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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
    #5501575 - 04/10/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I know someone who did Datura with a friend, doesn't remember any of it other than waking up in jail, his friend's ribs COMPLETELY fucked up, cops had no records of their arrest, nobody can account for why his friend's ribs were fucked, nobody has any idea what happened between onset and end


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: StickyWater]
    #5501606 - 04/10/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Or they are just too embarrassed of what really happened, like some chick kicked their ass and they figured they would just say, "I don't remember"


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
    #5501736 - 04/10/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Or they are just too embarrassed of what really happened, like some chick kicked their ass and they figured they would just say, "I don't remember"




I doubt that, datura is a total mindfuck and i only remember like 5 or 10% of my 6 hour peak of this drug. When i was aware the next morning i was still tripping, but i discovered that over the night i had completely lost my keys, various items in our house were missing, and i called my girlfriend really early in the morning saying fucked up shit without even remembering it.

The entire next day i would wake up and think that i had my keys in my hand, walk out to my car glancing down at my keys, and suddenly they disappeared from my hands when i got near my car.

This experience is really too wild to describe in full detail. When i was on datura it was in chocolate bars that i actually thought had mushrooms in them. But i was so past the point of being fucked up that i didn't even remember i took a damn thing and every completely off the wall thing i was doing seemed completely normal.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: drSE]
    #5501744 - 04/10/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Datura can a has taken life. It is a shamons drug and needs to be respected like a sacriment
like you said P.S i liked it quite allot I've noticed if your close your eyes you can bring up very vivid dreams.. but your not fully awake so you still have control.
at the same time you are not in control and more often then not people cant tell the difference. please tell you freinds it is not for "fun" it can kill you. (I am not saying it kills all so to all you "I do it all the time and I am fine kids") I am saying it can and does. be careful

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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: mrjim202000]
    #5502339 - 04/11/06 03:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I remember reading that in hunter S thompsons later life, he was big into tropanes. He considered his favorite hallucinogen to be mushrooms, but he used jimson weed tea far more often. Considering the type of person he was, its no wonder he liked the stuff so much.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: stemmer]
    #5504344 - 04/11/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I _strongly_ advise against using it for these reasons:

my friend chris last year, who used to smoke and shroom with a group of us made a tea with a decent dose in it, he tripped hard for almost 2 days and a lot of the time he couldnt handle it, started crying, arguing violently with the furniture, and I'd say he had way too much of a bad time than most people could ever go through.

What sucks most of all is the fact that he was so horrified by the experience that he will never touch anything, even some weed, again.

It really depends on the person and the dose like anything else, but I just think its one of those things that isnt worth the risk. Psilocybin, LSA, LSD, salvia are plenty strong enough and enjoyable, why take something that can kill you?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Syriss162]
    #5504636 - 04/11/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My experience with datura was accidental.
Me and my best trip buddy enjoy mixing datura with bud and smoking the mixture, but I smoked a little too much that time. I only had one real hallucination, and it was very frightening.
We had parked in a pool parking lot and walked across the street to smoke in the woods. There were 2 cars in hte lot, the manager's truck and my friend's jeep.
When we got back from smoking, I turned to my friend and said, "who's car is that?" as I had clearly seen 3 cars in the lot at that point.
He said, "dude, that's my jeep..." and I replied, "No not that one, the one next to it!"
After several minutes of abbot & costello-like arguing, The third car vanished in front of me and I was left staring at the 2 cars that were really there. I would describe the vanishing like what happens when you cross your eyes, then uncross them. The third car simply shifted from my vision.

TheMadConductor, whoever tried to sell you Datura should be beaten. It is common and has no street value. Basically, someone tried to poison you and jack your money at the same time.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5504696 - 04/11/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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TheMadConductor, whoever tried to sell you Datura should be beaten. It is common and has no street value. Basically, someone tried to poison you and jack your money at the same time.




They sell it for about $16/ounce at the health food store just down the road...


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: StickyWater]
    #15826626 - 02/18/12 03:52 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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I know someone who did Datura with a friend, doesn't remember any of it other than waking up in jail, his friend's ribs COMPLETELY fucked up, cops had no records of their arrest, nobody can account for why his friend's ribs were fucked, nobody has any idea what happened between onset and end


ff 5 years

prob corrupt coppers didnt want to get in shit for bashing some off chopps unlucky punters

Your not wrong mr...

I've used this plant for a couple of years now. I've had multiple simmilar experiences when carelessly taking it without letting anybody know and going out on little jurneys. (A mistake admitably but im an entrepreneur at this so it's to be expected, also connecting mysef with online social networks discusing datura use such as this wern't part of my preperation) I remediated this to the fullest extent, practicing in a much safer fashion with sober sitters present and being one myself on a take turn roster type of deal with some pals also interested in datura.

There are periods on datura where the users memory evidently fails them that the sitter can recall them fairly well, consciously decision making.

