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Meteloides
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The important thing to remember here is that mushrooms, LSD, 2c-x's, etc. are all psychedelics. Datura is a deliriant.
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The delirium produced is characterized by stupor, utter confusion, confabulation, and regression to "phantom" behaviors such as disrobing and plucking. Other commonly reported behaviors include holding full and lifelike conversations with imagined people, finishing a complex, multi-stage action (such as getting dressed) and then suddenly discovering you had not even begun yet, and being unable to recognize one's own reflection in a mirror. The effects have been likened to sleepwalking, a fugue state or a psychotic episode (particularly in that the subject has minimal control over their actions and little to no recall of the experience). This is a notable departure from typical hallucinogens
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questioneverything said: the stuff if obviously powerful and can lead to trouble without the proper precautions, but i wanna try it more than anything. i feel like it would resemble my "far out man" deliriant trip with amanitas, being unable to tell between reality and wherever it takes you.
i read that thread you posted about your datura use last month, and it's made me FIEND for it. the only thing holding me up is the only person i would trust to be my sitter for this doesn't live anywhere near me. i don't think i know anybody around here that i would trust to ensure that i take care of my life for a couple of days.
but it sounds like the ultimate plant to me.
Its an amazing plant thats for sure. I've found that the most hectic part of the trip when the user may become completlely delerious and can even pass out for hours at a time, happens in the first twenty four hours. (when found in this state by someone who dont know shit about what your on, you wont be able to tell them and they'll jump on the good samaritan wagon and get you into deep shit) If you can get a sitter atleast for the first 24 hours when you may not be resposive thats prob going to save you the trouble of being taken to hospital. But not at a large dose. Large dose = 2-3 day sitter I sugest.
I passed out one night after staring at these insects that I was trying to show too my sitter. I could definitly see them and they were atracted to me. There little antenna moving around, pointing in my direction as i moved about, and they were shooting little threads at me like a spiders web. I noticed they seemed to be nesting in shadows. I could see them hudled up under my curtins. I saw a large hive type of tructure (in the light) on the carpet that seemed to be woven out of this silk they were shooting. (I percieved this as the queen of these insects) I tryed to touch it but my hand would go straight through it like it had no solidity to it but it was definitly there, i could see it. It was in a fixed possistion and would not move at all. I was sitting next to the gas heater and i saw them even pouring out of there as if they were showing me that they could withstand any heat. Just hours earlier when i discovered them i was intrigued at first, but when i noticed that they were even on the surface of my skin and they were entering and exiting my body, i took an earosol can and a lighter and decided to flame thrower them. Now these insects were morphing into other little creatures aswell, larger insects which had legs a body and a head and there were many of them. Now they seemed to be resistant of the flames although some of them did infact die. I began to question wether i was doing myself any good by bringing these little creatures to such severe justice with my makeshift flame thrower. I decided there were too many of them and they've obviously infested my home well and truely, but in no other state could i even see them in the slightest. I seriously believe that these insicts do exist and it takes this plant to become aware of them, but too anybody els present you'll be such a wreck, with dried mouth and the loss of the ability to clearly comunicate, they'll asume you've gone mad if they are not experienced themselves...
Then I intentionally fell asleep on the floor that night. The next morning my sitter tells me i got up walked into the kitchen, took a large pair of scisors, came back intot he lounge room and took to the silky hive with my scissors. She did not know that i was actually asleep the whole time this was happening. There is now a cut about 4inches long on the rug where i had been cutting. I have no recolection of this taking place. Infact It has happened quite alot, where i will go to sleep only to get up and do crazy things in my sleep, like microwave a bottle of tomato sauce.
So the sitter needs to know that when the user goes to sleep, it is actually still very important that they are still watched because thats when they can get up and go awol completly free of thier own will.
I could go on but i'll leave it there. Done be put off by people saying you;ll cut bits of yourself off. You wont experience the loss of nerve for you to cut into yourself anyway.
But you've been well warned by other members not to do this unsupervised. make arangements for a sitter, and happy safe tripping.
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Jdub1 said: The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species.
