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Fun with Tryptamines
    #550088 - 02/13/02 01:13 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

I was browsing through my copy of TiHKAL and came across something in the 4-HO-DET commentary about feeding your mycelium different tryptamines and 4-hydroxylase them through the mushroom's metabolic system. Shulgin mentions feeding them DMT which turns into psilocin (4-HO-DMT) and he mentions using DET to produce 4-HO-DET. I was wondering if any of you people have tried using any of the other tryptamines. Shulgin says that the mushroom just converts any tryptamine present into its 4-ho form.


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Re: Fun with Tryptamines [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #550097 - 02/13/02 01:18 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

There was a thread around here a long while back where somebody had added Mimosa root bark (contains DMT) either to the casing or substrate, I can't remember now. I also don't remember the outcome. This topic comes up from time to time and should have quite a bit of info already posted in the archives.


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Re: Fun with Tryptamines [Re: Seuss]
    #550185 - 02/13/02 02:33 PM (22 years, 13 days ago)

I'm not talking about using anything like that. I am talking about injecting the ogranism with synthetic DMT/and or other chemicals.


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Re: Fun with Tryptamines [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #550699 - 02/13/02 11:37 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

how? where might a person obtain a transferable form of tryptamine? would spraying it on the casing work?

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Re: Fun with Tryptamines [Re: Zadig]
    #551637 - 02/14/02 05:27 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

TiHKAL never said anything about feeding pure tryptamine to them. It talked about feeding them N N Dimythltryptamine (DMT) thus producing 4-HO-DMT (Psilocin). But if for some reason you would want pure tryptamine the only way I know to get it is by making it. But I think that would be illegal, I don't really know. I was talking (hypotheticly) of course about using alkaloids in the tryptamine faimly such as DMT,DET,DPT,DIPT,MET,MIPT,MPT. Other cheicals in ths family are LSD-25, Psilocin, and Psilocyben.


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Re: Fun with Tryptamines [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #551937 - 02/14/02 10:25 PM (22 years, 11 days ago)

I am no chemist, but if this is true, then in theory would LSA be applicable in this situation?


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Re: Fun with Tryptamines [Re: Zadig]
    #552046 - 02/15/02 12:04 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Fun with Tryptamines [Re: highonlife]
    #552851 - 02/15/02 05:17 PM (22 years, 11 days ago)

LSA would be metabolized into 4-HO-LSA. There is no entry for it in TiHKAL and I have never heard of any experiments with it so it may or may not even be psychoactive. You would probably want to use something you know would be psychoactive in its 4-HO form.


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Re: Fun with Tryptamines [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #554322 - 02/17/02 09:29 AM (22 years, 9 days ago)

Correct me if i'm wrong but:

the lsa molecule is already substituted with a bunch of junk at the 4 position on the indole ring. Therefore, you cannot hydroxylate it at the 4 position, because it is already taken.

chem compare: lsa/tryptamine
chem compare: lsa/4-ho-dmt (psilocin)


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