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Bentham, Mills, and Utilitarianism
    #5500723 - 04/10/06 08:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

What are your stances on utilitarianism? Do you think that pleasure should be the deciding factor of what is moral or not? Do you think utilitarianism could actually be globaly put into action? What is your best criticism against utilitarianism? Who do you think was right in defining what pleasure is...Bentham or Mills (is pleasure qualitive or quantitive)?

I have a paper to write for the next 2 weeks and would like to get some ideas.


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Re: Bentham, Mills, and Utilitarianism [Re: phishphish2]
    #5501019 - 04/10/06 09:36 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Utilitarianism is only doing something if it has a direct use to your life, right? Say, you're not going to read a book just for the literary aspect if it has nothing to offer you directly.

If that's the definition, then the definition is flawed. Anything that is regarded to be educational will help you, it is impossible to disregard it as completely useless (unless you already read the information) hence almost everything can be applied to the vast experiences of one's life. Or is it a form of minimalism, learning only what to you're studying and nothing else, no branching off into subtopics, no seeking new hobbies? If that's the case, then you cannot progress your learning because you have to consider of the spectrum of other's views to understand the subject.

If one believes to be truly utilitarian, he should check his progress, because there will be contradictions.


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Re: Bentham, Mills, and Utilitarianism [Re: Fospher]
    #5501058 - 04/10/06 09:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Utilitarianism is a theory of ethics that prescribes the quantitative maximization of good consequences for a population.

Mills definition was:
An action is right if and only if it conforms to a rule, which if genearly adhered to, would maximize happyness.

Benthams version was:
An action is only right if and only if it maximizes happiness.

It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what makes YOU happy but what will make the MOST people happy.


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Re: Bentham, Mills, and Utilitarianism [Re: phishphish2]
    #5501158 - 04/10/06 10:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

And what makes that which makes the most people happy right?

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Re: Bentham, Mills, and Utilitarianism [Re: phishphish2]
    #5503458 - 04/11/06 02:58 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one."



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Re: Bentham, Mills, and Utilitarianism [Re: Fospher]
    #5503481 - 04/11/06 03:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Fospher said:
Utilitarianism is only doing something if it has a direct use to your life, right? Say, you're not going to read a book just for the literary aspect if it has nothing to offer you directly.



No, that's pragmatism.


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Re: Bentham, Mills, and Utilitarianism [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5503498 - 04/11/06 03:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Markos, do you reall believe that?
Who decides what is ultimately good and bad?
The Romans crucified Jesus for the good of Rome.

We are invading Iraq, for the good of our economy. Does that make it right or correct?

Sometimes what is best for people, is not the immediate choice or the most pleasant. Sometimes hardwork, pain, and deconstruction are necessary. Again, what is the ultimate deciding factor of many... especially, if the masses are unable to decide for themselves?


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Re: Bentham, Mills, and Utilitarianism [Re: psyka]
    #5503614 - 04/11/06 03:41 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Um...I was just illustrating a well known fictional application of a utiltarian principle. You remember...Vulcan ethics.

Nevertheless, my moronic former assistant principal tried to put 30 kilos of cocaine on the street because he wanted to live large at the expense of those kids who might have died from it (I've lost 3 counselees to coke OD death in just one Miami middle school). He got busted and got a 30 year sentence. Good for him. Utilitarianism-in-action. Imagine being so stupid that you believe that big-time drug dealers are gonna let you drive off with 30 kilos in your car's trunk - no money down! That's what he did. As soon as he turned the ignition key, the drug dealers turned back into DEA agents and arrested his stupid sorry self. Society does well to remove that degree of stupidity/selfishness from the rest of us. I remember counseling kids who thought of AP Willie Young as 'Big Daddy' when they discovered that beyond 'cool' was cold a and uncaring man.

30 Keys of coke is a lot of death on the streets of the 5th poorest city in the USA - a lot of crime and a lot of addiction. That is a modern day, factual example of the utilitarian nature of ethics and the laws that enforce those ethics because the multitudes are unethical and criminal.


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Re: Bentham, Mills, and Utilitarianism [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5503663 - 04/11/06 03:51 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Aaah, I see.

I'd be interested to know how your AP got involved in the first place. 30 key's of coke... thats pretty extreme. How does one not realize the implications of danger in that situation?

That guy deserves a Darwin award.


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