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jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L
    #5500629 - 04/10/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well I've been hearing about the jimson weed, allot of kids in my area trip off of it. i did it last night and what it did was make parts of the wall stretch to you. and the parts that weren't moving where moving like water. also i kept hearing voices. and there familiar voices.. like i hard my sister talking to me while i was vacuuming and she asked were our mom was and i answered.. but in my head and so the voice replied.

(i don't like the fact my pupils can get big for a known record of 3 weeks from eriods)

P.S i liked it quite allot I've noticed if your close your eyes you can bring up very vivid dreams.. but your not fully awake so you still have control

has any one else done this?.. and how was your trip?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: blacklight68]
    #5500656 - 04/10/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

datura is quite dangeorus and can be deadly, if I remember correctly.

it's not really a safe hallucinagen to be experimenting with.
and by not really i mean not at all.

i've read reports of people tripping for days being completely delusional and unable to tell mind from reality.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: leery11]
    #5500667 - 04/10/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah.. it wasnt to bad.. but alot of people do get sick or die.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: leery11]
    #5500669 - 04/10/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I will probably try it someday... my brother likes her... but at this moment, as for more unusual experiences, I'd have to admit that I'm much more interested in Iboga.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: blacklight68]
    #5500695 - 04/10/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

An old friend of mine once tried datura. He spent several hours sitting on a couch having hallucinations of people that weren't there, and talking to various inanimate objects. I've since learned via research that datura has an acute neurotoxic effect. It can also raise blood pressure to dangerously high levels with a relatively small dose.

In my opinion, you'd be far better off smoking a bowl next time you get the urge to try datura again.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: jcdangerously]
    #5500925 - 04/10/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I had some datura a couple months back. I ended up driving home against my will and throwing a gigantic party at my house. The only problem was even though i was chillin with all these people, none of them were actually there. The only two real people i saw that night were my parents and eventually the doctor at the hospital the next morning because my parents thought my brain was FUCKED.

IME DATURA IS NOT TO BE FUCKED WITH. EVER. PERIOD.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: KingSpade]
    #5500939 - 04/10/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you did datura and then proceeded to use your vacuum? interesting...


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: KingSpade]
    #5500952 - 04/10/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Definitely not the type of drug you'd want to take around your parents, or anyone else that shouldn't know you've taken it.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #5500956 - 04/10/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thank god for this post, I was a couple hours away from buying some. Anyone have a suggestion for anything else. I want to try something uncommon with my buddies, but nothing thats gonna poison one of us to the point of ER use.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5501108 - 04/10/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Datura causes hallucinations because you're approaching the toxic dose. Lots of substances will cause hallucinations when you approach the toxic dose. That doesn't mean that it's an hallucogenic drug. It means that you're dying and you should take steps to correct the situation.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: TurricaN]
    #5501149 - 04/10/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

When i didn datura, i got lots of audio hallucinations, not really much for visiuals but the occasion glimpse. more like seeing a cat run across the room but you know that their really was no cat. Or constantly looking for the ciggarette that you dropped because you could have sworn that you were smokeing one. most of the audio hallucinations i had were people arguing, not just any people, but the people at the house that i was at. And I know that they weren't even talking. Trying to sleep was interesting becasue i would constantly wake up, do some weird shit like blindly feeling the floor for a glass of water even though i don't have one of those either. I was laying their half ass sleeping, when my friend woke up and starting freaking out. he told me that when he woke up and looked at the ceiling all he could see were giant spiders decending from the ceiling onto him. He ran upstairs and was yelling at his mom to kill the spiders, while i was downstairs like :oh fuck, don't look at my eyes".

All in all, I would have to say that, this drug has a promising chance of driving someone to really hurt themselves if they believe that have to enough, example: seeing little bugs crawling all over their arms, if i recall, i occasionally saw bugs crawling on me)

I wouldn't recommend it for someone that has no to little experience in psychadelics.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5501166 - 04/10/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Be careful with ibog/ibogaine too though, as there seems to be some speculation regarding its toxicity.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: thelorax121]
    #5501198 - 04/10/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Is it just me, or does the typical Datura trip seem to resemble the effects that anti-drug organisations and websites typically describe for LSD?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: TurricaN]
    #5501242 - 04/10/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i've thought about that.

