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figment
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experiment time!
#5503612 - 04/11/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here's the plan. I have about 20lbs (4 bags). of sealed hpoo.
And a 2lb. bag of hpoo that is just below field capacity.
I have an LC that is about 1/2 full of myc (about 1/2 cup liquid in all)
My plan is to skip the injection part, cut open the 2 lb. bag, pour the whole LC into it, reseal, and incubate until full colonization. (I am predicting that the extra water from the LC will bring it up to field capacity.)
Then once that is colonized, I plan to bust open two full bags, and spawn them with the 2lb. bag.
Then incubate until colonized, case, incubate a few days, patch if necessary, and intitiate pinning triggers.
What do you guys think?
I do realize that hpoo is fairly resistant to contams, so that is not what I am worried about. What does concern me however, is the karo water that the myc is in. Karo water IS suseptable to contams.
Comments...advice...?
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Dragonaut

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Re: experiment time! [Re: figment]
#5503753 - 04/11/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't do it. It's too hard to get the water content right. Most likely, the amount of LC you will need to use will oversaturate your poo, and lead to fermentation.
Use grain for spawn.
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Re: experiment time! [Re: Dragonaut]
#5503789 - 04/11/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah your putting all your chickens in 1 basket for an experiment, I would try it on a smaller scale without using all your poo if they are sealed then i would imagine that you bought it and it isnt cheap. I second the spawn idea but remember you can use rice cakes or anything that is colonized for that matter. Most people come up with ideas like this when they are having grain problems.
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Re: experiment time! [Re: Dragonaut]
#5503790 - 04/11/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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progress cant be made without risk, if you have never heard of someone trying this, do it for the good of the land.
I didnt know how awsome growing mushrooms would be when I started it, besides the obvious purposes.. shits just plan cool.
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figment
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Re: experiment time! [Re: koontar]
#5503817 - 04/11/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I gathered and processed the poo myself. The only loss would be if the 2lb bag went bad...plus I will have lost a small LC. I would still have 20 lbs. of ready poo and a pint size LC in the works at the moment. I think that am going to try it. After all...a baby bottle LC and a 2lb. bag of hpoo is small scale right?
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Re: experiment time! [Re: figment]
#5503824 - 04/11/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I want your babies.
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Re: experiment time! [Re: figment]
#5503829 - 04/11/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If its free poo then yes that is small scale, I have wondered before if you use a large amount of LC how fast poo would colonize, give it a try keep us posted. I would suggest pouring the LC inside a glove box, its sugar water just waiting for a contam to land on it...
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figment
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Re: experiment time! [Re: MindsEye]
#5503852 - 04/11/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I don't have a glove box. I was going to use the "oven tek"...that'll have to do I guess.
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figment
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Re: experiment time! [Re: figment]
#5503857 - 04/11/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Koontar...my babies!? WTF? Do you mean my poo bags? If so I could hook you up...possibly. PM me if that's what you were referring to. I live in OK where the poo is EVERYWHERE.
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skeletor
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Re: experiment time! [Re: figment]
#5504180 - 04/11/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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one don't use teh oven tek it doesn't work to your experiment will fail. you can't just dump LC to poo. it just doesnt' catch hence why people do grain to poo. if LC- poo worked most people wouild be happy skipping the grain step. unfortunetly you can't with any realistic sucess. i forgot who tryed it but it was about 2/50 that worked. just saving you time. use that lc to knock up some grain.
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cappa
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Re: experiment time! [Re: skeletor]
#5504199 - 04/11/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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A friend of mine is fanatical about skipping spawning steps. I don't really know why, he just is.
Anyways, he is having what appears to be good success by adding some pre-prepared grains inside of his bags, on top of the bulk substrate. Then he innocs the grains with an LC and as soon as they start ripping it up, he massages the bags and distributes it throughout the bag. I believe he is using straw and a bulk.
Maybe something like that would work for you. I dunno.
Just sharing. I take no part or credit in this, lol.
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figment
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Re: experiment time! [Re: skeletor]
#5504202 - 04/11/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well Skeletor...I've already done it. I plan on keeping everyone posted anyway. It's worth a shot in my opinion. It is an experiment after all. The oven tek has always worked for me by the way, NEVER had contam problems when using it.
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skeletor
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Re: experiment time! [Re: figment]
#5504218 - 04/11/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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im just saying its been done. and Myth busted. people take critisism so hard here. look im not attacking you im just saying ive read its been done and doesn't work, really im trying to help save you the effort. also if the oven tek works for you great like i said i havn't done it. but the old hands and most other poeple that do say it sucks.
however that grain on top idea is neato. see teh problem with just LC to poo is forwhatever reason the myc in the LC can't get a hold on the poo. however having gerain on top we all know LC can go to grain quite well. so the lc starts on the grain and then is massaged into the poo like you said. thats just doing both steps at once but you are doing both steps. im gonna try this next grow.
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Re: experiment time! [Re: skeletor]
#5504308 - 04/11/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No offence to anyone but this is why I love skeletor, he truely tells it like it is, IMOP. figment why don't you do 1 lb of poo and the other use a G2G, or you did mention you hade 20 odd more, but to agree what skeletor said, i have read posts (i will try to find them if i can) and it doesn't work, but hey try it and tell us all what happens
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Re: experiment time! [Re: Babo911]
#5504319 - 04/11/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh and skeletor, i have not run any more monkeys over recently
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figment
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Re: experiment time! [Re: Babo911]
#5505817 - 04/11/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'll keep you guys posted. And Skeletor, just so you know I took no offense to what you said dude. I was just saying that I had JUST done it...like a few minutes before you posted...not that I had already done it and it worked. I was not throwing you opinion out the window. But maybe tomorrow I will throw some WBS in there and see what happens. I know it can't be too late.
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skeletor
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Re: experiment time! [Re: figment]
#5506123 - 04/11/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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my next grown i think im going to try this poo grain on top thing. maybe you can beat me to it and prove it works haha. thats anoying i was going to PM you to not do it but i thought i had time. if you have a GB or flow hood doing up a jar or grain in the PC hydrated of course and tossing that in might do the trick. or maybe even shooting in a spare cc or spore solution or LC if you have some kicking around. im not sure how well any of what i just said woudl work. in theory it should if you can do it in clean air. thats the tough part good luck. keep it updated. or me at least im curious.
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Re: experiment time! [Re: skeletor]
#5507916 - 04/12/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought about trying this very idea. The way I wanted to do it was use a jar of dry verm. Sterilize it in the pressure cooker, inject the LC into that jar, shaked it up to coat the verm with LC, and then dump the verm into the bulk substrate of your choosing.
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figment
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That sounds like a good experiment too. All this talk about the myc having something to latch on to...well...I don't see why it couldn't latch onto verm and then network through the poo. Try it Vakereli! I'm in the process of doing it using WBS and I'll let you guys know.
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