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Re: I love my new job. [Re: Deadmaker]
    #5505157 - 04/11/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure he will blow a save or two even Rivera does every year I'm not jerking him off as you seem to believe but it is obvious to anyone with a set of eyes that he has great talent and the mentality to be a closer. Just because you want him to fuck up does not mean it is going to happen


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Re: I love my new job. [Re: lowdominion]
    #5505185 - 04/11/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I didnt say that I wanted him to fuck up. Hell, I don't give a shit. He's not in my teams division.


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Re: I love my new job. [Re: Deadmaker]
    #5505222 - 04/11/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: I love my new job. [Re: lowdominion]
    #5508911 - 04/12/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ruth out-homered TEAMS. Try this for a concept. Context. Neither Ramirez nor Ortiz is even the best player of their generation, much less historicly transcendent.

And as to this

"As far as the rotation goes that is arguable but I will take Schilling/Beckett over any other teams top two any day. Start looking at the numbers you might learn something."

Well it went from best rotation hands down to best first two. Here's a number you need to look at. 5. That's how many pitchers are in a rotation. We'll see how these two do. Their dominance is by no means a given.


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Re: I love my new job. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5508979 - 04/12/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you are trying to change the nature of the argument i never argued who was the best player of their generation or even tried to compare them singularly. I said they where the best 3-4 combo of all time and after this year they will have greater numbers than Ruth/Gehrig so if you are going to debate me please try to stay on topic

As far your other comment goes after the first two you have Clement who was an all-star last year and looked very solid in his first start then Tim Wakefield who is third all time in wins for the Red Sox behind Roger Clemens and Cy Young perhaps you have heard of them? and then you have Wells who is a very solid pitcher so overall I still believe they have the best rotation in baseball but as I said it is still arguable.


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Re: I love my new job. [Re: lowdominion]
    #5512610 - 04/13/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They aren't even close to the best 3/4 of all time. I named the best one. The statistic you cited earlier is interesting but irrelevant.
"sorry Manny Ortiz with surpass Ruth/Gehrig this year in consecutive years with 30+ homers 130+ RBIs" Big fucking deal. They play in a shoe box, the ball is juiced, pitching is diluted and neither one is even the best player at his position. Ruth and Gehrig both were. Ortiz doesn't even have a position and Manny is a perrenial adventure in the outfield. As to Schilling/Beckett being the best 1/2 I might put forth Santana /Radke. Or the White Sox. Or the Angels. Or, heavens to Betsy, the Yankees. There is no body of evidence to suggest that S/B is better than J/M. Be a fan. Have fun. Get a grip.


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Re: I love my new job. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5512747 - 04/13/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dude you lack completely the ability to stay on topic in a debate once again you bring up facts irrelevant to the topic.  The sole purpose of batters is to get on base and drive in runs which the statistics prove Manny and Ortiz have done better in the 3-4 position than anybody else in baseball history I think it's quite funny that you seem to thing 30+ homers and 130+rbis is irrelevant being that is pretty much the sole purpose of batting in the 3-4 position :smirk:.

And as far as pitching goes you could make the argument of the white sox having the #1 rotation but the fact you even mentioned the yankees in this discussion just makes your argument laughable.  With the exception of Randy Johnson the rest of their rotation is mediocre at best.:lol:


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Re: I love my new job. [Re: lowdominion]
    #5512805 - 04/13/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

oh yeah and before I forget to comment on "shoe box" comment you seem to forget that Ruth and Gehrig played in "The House that Ruth Built" and it was built for the sole purpose playing to Ruth's strength and padding his stats


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Re: I love my new job. [Re: lowdominion]
    #5512840 - 04/13/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No, it was not. The reference to "the House That Ruth Built" is to the fact that he put Yankee stadium on the map with his prowess. In case you didn't know, Fenway Park is one of the most offensive parks in all of baseball history. The era is different and please tell me which Team either Ortiz or Rodriguez ever outhomered. You produced a quaint stat and then conflated it into the MOST IMPORTANT STAT EVER. Haha. One could argue Jeff Kent and Barry Roids was the best. Your stat is crap. Every decent hitter hits 30 HRs now. That is an astonishingly low bar you raise.