i mean basically if you took all the bad things people say about acid and mushrooms, they seem to apply to datura.

i haven't done acid or mushrooms though. i sure want to but not after going nutty on dxm. maybe in a while...? i just heard a loopy story that someone had a huge sheet down near here and was giving out random doses to some drunk ass girls..... well that's not on topic though.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: TurricaN]
    #5501252 - 04/10/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

my parents caught me trippin on datura as well haha i almost drank laundry bleach when they were in the kitchen.. i took the Pepsi out of the fridge and set it down by the bleach(they just got back from grocery shopping) and thank god they stopped me. then i sat down and they asked if i was sleep walking and i grinning like an idiot and laughing like a loon..... my mom checked my eyes and they told me to go lay down... although i did have lots of delusions prior to this haha my experience would take way to long to type out... its way dangerous and i probably wont do it again.. but there some datura growing across the street haha :smile: i to would like to try some iboga! i dont know where to get any though:(


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: shopdropper]
    #5501363 - 04/10/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Its more likely to fuck with you mentally than physically. Any I would only work with that stuff at a very low dose.
I have tried tree datura(very similare and for the most part the same but more enjoyable). I remember seeing a picture of a little kid in the amazon, a practicing shaman holding his favorite plant hallucinogen, tree datura. After I had tried it at what might be considered a small dose, I just remember pondering the actual size of that kids balls. They must be pretty fucking big!

SOme one said......."Is it just me, or does the typical Datura trip seem to resemble the effects that anti-drug organisations and websites typically describe for LSD"?

Exactly...... on a high dose, I would imagine you could lose touch with reality to the point where, though you wont jump out a window, you could easily get your self hurt or killed. The blood pressure aspect, the numb out of body feelings, dreams mingling with reality, and the rapid heart rate were even apparent at a relatively low dose, for me. It was very interesting, though I wouldnt do it again. Deleriants just fuck with your head a little too much.
Its true, it can indeed kill.
There are chemical weapons(gas) that were made to disorient the enemy, and they were synthesized to mimic organic tropanes and are infact tropanes themselves. I saw this on the discovery channel, and apparently the only times it has been used, the opposing army started killing each other before the other side lifted a finger.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: shopdropper]
    #5501374 - 04/10/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Smoking imaginary cig/blunts/bowls was something that happened alot when i was on datura. I would even be standing in a circle of my 'friends' in my room waiting for the bowl to get to me, watching my friends take hits and blow out smoke and everything, even tho i was all alone.

Trying to sleep is also as someone said above really akward. I would wake myself up by saying the most random things like "I just set it over there on the desk!" or "I can't believe you just said that!".


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: KingSpade]
    #5501466 - 04/10/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

talking to people that weren't really there fucked with me alot, its the weirdest thing


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
    #5501511 - 04/10/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well I've always been wondering, what about after affects? I have a friend who did it once and said that at times he still has residual mental affects from his datura trip, which are slight but noticeable... He didn't really go into detail, does anyone care to shed some light on this aspect of the experience? Is this common?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: today mylove]
    #5501536 - 04/10/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't recall haveing any after effects, but then again it was 5-6 years ago, and i was in high school. But if I recall, i didn't even get hangovers in high school. So i migt feel after effects now if i were to take it again, which i have no plans on takeing it again.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
    #5501575 - 04/10/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I know someone who did Datura with a friend, doesn't remember any of it other than waking up in jail, his friend's ribs COMPLETELY fucked up, cops had no records of their arrest, nobody can account for why his friend's ribs were fucked, nobody has any idea what happened between onset and end


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: StickyWater]
    #5501606 - 04/10/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Or they are just too embarrassed of what really happened, like some chick kicked their ass and they figured they would just say, "I don't remember"


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
    #5501736 - 04/10/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Or they are just too embarrassed of what really happened, like some chick kicked their ass and they figured they would just say, "I don't remember"




I doubt that, datura is a total mindfuck and i only remember like 5 or 10% of my 6 hour peak of this drug. When i was aware the next morning i was still tripping, but i discovered that over the night i had completely lost my keys, various items in our house were missing, and i called my girlfriend really early in the morning saying fucked up shit without even remembering it.

The entire next day i would wake up and think that i had my keys in my hand, walk out to my car glancing down at my keys, and suddenly they disappeared from my hands when i got near my car.