How do the effects of these anticholinergic substances differ from the effects of the classic substances?
haven't tried datura yet, but if you have any experience with dissociatives or deliriants, i'd bet it's a lot more similar to those than psychedelics.
for example: the difference between allergy relieving benadryl and psychomimetic benadryl is only in the dose. i took 30 benadryl once and couldn't possibly realize for the life of me that my mother was asleep in her bed and not standing in my doorway having a conversation with me. this to me is different from psychedelics (which i assume you mean by "classic substances") because instead of lucidly enjoying "hyperspatial" visuals transposed onto the 3d world i could discern as communal reality, i was convinced that an apparition of my mother and other figures throughout the course of the trip were actually communal reality. the conversations would be extremely involved by both parties and the only thing that would remind me that i was under the influence of a drug and not actually in those situations was the fact that sometimes i would close my eyes, open them back up, and see that that conversation had never really happened. i was still lying in my bed alone during the early hours of the morning with a note lying on my bedstand that i had written detailing what i had taken and how i might be acting.
it's a different experience and i think having a sitter is key. you can't know what it's like to forget who, what, when, why, where you are until it's actually happened to you. but i'm not assuming you don't know what it's like. my point is to try to answer your question of how it might differ from the "classic substances."
is this what you were talking about?
The psychological effects of datura and diphenhydramine are almost identical. The physical effects of datura though are far more uncomfortable and it's impossible to dose. I would suggest you not take datura and not because of the risks, but because you can have and you have had the exact same experience only without the overwhelming discomfort.
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Meteloides]
#15831872 - 02/19/12 11:55 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Warping or waving of surfaces and edges Textured surfaces "Dancing" lines; "spiders", insects; form constants Lifelike objects indistinguishable from reality Hallucinated presence of people not actually there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticholinergic
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: s240779]
#15836903 - 02/20/12 10:01 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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wow, i remember this old ass post.
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
#15837202 - 02/20/12 11:45 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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if you ever are temoted to do datura
DO IT!!!
it's hella fun
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questioneverything
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: leafing]
#15837252 - 02/20/12 11:56 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm going to one day. It's high on my hitlist. I wanna grow it myself though, talk to those blooming flowers like dey my girlfriends and shit so maybe she doesn't take me for a miserable ride.
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Meteloides
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
#15837449 - 02/20/12 12:40 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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wow, i remember this old ass post.
Just looked at the date of the first post and, Jesus, yeah.
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Datura_Delphi
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: blacklight68] 1
#23204619 - 05/09/16 01:56 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey everyone. Hi my name is Adam I am new on shroomery. I have read numerous posts here but I have recently joined. My goal is to add to knowledge and meet other like-minds. I am a musician, artist, researcher, and gardener. My passion is the Nightshade Family, the Solanaceae. I have spent countless hours studying, growing, and learning Her ways. It was rather unusual but She began coming through to me in dreams while I was in prison. I then took up studying Her as much as I could before I got out. I grow many of Her species. All types of Datura, Brugmansia, Henbane, Belladonna, etc. There is no plant I find more interesting than Hers. I have a website I run about it: Poison Path I am not posting this so much to advertise because my site doesn't sell anything but is devoted to those who, like myself, have failed to find an all-inclusive, definitive site for the Nightshade Family. She certainly deserves one. This site is always being expanded upon and I am in the process of numerous new posts- CIA Mind-Control/Army Chemical Warfare drug, Manson Family Recipe, Zombie Parties & Phantom Cigarettes, Belladonna/Henbane: Bee Shamanism & Psychoactive Honey just to name a few. This website will be the foundation culminating in a book covering said material. I cover a far reaching spectrum so I hope you guys appreciate this as much as I do. Also, please keep in mind I am human not a machine so don't be too harsh if I make any mistakes...
my latest post: Lucid Nightmare: Tropane Alkaloids and Acetylcholine
This should give you a good understanding of what is taking place in the brain when ingested
I understand the risks involved with interacting with Her so please refrain from telling me how deadly and dangerous they are. I get it. I appreciate the concern. There is always a risk associated with her study. I won't debate that. But when you're just guessing at dosage or you don't know how your body reacts to tropane alkaloids then yes you will be almost guaranteed to have a really bad experience and possibly die, suffer brain damage, catch a case or trip to the ER and Sanitarium. She's a deadly poison yes but poison is only a poison by its dosage and that also she has a large array of medicinal usage in small doses -important to remember that! But going further down her path is at at your own risk to be correct and fair! You're all big boys here no need to talk to you like a D.A.R.E. Officer or parent to tell you how dangerous drugs are. Most of you probably know from first hand experience. But be Goddamn careful in this realm. She's a powerful Beast! You really have to approach her slowly and with respect in that sense. Patience is a virtue...
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Datura_Delphi]
#23205856 - 05/09/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're pretty brave to experiment with Datura. Dosing would be super tricky, as i would imagine for this plant.
But shamans used to use it, without dieing. Its possible to use it as a visionary plant.
