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most likely. Doesnt anyone else feel like the government/media is prepping us towards acceptance through a dramatized looming threat?
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Yes. No ground troops immediately. Definite air campaign, hopefully launched by Israel.
Would be nice if Iran decided to send their troops across to Iraq. We could meet them in the middle and commence the slaughtering from above.
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Re: iran [Re: daimyo]
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Welcome to America, where we make our problems the worlds problems!
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Hopefully we bomb them back to the stone age... oh wait they are already there.
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i know a lot of people are going to be pissed off at what im about to say so chill: here it goes
bush isnt that bad. i totally agree with what hes doing so far. because so far im alive right now and enjoying life.
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l33tflip1 said:bush isnt that bad. i totally agree with what hes doing so far.
your gonna get banned.
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its true, "life sucks" and it really does. i know its unfair to the people dying there but its for us and to defend the US(i know its selfish).
but imo i really think we should get in iran to prevent them from making those missiles, because you know damn well that they will use them against the US.
edit: i live in NY and i always get the feeling that if their going to attack america, its gonna be NY again.
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Iran attacked NY? When was this?
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Re: iran [Re: Vvellum]
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I have not been, personally, attacked by a terrorist or a terrorist organization and my opinion of who is responsible for the actions of 9/11 isn't the popular theory, therefore, I don't beleive there is a threat if Iran already has or will have nuclear weapons. It doesn't affect me personally. Until the city I live in is attacked by a nuclear bomb, I don't care what happens. Then again, I won't care if the city I live in is nuked, I'll be dead.
I think that Iraq should be cleaned up and fixed before we are to do anything with Iran. And if you read all the articles about Iran, they are far more advanced military/weapon-wise than Iraq was. It won't be an occupation. Imagine troops in Iraq and Iran...imagine the overall mood of this country....hahaha. Demonstrations and activism like you wouldn't believe. Which is why I think we WILL attack Iran. It's what would make the most sense, giving the statement "it will get a whole lot worse before it gets any better."
Plus, Bush doesn't give a shit about anything anymore, he's done in 2 years.
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i agree w/ you mkeena, hes doing too many things he cant handle. which can lead to more disaster
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Dramatized like the time when we got those WMD's. That was serious huh? glad that threat is over and has been neutralized! whew! what a relief!
Listen, Im not saying there isnt a threat, but before you start putting bumper stickers on your car, try to get some unamerican, unbiased news regarding the situation and dont take whatever the government "accidentally leaks out" as fact or anything near the entire story.
yes, we are all alive, but come on.... because of attacking Iraq? I would be living right now if they actually had WMD's.
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Everyone should read Juan Cole's blog. www.juancole.com
Excellent information!
And psilocyberin, I agree. I'm not scared of Iran having any nuclear weapons.
I can't believe this is even an option. I mean, come on, is the American public really going to allow starting another act of agression on another muslim country, based on scare tactics of WMD's?? Is it really going to happen again? The sad thing is, yes, it is. That's unfathomable to me, really.
People think that government is an entity all by itself, that it is not run by human individuals. The secret service could not stop a million people converging on the whitehouse lawn. Martial Law will happen and it will happen sooner rather than later. Interesting times indeed. I'm glad to be alive for the upcoming show of increased insanity.
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i dont know about that, they(iraqis) hate america more than anything in the world. if saddam was in power and had the wmd, imo we wouldnt be posting right now. as a matter of fact this world wont exist because everyone would launch their arsenal.
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"Erroneous!" j/k....
but seriously, the majority of Americans dont even have a clue that we placed Sadaam in power, nor do they realize that all terrorist action was taken as a result of American involvement 12 years prior to the invasion.
It is ridiculous to claim safety due to non-existent weapons possibly having caused WW3.
See, GWB/our government has geared every single situation to being a lose-lose situation, and by advertising slants on the situation, forced americans to go along with the best of the two possible shitty outcomes.
This is exactly what is being engineered right now. They are positioning themselves into a corner so that there is no other choice but to go to war.
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And psilocyberin, I agree. I'm not scared of Iran having any nuclear weapons.
Not only am I glad that you are not (and hopefully never will be) in charge of anything more lethal than a cash register I'm also thankful that you will blissfully spend your days in a drug addled haze and not interfere with the adults who so vigorously and selflessly protect you from the truly vile scum who would wish to strip you of all freedoms and force you to bow to mukka five times a day. Just get high. We'll make sure you can.
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psilocyberin said: but seriously, the majority of Americans dont even have a clue that we placed Sadaam in power, nor do they realize that all terrorist action was taken as a result of American involvement 12 years prior to the invasion.
i agree w/ u on that, we basically funded al-qaeda and bin laden, but that bitch doesnt have the right to order his people to crash planes into the towers.
and yes 9/11 is the reason why were at war. its a dominoe effect. and it will keep on going. iran is the next piece.