This experience is really too wild to describe in full detail. When i was on datura it was in chocolate bars that i actually thought had mushrooms in them. But i was so past the point of being fucked up that i didn't even remember i took a damn thing and every completely off the wall thing i was doing seemed completely normal.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
    #5501744 - 04/10/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Datura can a has taken life. It is a shamons drug and needs to be respected like a sacriment
like you said P.S i liked it quite allot I've noticed if your close your eyes you can bring up very vivid dreams.. but your not fully awake so you still have control.
at the same time you are not in control and more often then not people cant tell the difference. please tell you freinds it is not for "fun" it can kill you. (I am not saying it kills all so to all you "I do it all the time and I am fine kids") I am saying it can and does. be careful

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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: mrjim202000]
    #5502339 - 04/11/06 03:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I remember reading that in hunter S thompsons later life, he was big into tropanes. He considered his favorite hallucinogen to be mushrooms, but he used jimson weed tea far more often. Considering the type of person he was, its no wonder he liked the stuff so much.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: stemmer]
    #5504344 - 04/11/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I _strongly_ advise against using it for these reasons:

my friend chris last year, who used to smoke and shroom with a group of us made a tea with a decent dose in it, he tripped hard for almost 2 days and a lot of the time he couldnt handle it, started crying, arguing violently with the furniture, and I'd say he had way too much of a bad time than most people could ever go through.

What sucks most of all is the fact that he was so horrified by the experience that he will never touch anything, even some weed, again.

It really depends on the person and the dose like anything else, but I just think its one of those things that isnt worth the risk. Psilocybin, LSA, LSD, salvia are plenty strong enough and enjoyable, why take something that can kill you?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Syriss162]
    #5504636 - 04/11/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My experience with datura was accidental.
Me and my best trip buddy enjoy mixing datura with bud and smoking the mixture, but I smoked a little too much that time. I only had one real hallucination, and it was very frightening.
We had parked in a pool parking lot and walked across the street to smoke in the woods. There were 2 cars in hte lot, the manager's truck and my friend's jeep.
When we got back from smoking, I turned to my friend and said, "who's car is that?" as I had clearly seen 3 cars in the lot at that point.
He said, "dude, that's my jeep..." and I replied, "No not that one, the one next to it!"
After several minutes of abbot & costello-like arguing, The third car vanished in front of me and I was left staring at the 2 cars that were really there. I would describe the vanishing like what happens when you cross your eyes, then uncross them. The third car simply shifted from my vision.

TheMadConductor, whoever tried to sell you Datura should be beaten. It is common and has no street value. Basically, someone tried to poison you and jack your money at the same time.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5504696 - 04/11/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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TheMadConductor, whoever tried to sell you Datura should be beaten. It is common and has no street value. Basically, someone tried to poison you and jack your money at the same time.




They sell it for about $16/ounce at the health food store just down the road...


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: StickyWater]
    #15826626 - 02/18/12 03:52 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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I know someone who did Datura with a friend, doesn't remember any of it other than waking up in jail, his friend's ribs COMPLETELY fucked up, cops had no records of their arrest, nobody can account for why his friend's ribs were fucked, nobody has any idea what happened between onset and end


ff 5 years

prob corrupt coppers didnt want to get in shit for bashing some off chopps unlucky punters

Your not wrong mr...

I've used this plant for a couple of years now. I've had multiple simmilar experiences when carelessly taking it without letting anybody know and going out on little jurneys. (A mistake admitably but im an entrepreneur at this so it's to be expected, also connecting mysef with online social networks discusing datura use such as this wern't part of my preperation) I remediated this to the fullest extent, practicing in a much safer fashion with sober sitters present and being one myself on a take turn roster type of deal with some pals also interested in datura.

There are periods on datura where the users memory evidently fails them that the sitter can recall them fairly well, consciously decision making.

I myself on one of my unguided trips, consciously enough so, trecked for about 5 killometers at an attempt to get home in the dark, and was chaperoned by a stranger into thier house where I lay unconcious untill i awoke to a fammiliar voice... It was the last time I saw the person who woke me up, and he wasn't very insightfull a day later on the phone. He says the person who found me took me home and then called him to help. My memory fails me most of the way on this trip but my next concious moment was the next morning when some cheeky school kid did something that i percieved in a metaphystical kinda insidious way. I didnt know what he's done but i just knew it was deceitful...