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Re: I love my new job. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5512944 - 04/13/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:lol: no in making the case for my argument it is the perfect stat you for some reason don't seem to realize that the purpose of being a 3-4 hitter is to drive in runs the indisputable fact of the matter that you don't seem to comprehend is that Manny and Ortiz have outscored any 3-4 combo in the history of baseball in a given time period therefore that stat proves my point perfectly you just can't seem to understand the argument at all.  You keep bringing up stats like fielding and how Ruth out homered other teams but you don't seem to understand that none of that proves how it made them a better 3-4 hitting combination.  I'll will reiterate this in hopes that you will understand.  The purpose of being a 3-4 Hitter is to score runs for your team NO ONE including Ruth and Gehrig in the time that they were hitting 3-4 together out drove Manny and Ortiz therefor that makes Manny and Ortiz the best 3-4 combo of all time end of argument.


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Re: I love my new job. [Re: lowdominion]
    #5520678 - 04/16/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ortiz G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA

2003 128 448 79 129 39 2 31 101 0 0 58 83 .288
2004 150 582 94 175 47 3 41 139 0 0 75 133 .301
2005 159 601 119 180 40 1 47 148 1 0 102 124 .300

Manny G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA

2003 154 569 117 185 36 1 37 104 3 1 97 94 .325
2004 152 568 108 175 44 0 43 130 2 4 82 124 .308
2005 152 554 112 162 30 1 45 144 1 0 80 119 .292

Very nice, but not quite this:

Gehrig G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA

1925 126 437 73 129 23 10 20 68 6 3 46 49 .295
1926 155 572 135 179 47 20 16 112 6 5 105 73 .313
1927 155 584 149 218 52 18 47 175 10 8 109 84 .373
1928 154 562 139 210 47 13 27 142 4 11 95 69 .374
1929 154 553 127 166 32 10 35 126 4 4 122 68 .300
1930 154 581 143 220 42 17 41 174 12 14 101 63 .379
1931 155 619 163 211 31 15 46 184 17 12 117 56 .341
1932 156 596 138 208 42 9 34 151 4 11 108 38 .349
1933 152 593 138 198 41 12 32 139 9 13 92 42 .334
1934 154 579 128 210 40 6 49 165 9 5 109 31 .363

Ruth G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA

1925 98 359 61 104 12 2 25 66 2 4 59 68 .290
1926 152 495 139 184 30 5 47 150 11 9 144 76 .372
1927 151 540 158 192 29 8 60 164 7 6 137 89 .356
1928 154 536 163 173 29 8 54 142 4 5 137 87 .323
1929 135 499 121 172 26 6 46 154 5 3 72 60 .345
1930 145 518 150 186 28 9 49 153 10 10 136 61 .359
1931 145 534 149 199 31 3 46 163 5 4 128 51 .373
1932 133 457 120 156 13 5 41 137 2 2 130 62 .341
1933 137 459 97 138 21 3 34 103 4 5 114 90 .301
1934 125 365 78 105 17 4 22 84 1 3 104 63 .288


If Ramirez/Ortiz can, for the 3rd year in a row, each get 30 HR and 130 RBI, that will be very nice but it will only tie Ruth/Gehrig. Further, the difference in total numbers without your artificial thresholds is even more stark. Just for laughs let's take the years '30 '31 '32 for R/G ( the years R/G met your criteria) the totals for your all important stats are:
HR RBI
257 962

To match this your boys will have to hit 80 HRs and 401 RBIs. HRs maybe. Ribbies, no chance. Let's throw in Runs

R/G 863

They would have to score 430 Runs this year to match. And, like you said, that is what it's all about, isn't it?

I only picked the years that met your ridiculous criteria. Ruth and Gehrig had better ones.

(I apologize if the headings don't line up)


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