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is it really truly selfless when you remind people with unabashed rhetoric that you "selflessly have protected their lives and freedom"? See, this is what I am talking about, it is a lose-lose situation which they have cornered us into. There is no proof that we have been protected... in fact, I feel less safe to travel the world as an American, because of the actions of the Bush administration. before Bush was in office, I would have loved to visit egypt, maybe even see Nebuchadnezzars tomb as well. Now, I cannot, because we have created and generated hate towards us, exactly what Bush wanted, because now people like you say "See! they hate us!".
It is like beating a dog and wondering why it flinches or attacks you when you come around and say "see! that dog hates me for no reason!".
Before the war, I felt safe, now I dont, I dont get where some of you guys are claiming that we are safer now, there is no proof for it whatsoever.
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but seriously, the majority of Americans dont even have a clue that we placed Sadaam in power, nor do they realize that all terrorist action was taken as a result of American involvement 12 years prior to the invasion.
"Erroneous!" I AM NOT KIDDING
what a fucking joke
I wish we could go back to the times of zahid and his social experiement. Boy, i never thought i would say that.
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being alive right now is a proof(to me at least). you have to think about the different possibilities that could've happened if someone didn't do this or that, didn't take action etc.
its almost impossible to be "unhated" especially living in a powerful country. there's always going to be jealousy and people are just plain fucked up in their minds and would do anything to get noticed and to simply harm people. our country has to do something, we cant just leave it the way it is. Korea for example. we cant just let them do whatever they please. it may not be logical but thats how it is. if you feel threatened you do something about it.
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You may have felt safer before but that was from an ignorant notion of the dangers of the world. 3,000 people felt safe when they went to work and boarded planes. But their feelings were..... what? Shit is what they were. Now they are dead. You don't now "feel" safe to visit Egypt? Let me give you a bulletin. You never were safe there. Ever. Ask Sadat, the only reformer they ever had. How "safe" was he? You can have your feelings. It is a happy indulgence the adults in the world will do their best to let you continue to have.
And hey, what's up with the New M.Barney movie? Restraint 3.0 or something like that. No shit, the weird fuck lives with Bjork and their kid right across the river. Not far from the whackjobs #2 nuclear target, Israel being #1.
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so, its ok that the world has an insane egomaniac run government with WMD's that instills fear in the rest of the world, just as long as it is us?
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i guess thats were trust comes in. do you think our Government would use those wmd? i mean weve had them for a while now. when i think about it. the reason why they hate us is their jealous. why not? i would be if i was in a 3rd world country. but letting a 3rd world country who is very hostile towards us with a wmd, would be pretty stupid. its like giving a loaded shotgun to a retard that hates you.
(no offense to mentally disabled people, it was just an example)
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trust the government...... wow, that is good, we all got a nice chuckle out of that one......thanks.
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hey why not as long as they dont fuck me over im cool w/ them
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The only thing i am scared of is our government.
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but seriously, the majority of Americans dont even have a clue that we placed Sadaam in power...
That would be because "we" didn't place him in power. He clawed his way to the top of the Ba'athist dungheap all on his own.
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That would be because that statement is complete bullshit and most Americans have the intelligence to realize it.
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Ah, so we had no interaction with the funding and political interference with Afghanistan 12 years prior to the televized fiasco? nothing like that happened? the actions of the US werent a direct cause for certain political parties coming to power?
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I'd much rather open up trade with Iran than bomb them.
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The only thing i am scared of is our government.
Please refrain from attributing your own statements to me. This is not OTD. I would like the above fabricated quote deleted.
I don't care what you're afraid of. This government allows you the luxury of being afraid only of it. Without it you would have to be very afraid of a whole shit load of things you take for granted. Believe me when I tell you that I seriously doubt many people here would last more than a few minutes without police. "All your stash is mine, bwahahahahaha."
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Ah, so we had no interaction with the funding and political interference with Afghanistan 12 years prior to the televized fiasco?
Twelve years ago was 1994. Clinton was just over a year into his first term. Please remind us what "interference with Afghanistan" Clinton was involved in. Be specific, please.
Please be specific also about which political parties came to power -- and where -- as a direct cause of US actions taken twelve years ago.
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i said 12 years prior to the televized fiasco, which would be 2001 I believe, which would make 12 years prior to that 1989, which would put who in the presidents chair? hmmmm
But, I was only talking about how we completely used the entire country as a welcome mat for war, destroyed it, and then kind of just walked away with a shrug hoping that it would all just be forgotten about.
But, if you really want me to delve deeper into this, lets do this.
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wiki says: Opposition against, and conflict within, the series of communist governments that followed, was considerable. As part of a Cold War strategy, the US government began to covertly fund and train anti-government Mujahideen forces through the Pakistani secret service agency known as Inter Services Intelligence or ISI, which were derived from discontented Muslims in the country who opposed the official atheism of the Marxist regime, in 1978. In order to bolster the local Communist forces the Soviet Union - citing the 1978 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Good Neighborliness that had been signed between the two countries in 1978 - intervened on December 24, 1979. The Soviet occupation resulted in a mass exodus of over 5 million Afghans who moved into refugee camps in neighboring Pakistan and Iran. More than 3 million alone settled in Pakistan. Faced with mounting international pressure and the loss of approximately 15,000 Soviet soldiers as a result of Mujahideen opposition forces trained by the United States, Pakistan, and other foreign governments, the Soviets withdrew ten years later, in 1989. For more details, see Soviet war in Afghanistan.