I myself on one of my unguided trips, consciously enough so, trecked for about 5 killometers at an attempt to get home in the dark, and was chaperoned by a stranger into thier house where I lay unconcious untill i awoke to a fammiliar voice... It was the last time I saw the person who woke me up, and he wasn't very insightfull a day later on the phone. He says the person who found me took me home and then called him to help. My memory fails me most of the way on this trip but my next concious moment was the next morning when some cheeky school kid did something that i percieved in a metaphystical kinda insidious way. I didnt know what he's done but i just knew it was deceitful...

I like this plant alot and find it even quite relaxing. When I enter into it's awesome powerful psychadelic realm I do so knowing a fair amount about whats going to take place. I know how im going to feel for the most of it, although alot of those effects people complain about being too uncomfortable but im quite comfortable in that almost zombie like state. I just keep plenty of water and food, music is good. A sober guide for an outing in a non built up place is very good. I've even noticed having quite alot of energy at the end of it all at about the end of day three. I just feel really good pumping weights after a good trip of any sort realy.

Towards the end of a very long trip I had amazing visions and a feeling as though i was falling through a vortex. The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species. Humans are the only species among them i can identify. It was not bad at all by my standards and well worth it.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Jdub1]
    #15827130 - 02/18/12 09:46 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species.




How do the effects of these anticholinergic substances differ from the effects of the classic substances?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Jdub1]
    #15827237 - 02/18/12 10:35 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

the stuff if obviously powerful and can lead to trouble without the proper precautions, but i wanna try it more than anything. i feel like it would resemble my "far out man" deliriant trip with amanitas, being unable to tell between reality and wherever it takes you.

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StickyWater said:
I know someone who did Datura with a friend, doesn't remember any of it other than waking up in jail, his friend's ribs COMPLETELY fucked up, cops had no records of their arrest, nobody can account for why his friend's ribs were fucked, nobody has any idea what happened between onset and end


ff 5 years

prob corrupt coppers didnt want to get in shit for bashing some off chopps unlucky punters

Your not wrong mr...

I've used this plant for a couple of years now. I've had multiple simmilar experiences when carelessly taking it without letting anybody know and going out on little jurneys. (A mistake admitably but im an entrepreneur at this so it's to be expected, also connecting mysef with online social networks discusing datura use such as this wern't part of my preperation) I remediated this to the fullest extent, practicing in a much safer fashion with sober sitters present and being one myself on a take turn roster type of deal with some pals also interested in datura.

There are periods on datura where the users memory evidently fails them that the sitter can recall them fairly well, consciously decision making.

I myself on one of my unguided trips, consciously enough so, trecked for about 5 killometers at an attempt to get home in the dark, and was chaperoned by a stranger into thier house where I lay unconcious untill i awoke to a fammiliar voice... It was the last time I saw the person who woke me up, and he wasn't very insightfull a day later on the phone. He says the person who found me took me home and then called him to help. My memory fails me most of the way on this trip but my next concious moment was the next morning when some cheeky school kid did something that i percieved in a metaphystical kinda insidious way. I didnt know what he's done but i just knew it was deceitful...

I like this plant alot and find it even quite relaxing. When I enter into it's awesome powerful psychadelic realm I do so knowing a fair amount about whats going to take place. I know how im going to feel for the most of it, although alot of those effects people complain about being too uncomfortable but im quite comfortable in that almost zombie like state. I just keep plenty of water and food, music is good. A sober guide for an outing in a non built up place is very good. I've even noticed having quite alot of energy at the end of it all at about the end of day three. I just feel really good pumping weights after a good trip of any sort realy.

Towards the end of a very long trip I had amazing visions and a feeling as though i was falling through a vortex. The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species. Humans are the only species among them i can identify. It was not bad at all by my standards and well worth it.





i read that thread you posted about your datura use last month, and it's made me FIEND for it. the only thing holding me up is the only person i would trust to be my sitter for this doesn't live anywhere near me. i don't think i know anybody around here that i would trust to ensure that i take care of my life for a couple of days.

but it sounds like the ultimate plant to me.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: questioneverything]
    #15827394 - 02/18/12 11:23 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

After I read a story how kid cut his dick and tongue off I'm done with beeing interested in trying datura.

Grandpa tol me how farmers of their personal reasons used to trow datura leaves to other farmers cow flocks...All cows died the same day.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: Orkidea]
    #15827524 - 02/18/12 11:56 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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After I read a story how kid cut his dick and tongue off I'm done with beeing interested in trying datura.

Grandpa tol me how farmers of their personal reasons used to trow datura leaves to other farmers cow flocks...All cows died the same day.