I like this plant alot and find it even quite relaxing. When I enter into it's awesome powerful psychadelic realm I do so knowing a fair amount about whats going to take place. I know how im going to feel for the most of it, although alot of those effects people complain about being too uncomfortable but im quite comfortable in that almost zombie like state. I just keep plenty of water and food, music is good. A sober guide for an outing in a non built up place is very good. I've even noticed having quite alot of energy at the end of it all at about the end of day three. I just feel really good pumping weights after a good trip of any sort realy.

Towards the end of a very long trip I had amazing visions and a feeling as though i was falling through a vortex. The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species. Humans are the only species among them i can identify. It was not bad at all by my standards and well worth it.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Jdub1]
    #15827130 - 02/18/12 09:46 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species.




How do the effects of these anticholinergic substances differ from the effects of the classic substances?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Jdub1]
    #15827237 - 02/18/12 10:35 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

the stuff if obviously powerful and can lead to trouble without the proper precautions, but i wanna try it more than anything. i feel like it would resemble my "far out man" deliriant trip with amanitas, being unable to tell between reality and wherever it takes you.

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I know someone who did Datura with a friend, doesn't remember any of it other than waking up in jail, his friend's ribs COMPLETELY fucked up, cops had no records of their arrest, nobody can account for why his friend's ribs were fucked, nobody has any idea what happened between onset and end


ff 5 years

prob corrupt coppers didnt want to get in shit for bashing some off chopps unlucky punters

Your not wrong mr...

I've used this plant for a couple of years now. I've had multiple simmilar experiences when carelessly taking it without letting anybody know and going out on little jurneys. (A mistake admitably but im an entrepreneur at this so it's to be expected, also connecting mysef with online social networks discusing datura use such as this wern't part of my preperation) I remediated this to the fullest extent, practicing in a much safer fashion with sober sitters present and being one myself on a take turn roster type of deal with some pals also interested in datura.

There are periods on datura where the users memory evidently fails them that the sitter can recall them fairly well, consciously decision making.

I myself on one of my unguided trips, consciously enough so, trecked for about 5 killometers at an attempt to get home in the dark, and was chaperoned by a stranger into thier house where I lay unconcious untill i awoke to a fammiliar voice... It was the last time I saw the person who woke me up, and he wasn't very insightfull a day later on the phone. He says the person who found me took me home and then called him to help. My memory fails me most of the way on this trip but my next concious moment was the next morning when some cheeky school kid did something that i percieved in a metaphystical kinda insidious way. I didnt know what he's done but i just knew it was deceitful...

I like this plant alot and find it even quite relaxing. When I enter into it's awesome powerful psychadelic realm I do so knowing a fair amount about whats going to take place. I know how im going to feel for the most of it, although alot of those effects people complain about being too uncomfortable but im quite comfortable in that almost zombie like state. I just keep plenty of water and food, music is good. A sober guide for an outing in a non built up place is very good. I've even noticed having quite alot of energy at the end of it all at about the end of day three. I just feel really good pumping weights after a good trip of any sort realy.

Towards the end of a very long trip I had amazing visions and a feeling as though i was falling through a vortex. The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species. Humans are the only species among them i can identify. It was not bad at all by my standards and well worth it.





i read that thread you posted about your datura use last month, and it's made me FIEND for it. the only thing holding me up is the only person i would trust to be my sitter for this doesn't live anywhere near me. i don't think i know anybody around here that i would trust to ensure that i take care of my life for a couple of days.

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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: questioneverything]
    #15827394 - 02/18/12 11:23 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

After I read a story how kid cut his dick and tongue off I'm done with beeing interested in trying datura.

Grandpa tol me how farmers of their personal reasons used to trow datura leaves to other farmers cow flocks...All cows died the same day.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Orkidea]
    #15827524 - 02/18/12 11:56 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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After I read a story how kid cut his dick and tongue off I'm done with beeing interested in trying datura.

Grandpa tol me how farmers of their personal reasons used to trow datura leaves to other farmers cow flocks...All cows died the same day.