Be safe and tread lightly. And posts your trip reports, if u can remember them
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Datura_Delphi
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23208350 - 05/10/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks... haha I take it very slow and gradual that is the ONLY way to go with tropanes in my opinion. this is what I mean by gradual: this is a post from earlier in another thread:
I enjoy psychedelics. I'm mostly into LSA. Yesterday I took about 300 pearly whites and got a nice insightful and more subtle trip which I prefer over tripping balls. I take that stuff like once a month or so for some insightful thinking and analysis. I also had about 21 Datura stramonium var. tatula seeds, but the Datura I spaced them out 7 seeds every few hours cuz you don't want to take a large dose at once and then be fucked if you overdo it. in the smaller doses they act very differently than a deliriant. I don't reach the delirium levels when I take them. I also find that I think I have a high tolerance to tropanes. today I did 7 Datura stramonium var. tatula, Then I smoked a bone of a large Angel's trumpet flower of the Brugmansia versicolor species. I felt good after this. Positive vibes. Then a few hours later I took 2 Datura discolor seeds which made me really sleepy. but I drank a bunch of coffee and took some caffeine cuz I had a science class. Was tired throughout class. and many hours later which is now I took 3 Datura ceratocaula seeds. The stramonium seeds I find I can take without much effect at lower doses but if I dose like 7-11 seeds every few hours i feel good and my social anxiety and anxiety in general is almost non existent. The anxiolytic effect from tropanes is strange because it makes you kind of apathetic and because you don't care you have nothing to be anxious about. This was strange but was beneficial to me when I have to be around a lot of people I don't know.
The Datura discolor and the Datura ceratocaula have much higher alkaloid content than datura stramonium or Datura inoxia. These are the ones to be careful with which is why I tread very lightly with her when I take the high grade Datura like discolor and ceratocaula. These are the strongest ones of all. Also When I took the discolor and I went to the gym after class it was weird because although I was sleepy with heavy eyelids I could do tons of pushups like they were nothing. These lower doses have a lot of plus. The stronger doses will come later I wont tread those waters until I have a bunch of free time and sitters. Also when I do I want to have the antidote if things get too crazy. Brunfelsia grandiflora is one avenue. Physostigmine 1mg injection is another. both reverse the anticholinergic syndrome. But are still poisons in their own right! They don't call this the poison path for nothing...
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Datura_Delphi]
#23273965 - 05/26/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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There really is no dosing it. Species is irrelevant, the potency varies massively between plants and probably even between pods from the same plant. A dozen seeds could have the same effect as a dozen entire seed pods.
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Kizzle]
#23278820 - 05/27/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The drug in the datura plant moves around a lot, so your actual dose received varies even by time of day. This is not a drug to mess with. Keep playing with it and eventually it will kill you.
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Kizzle]
#23280066 - 05/28/16 05:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Species definitely IS relevant. Needless to say the content will vary in climate location and season on each species. As for the time of day I have read about this but honestly I don't see it varying much as it would be with time of season. But with that said the only way to really know what you are working with is by growing your own plants and each time gauging what their potency is in small gradual doses through a harvest of the plant and working with a plant that is no longer alive. As for 12 seeds having the same strength as 12 seedpods, no I wouldn't consider that an accurate statement by any means. Show me where you came up with that one. They do vary but not in that kind of ratio. You're getting a little carried away there.
But in the end, People are going to do what they want regardless of how you warn them. So gradual dosing is a 100X safer than "just guessing". But I wouldn't suggest taking them to get fucked up, that's where the danger lies, and for most people its not enjoyable. You never know what the outcome will be. I find them medicinal in small doses I don't take them as deliriants and if I did I wouldn't straight up ingest the plant material. Of course, I don't have to warn about the dangers here as a million and one hecklers can do that for me. But a certain amount of ignorance surrounds this topic and much of it is just retelling what they have heard.
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Edited by Datura_Delphi (05/28/16 05:33 AM)
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Kizzle
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Datura_Delphi]
#23340136 - 06/13/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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To put it another way the plant can be virtually inactive. I don't know what affects the potency but it's something more than species, maybe age or environmental factors.
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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Kizzle]
#23341042 - 06/13/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Potency varies with a ton of things and there are many solutions... You could make a standardized extract for one, or just powder and blend plant material.
DD's gradual approach seems completely safe to me. Hell even caffeine or water can kill if you overdo it, the key is knowing yourself and working up to large doses.
I will be looking forward to checking out some of your Research Delphi, microdosing datura has long interested me.
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