 

I realize you're only putting that out there for your personal reason not to try datura, but I see that you say that and I'm still not afraid to try that. The thing I hate is that now you've put that thought in my head whereas before you said it, it never would've been there, so even though I will squash that fear eventually, immediately after reading I get the thought:  "oh shit. What if when I'm not myself I accidentally cut my dick and tongue off?"

My point is that I think that approach is more harmful than helpful. Why not just state the obvious and say something like "this stuff is so powerful it can make you forget who you are" instead of throwing those unhelpful morbid tidbits of info out there? I mean, I abhor violence. I have no mind that dwells on things like that, but because I'm a product of my environment I now have that image in my head that, without your intrusion, wouldn't've been there. I don't mean to harp on you bra. But maybe you can see from my perspective and maybe decide that it was in fact as harmful as you meant for it to be helpful.

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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: questioneverything]
    #15827561 - 02/18/12 12:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

technically you've committed no wrong, because i trust that what you said is truth. it's just that if people on datura do some fucked up stuff, well man i feel really bad for them, but knowing the details of how fucked up what they've done isn't absolutely necessary. it's truth and therefore has its relevance, but i don't need other people's fucked up examples to influence my experience. i'd like to be as safe as possible, have a sitter that's as safe and prepared and possible, and strive to have no kind of macabre thoughts going into it. unfortunately the world isn't perfect. i'm sorry if i offended you. i just hate hearing about stuff like that.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: questioneverything]
    #15827577 - 02/18/12 12:16 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Well, if you want to be an informed taker you should hear about both sides of the spectrum. But it's not much fun to hear about bad experiences when you want to try it.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: s240779]
    #15827612 - 02/18/12 12:25 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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The night sky was a smear of stars and colours. The stars were all moving about and i was having visions of an outer space war that was going on between diferent species.




How do the effects of these anticholinergic substances differ from the effects of the classic substances?






haven't tried datura yet, but if you have any experience with dissociatives or deliriants, i'd bet it's a lot more similar to those than psychedelics.

for example:  the difference between allergy relieving benadryl and psychomimetic benadryl is only in the dose. i took 30 benadryl once and couldn't possibly realize for the life of me that my mother was asleep in her bed and not standing in my doorway having a conversation with me. this to me is different from psychedelics (which i assume you mean by "classic substances") because instead of lucidly enjoying "hyperspatial" visuals transposed onto the 3d world i could discern as communal reality, i was convinced that an apparition of my mother and other figures throughout the course of the trip were actually communal reality. the conversations would be extremely involved by both parties and the only thing that would remind me that i was under the influence of a drug and not actually in those situations was the fact that sometimes i would close my eyes, open them back up, and see that that conversation had never really happened. i was still lying in my bed alone during the early hours of the morning with a note lying on my bedstand that i had written detailing what i had taken and how i might be acting.

it's a different experience and i think having a sitter is key. you can't know what it's like to forget who, what, when, why, where you are until it's actually happened to you. but i'm not assuming you don't know what it's like. my point is to try to answer your question of how it might differ from the "classic substances."

is this what you were talking about?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: King Klick]
    #15827630 - 02/18/12 12:32 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, if you want to be an informed taker you should hear about both sides of the spectrum. But it's not much fun to hear about bad experiences when you want to try it.





exactly right and i agree. i tried to clear that up with my second response. the only thing is that i know the extent that it can reach. i know that taking a deliriant is pretty much agreeing to induce psychosis upon yourself; therefore you're not to be trusted. you need a sitter.

i was just trying to say that i've heard some of the horror stories. yeah they're relevant because they are truth. but as an analogy i know that the holocaust is truth and deserves its attention, but i don't want those images to be thrust upon me without my consent and preparation. however they are an important part of history and sometimes i deem it necessary to let those images find their way into my head by way of an informative video or something along those line. there's a time and place for it. i think the time and place for stuff like that the brutal shit that some poor soul brought upon himself in psychosis has its time and place, preferably when i'm researching datura effects. it's not like it's the first time i've heard this stuff. i'm just saying i find no delight in hearing it.

but all things considered, he technically committed no error, like i said. i'm just overreacting because i don't like to have those things on my mind.


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: StickyWater]
    #15827704 - 02/18/12 12:57 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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TheMadConductor, whoever tried to sell you Datura should be beaten. It is common and has no street value. Basically, someone tried to poison you and jack your money at the same time.




They sell it for about $16/ounce at the health food store just down the road...





i feel like an ass for commenting so much on this thread, and the bulk of those comments being that weird rant, but this is crazy to me. i've never checked on trying to actually get some of it. i was expecting to have to order from out of the country or something. is it really this accessible?


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: questioneverything]
    #15827714 - 02/18/12 01:00 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You can find it on the side of the road. :lol:


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Re: jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L [Re: King Klick]
    #15827757 - 02/18/12 01:07 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

well, well, well....my wildest dreams can come true for free?

i've always wanted to cut my dick and tongue off. i didn't know i didn't have to pay to do it.


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