 

I realize you're only putting that out there for your personal reason not to try datura, but I see that you say that and I'm still not afraid to try that. The thing I hate is that now you've put that thought in my head whereas before you said it, it never would've been there, so even though I will squash that fear eventually, immediately after reading I get the thought:  "oh shit. What if when I'm not myself I accidentally cut my dick and tongue off?"

My point is that I think that approach is more harmful than helpful. Why not just state the obvious and say something like "this stuff is so powerful it can make you forget who you are" instead of throwing those unhelpful morbid tidbits of info out there? I mean, I abhor violence. I have no mind that dwells on things like that, but because I'm a product of my environment I now have that image in my head that, without your intrusion, wouldn't've been there. I don't mean to harp on you bra. But maybe you can see from my perspective and maybe decide that it was in fact as harmful as you meant for it to be helpful.

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    #15827561 - 02/18/12 12:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

technically you've committed no wrong, because i trust that what you said is truth. it's just that if people on datura do some fucked up stuff, well man i feel really bad for them, but knowing the details of how fucked up what they've done isn't absolutely necessary. it's truth and therefore has its relevance, but i don't need other people's fucked up examples to influence my experience. i'd like to be as safe as possible, have a sitter that's as safe and prepared and possible, and strive to have no kind of macabre thoughts going into it. unfortunately the world isn't perfect. i'm sorry if i offended you. i just hate hearing about stuff like that.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: questioneverything]
    #15827577 - 02/18/12 12:16 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Well, if you want to be an informed taker you should hear about both sides of the spectrum. But it's not much fun to hear about bad experiences when you want to try it.


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    #15827612 - 02/18/12 12:25 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species.




How do the effects of these anticholinergic substances differ from the effects of the classic substances?






haven't tried datura yet, but if you have any experience with dissociatives or deliriants, i'd bet it's a lot more similar to those than psychedelics.

for example:  the difference between allergy relieving benadryl and psychomimetic benadryl is only in the dose. i took 30 benadryl once and couldn't possibly realize for the life of me that my mother was asleep in her bed and not standing in my doorway having a conversation with me. this to me is different from psychedelics (which i assume you mean by "classic substances") because instead of lucidly enjoying "hyperspatial" visuals transposed onto the 3d world i could discern as communal reality, i was convinced that an apparition of my mother and other figures throughout the course of the trip were actually communal reality. the conversations would be extremely involved by both parties and the only thing that would remind me that i was under the influence of a drug and not actually in those situations was the fact that sometimes i would close my eyes, open them back up, and see that that conversation had never really happened. i was still lying in my bed alone during the early hours of the morning with a note lying on my bedstand that i had written detailing what i had taken and how i might be acting.

it's a different experience and i think having a sitter is key. you can't know what it's like to forget who, what, when, why, where you are until it's actually happened to you. but i'm not assuming you don't know what it's like. my point is to try to answer your question of how it might differ from the "classic substances."

is this what you were talking about?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: King Klick]
    #15827630 - 02/18/12 12:32 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, if you want to be an informed taker you should hear about both sides of the spectrum. But it's not much fun to hear about bad experiences when you want to try it.





exactly right and i agree. i tried to clear that up with my second response. the only thing is that i know the extent that it can reach. i know that taking a deliriant is pretty much agreeing to induce psychosis upon yourself; therefore you're not to be trusted. you need a sitter.

i was just trying to say that i've heard some of the horror stories. yeah they're relevant because they are truth. but as an analogy i know that the holocaust is truth and deserves its attention, but i don't want those images to be thrust upon me without my consent and preparation. however they are an important part of history and sometimes i deem it necessary to let those images find their way into my head by way of an informative video or something along those line. there's a time and place for it. i think the time and place for stuff like that the brutal shit that some poor soul brought upon himself in psychosis has its time and place, preferably when i'm researching datura effects. it's not like it's the first time i've heard this stuff. i'm just saying i find no delight in hearing it.

but all things considered, he technically committed no error, like i said. i'm just overreacting because i don't like to have those things on my mind.


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    #15827704 - 02/18/12 12:57 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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TheMadConductor, whoever tried to sell you Datura should be beaten. It is common and has no street value. Basically, someone tried to poison you and jack your money at the same time.




They sell it for about $16/ounce at the health food store just down the road...





i feel like an ass for commenting so much on this thread, and the bulk of those comments being that weird rant, but this is crazy to me. i've never checked on trying to actually get some of it. i was expecting to have to order from out of the country or something. is it really this accessible?


