break off,
No past, no future, no now.'

i have quoted it more than once; but it never loses its freshness for me - especially as a counter-emphasis. . . . well, ya. :sun:

or my own; 'a properly functioning mind is divine,'

Goethe...............

'As soon as you trust yourself, you will know how to live,'

and that's all for my quotes for the moment :sun: hehe..

Then, I discovered Taoism. Reading about Taoism was, for me, like reading my own subconscious.

Yes!! Goodness, yes.  Beautiful post -- and , shared, the same here.  Taoism is so beautiful and -- one can compare it with the others quite lovely ; Jetsun Mila for instance, and the path of water from Tao, are quite similar and beatific.

There is an old story from Taoism which lights the wisdom of emptiness.  As a lot of the discourses, it was between two , whose names have forgotten , the essence of it was -- if a man is in a canoe, and bumps into another canoe. . .

But if the canoe is empty -  no one is angry at an empty canoe.  So when a person is empty , it is like bumping into an empty canoe. . .

Well, this was from some of the Taoist texts, I downloaded from either sacred-texts.com or gutenberg.org , , all the best in life are free. :sun:

as to books, 'Tales of the Dancing Dragon,' is very beautiful.

Laoze and Liezi :sun:


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