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    #15827714 - 02/18/12 01:00 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You can find it on the side of the road. :lol:


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    #15827757 - 02/18/12 01:07 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

well, well, well....my wildest dreams can come true for free?

i've always wanted to cut my dick and tongue off. i didn't know i didn't have to pay to do it.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: questioneverything]
    #15828146 - 02/18/12 02:45 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The important thing to remember here is that mushrooms, LSD, 2c-x's, etc. are all psychedelics.
Datura is a deliriant.

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The delirium produced is characterized by stupor, utter confusion, confabulation, and regression to "phantom" behaviors such as disrobing and plucking. Other commonly reported behaviors include holding full and lifelike conversations with imagined people, finishing a complex, multi-stage action (such as getting dressed) and then suddenly discovering you had not even begun yet, and being unable to recognize one's own reflection in a mirror.
The effects have been likened to sleepwalking, a fugue state or a psychotic episode (particularly in that the subject has minimal control over their actions and little to no recall of the experience). This is a notable departure from typical hallucinogens




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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: questioneverything]
    #15828326 - 02/18/12 03:36 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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the stuff if obviously powerful and can lead to trouble without the proper precautions, but i wanna try it more than anything. i feel like it would resemble my "far out man" deliriant trip with amanitas, being unable to tell between reality and wherever it takes you.



i read that thread you posted about your datura use last month, and it's made me FIEND for it. the only thing holding me up is the only person i would trust to be my sitter for this doesn't live anywhere near me. i don't think i know anybody around here that i would trust to ensure that i take care of my life for a couple of days.

but it sounds like the ultimate plant to me.





Its an amazing plant thats for sure. I've found that the most hectic part of the trip when the user may become completlely delerious and can even pass out for hours at a time, happens in the first twenty four hours. (when found in this state by someone who dont know shit about what your on, you wont be able to tell them and they'll jump on the good samaritan wagon and get you into deep shit) If you can get a sitter atleast for the first 24 hours when you may not be resposive thats prob going to save you the trouble of being taken to hospital. But not at a large dose. Large dose = 2-3 day sitter I sugest.

I passed out one night after staring at these insects that I was trying to show too my sitter. I could definitly see them and they were atracted to me. There little antenna moving around, pointing in my direction as i moved about, and they were shooting little threads at me like a spiders web. I noticed they seemed to be nesting in shadows. I could see them hudled up under my curtins. I saw a large hive type of tructure (in the light) on the carpet that seemed to be woven out of this silk they were shooting. (I percieved this as the queen of these insects) I tryed to touch it but my hand would go straight through it like it had no solidity to it but it was definitly there, i could see it. It was in a fixed possistion and would not move at all. I was sitting next to the gas heater and i saw them even pouring out of there as if they were showing me that they could withstand any heat. Just hours earlier when i discovered them i was intrigued at first, but when i noticed that they were even on the surface of my skin and they were entering and exiting my body, i took an earosol can and a lighter and decided to flame thrower them. Now these insects were morphing into other little creatures aswell, larger insects which had legs a body and a head and there were many of them. Now they seemed to be resistant of the flames although some of them did infact die. I began to question wether i was doing myself any good by bringing these little creatures to such severe justice with my makeshift flame thrower. I decided there were too many of them and they've obviously infested my home well and truely, but in no other state could i even see them in the slightest. I seriously believe that these insicts do exist and it takes this plant to become aware of them, but too anybody els present you'll be such a wreck, with dried mouth and the loss of the ability to clearly comunicate, they'll asume you've gone mad if they are not experienced themselves...

Then I intentionally fell asleep on the floor that night. The next morning my sitter tells me i got up walked into the kitchen, took a large pair of scisors, came back intot he lounge room and took to the silky hive with my scissors. She did not know that i was actually asleep the whole time this was happening. There is now a cut about 4inches long on the rug where i had been cutting. I have no recolection of this taking place. Infact It has happened quite alot, where i will go to sleep only to get up and do crazy things in my sleep, like microwave a bottle of tomato sauce.

So the sitter needs to know that when the user goes to sleep, it is actually still very important that they are still watched because thats when they can get up and go awol completly free of thier own will.

I could go on but i'll leave it there. Done be put off by people saying you;ll cut bits of yourself off. You wont experience the loss of nerve for you to cut into yourself anyway.

But you've been well warned by other members not to do this unsupervised. make arangements for a sitter, and happy safe tripping.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: questioneverything]
    #15830226 - 02/19/12 12:04 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Jdub1 said:
The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species.




How do the effects of these anticholinergic substances differ from the effects of the classic substances?






haven't tried datura yet, but if you have any experience with dissociatives or deliriants, i'd bet it's a lot more similar to those than psychedelics.

for example:  the difference between allergy relieving benadryl and psychomimetic benadryl is only in the dose. i took 30 benadryl once and couldn't possibly realize for the life of me that my mother was asleep in her bed and not standing in my doorway having a conversation with me. this to me is different from psychedelics (which i assume you mean by "classic substances") because instead of lucidly enjoying "hyperspatial" visuals transposed onto the 3d world i could discern as communal reality, i was convinced that an apparition of my mother and other figures throughout the course of the trip were actually communal reality. the conversations would be extremely involved by both parties and the only thing that would remind me that i was under the influence of a drug and not actually in those situations was the fact that sometimes i would close my eyes, open them back up, and see that that conversation had never really happened. i was still lying in my bed alone during the early hours of the morning with a note lying on my bedstand that i had written detailing what i had taken and how i might be acting.

it's a different experience and i think having a sitter is key. you can't know what it's like to forget who, what, when, why, where you are until it's actually happened to you. but i'm not assuming you don't know what it's like. my point is to try to answer your question of how it might differ from the "classic substances."

is this what you were talking about?



The psychological effects of datura and diphenhydramine are almost identical. The physical effects of datura though are far more uncomfortable and it's impossible to dose. I would suggest you not take datura and not because of the risks, but because you can have and you have had the exact same experience only without the overwhelming discomfort.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Meteloides]
    #15831872 - 02/19/12 11:55 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Warping or waving of surfaces and edges
Textured surfaces
"Dancing" lines; "spiders", insects; form constants
Lifelike objects indistinguishable from reality
Hallucinated presence of people not actually there

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    #15836903 - 02/20/12 10:01 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

:pleasetellmemore:

wow, i remember this old ass post.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
    #15837202 - 02/20/12 11:45 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

if you ever are temoted to do datura


DO IT!!!


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    #15837252 - 02/20/12 11:56 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'm going to one day. It's high on my hitlist. I wanna grow it myself though, talk to those blooming flowers like dey my girlfriends and shit so maybe she doesn't take me for a miserable ride.


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    #15837449 - 02/20/12 12:40 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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:pleasetellmemore:

wow, i remember this old ass post.




Just looked at the date of the first post and, Jesus, yeah.
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Hey everyone. Hi my name is Adam I am new on shroomery. I have read numerous posts here but I have recently joined. My goal is to add to knowledge and meet other like-minds. I am a musician, artist, researcher, and gardener. My passion is the Nightshade Family, the Solanaceae. I have spent countless hours studying, growing, and learning Her ways. It was rather unusual but She began coming through to me in dreams while I was in prison. I then took up studying Her as much as I could before I got out. I grow many of Her species. All types of Datura, Brugmansia, Henbane, Belladonna, etc. There is no plant I find more interesting than Hers. I have a website I run about it: Poison Path I am not posting this so much to advertise because my site doesn't sell anything but is devoted to those who, like myself, have failed to find an all-inclusive, definitive site for the Nightshade Family. She certainly deserves one. This site is always being expanded upon and I am in the process of numerous new posts- CIA Mind-Control/Army Chemical Warfare drug, Manson Family Recipe, Zombie Parties & Phantom Cigarettes, Belladonna/Henbane: Bee Shamanism & Psychoactive Honey just to name a few. This website will be the foundation culminating in a book covering said material. I cover a far reaching spectrum so I hope you guys appreciate this as much as I do. Also, please keep in mind I am human not a machine so don't be too harsh if I make any mistakes...

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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Datura_Delphi]
    #23205856 - 05/09/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

You're pretty brave to experiment with Datura. Dosing would be super tricky, as i would imagine for this plant.

But shamans used to use it, without dieing. Its possible to use it as a visionary plant.

Be safe and tread lightly. And posts your trip reports, if u can remember them :lol:


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    #23208350 - 05/10/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks... haha I take it very slow and gradual that is the ONLY way to go with tropanes in my opinion. this is what I mean by gradual: this is a post from earlier in another thread:

I enjoy psychedelics. I'm mostly into LSA. Yesterday I took about 300 pearly whites and got a nice insightful and more subtle trip which I prefer over tripping balls. I take that stuff like once a month or so for some insightful thinking and analysis. I also had about 21 Datura stramonium var. tatula seeds, but the Datura I spaced them out 7 seeds every few hours cuz you don't want to take a large dose at once and then be fucked if you overdo it. in the smaller doses they act very differently than a deliriant. I don't reach the delirium levels when I take them. I also find that I think I have a high tolerance to tropanes. today I did 7 Datura stramonium var. tatula, Then I smoked a bone of a large Angel's trumpet flower of the Brugmansia versicolor species. I felt good after this. Positive vibes. Then a few hours later I took 2 Datura discolor seeds which made me really sleepy. but I drank a bunch of coffee and took some caffeine cuz I had a science class. Was tired throughout class. and many hours later which is now I took 3 Datura ceratocaula seeds. The stramonium seeds I find I can take without much effect at lower doses but if I dose like 7-11 seeds every few hours i feel good and my social anxiety and anxiety in general is almost non existent. The anxiolytic effect from tropanes is strange because it makes you kind of apathetic and because you don't care you have nothing to be anxious about. This was strange but was beneficial to me when I have to be around a lot of people I don't know.

The Datura discolor and the Datura ceratocaula have much higher alkaloid content than datura stramonium or Datura inoxia. These are the ones to be careful with which is why I tread very lightly with her when I take the high grade Datura like discolor and ceratocaula. These are the strongest ones of all. Also When I took the discolor and I went to the gym after class it was weird because although I was sleepy with heavy eyelids I could do tons of pushups like they were nothing. These lower doses have a lot of plus. The stronger doses will come later I wont tread those waters until I have a bunch of free time and sitters. Also when I do I want to have the antidote if things get too crazy. Brunfelsia grandiflora is one avenue. Physostigmine 1mg injection is another. both reverse the anticholinergic syndrome. But are still poisons in their own right! They don't call this the poison path for nothing...


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Datura_Delphi]
    #23273965 - 05/26/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

There really is no dosing it. Species is irrelevant, the potency varies massively between plants and probably even between pods from the same plant. A dozen seeds could have the same effect as a dozen entire seed pods.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Kizzle]
    #23278820 - 05/27/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The drug in the datura plant moves around a lot, so your actual dose received varies even by time of day. This is not a drug to mess with. Keep playing with it and eventually it will kill you.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Kizzle]
    #23280066 - 05/28/16 05:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Species definitely IS relevant. Needless to say the content will vary in climate location and season on each species. As for the time of day I have read about this but honestly I don't see it varying much as it would be with time of season. But with that said the only way to really know what you are working with is by growing your own plants and each time gauging what their potency is in small gradual doses through a harvest of the plant and working with a plant that is no longer alive. As for 12 seeds having the same strength as 12 seedpods, no I wouldn't consider that an accurate statement by any means. Show me where you came up with that one. They do vary but not in that kind of ratio. You're getting a little carried away there.

But in the end, People are going to do what they want regardless of how you warn them. So gradual dosing is a 100X safer than "just guessing". But I wouldn't suggest taking them to get fucked up, that's where the danger lies, and for most people its not enjoyable. You never know what the outcome will be. I find them medicinal in small doses I don't take them as deliriants and if I did I wouldn't straight up ingest the plant material. Of course, I don't have to warn about the dangers here as a million and one hecklers can do that for me. But a certain amount of ignorance surrounds this topic and much of it is just retelling what they have heard.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Datura_Delphi]
    #23340136 - 06/13/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

To put it another way the plant can be virtually inactive. I don't know what affects the potency but it's something more than species, maybe age or environmental factors.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Kizzle]
    #23341042 - 06/13/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Potency varies with a ton of things and there are many solutions... You could make a standardized extract for one, or just powder and blend plant material.

DD's gradual approach seems completely safe to me. Hell even caffeine or water can kill if you overdo it, the key is knowing yourself and working up to large doses.

I will be looking forward to checking out some of your Research Delphi, microdosing datura has long interested me.


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