The Soviet withdrawal was seen as an ideological victory in the US, which ostensibly had backed the Mujahideen in order to counter Soviet influence in the vicinity of the oil-rich Persian Gulf. Following the removal of the Soviet forces in 1989, the US and its allies lost interest in Afghanistan and did little to help rebuild the war-ravaged country. The USSR continued to support the regime of Dr. Najubullah (formerly the head of the secret service, Khad) until its downfall in 1992. However, the absence of the Soviet forces resulted in the downfall of the government as it steadily lost ground to the guerrilla forces.[1]
As the vast majority of the elites and intellectuals had either been systematically eliminated by the Communists, or escaped to take refuge abroad, a dangerous leadership vacuum came into existence. Fighting continued among the various Mujahidin factions, eventually giving rise to a state of warlordism. The chaos and corruption that dominated post-Soviet Afghanistan in turn spawned the rise of the Taliban in response to the growing chaos. The most serious fighting during this growing civil conflict occurred in 1994, when 10,000 people were killed during factional fighting in Kabul.
So, your were right Phred! we didnt have any hand in the current state of affairs in Afghanistan, or with any of the surrounding regions. What do those crazy rag heads have to bitch about? they only had their country raped and used by the US as a launch point for their Cold War, and it was only Pres Bush that withdrew all support and broke all promises. Why be bitter? we all know you wouldnt if that was your country, right?
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i said 12 years prior to the televized fiasco, which would be 2001 I believe...
So by "televised fiasco" you were referring to the September 11 attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center? My bad for not understanding that by "fiasco" you meant "successful terrorist attack".
As for the "interference" in Afghanistan's affairs, let's see. The Soviet Union invades Afghanistan in late 1979, on Jimmy Carter's watch. America (and at least a dozen other countries) decides they will assist (financially and with arms) the Afghanis fighting the invaders. Nine years later the Sovs are pushed out of Afghanistan. Some of the ones involved in fighting the Sovs form a new fundamentalist politico/religious sect -- the Taliban -- and eventually seize power in Afghanistan. In a show of gratitude for America's assistance in ousting the godless commies, they then provide a safe haven for Al Qaeda to launch multiple attacks against US interests and eventually the US itself. When asked politely several times to hand over Al Qaeda, the Taliban responds by making bloodcurdling threats. So the United Nations invades Afghanistan, deposes the Taliban, and allows the Afghanis to elect their own government as a replacement.
Moral of the story -- helping muslims defend themselves from being slaughtered is a VERY stupid idea.
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Its more like, there was this guy who wanted to see his ass get kicked, and he was fucking with this other small guy, and you bolster his confidence, tell him you will back him no matter what, that he should rise up and beat the shit out of this guy, and when he does, you sit back and watch the little guy get his ass demolished and then you walk away slowly whistling.
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Except the little guy won.
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ah, so after our withdrawl, thousands upon thousands of afghani's weren't slaughtered, or became bitter refugee's in iran and iraq?
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Woohoo! my country is rubble! we got used by multiple countries to fight their war! our government has been dispersed and now exists as a warord state! WE FUCKING WON!
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Its more like, there was this guy who wanted to see his ass get kicked, and he was fucking with this other small guy, and you bolster his confidence, tell him you will back him no matter what, that he should rise up and beat the shit out of this guy, and when he does, you sit back and watch the little guy get his ass demolished and then you walk away slowly whistling.
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ah, so after our withdrawl, thousands upon thousands of afghani's weren't slaughtered, or became bitter refugee's in iran and iraq?
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Woohoo! my country is rubble! we got used by multiple countries to fight their war! our government has been dispersed and now exists as a warord state! WE FUCKING WON!
Three of the most historicly ignorant quotes ever. And in a row! The first is just incoherent nonsense The second, inasmuch as there is a question there, the reply is "no, that hasn't happened and no we haven't withdrawn."
The third seems to presuppose that Afghanistan was a functioning country with modern appointments before it was invaded by the USSR. It also seems to presuppose that it was entirely our idea that they resist the Soviet invasion. Both suppositions are ignorant and absurd.
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Regardless of what happened afterwards, it doesn't match your little metaphoric scenario. The Afghanis forced the Soviets out. They won that fight.
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yeah, forced.... lol. Anyone who has read anything on the subject would know that the soviets left partially due to a failing economy (financial) and because it was considered a very unpopular occupation (political). it wasnt like the Afghani's beat them through force and decimated their armies.
i guess Sadaam won the first Gulf War since we left as well.... right?
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The Soviet retreat from Afghanistan was a mirror image of the American retreat from Vietnam. They beat them the exact same way. Relentlessness
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and lack of support at the homeland
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If I beat my head against a wall until it is a bloody pulp and the wall finally falls over, i win?
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If your goal was to make the wall fall over, yes you won. You paid a high price but achieved your goal.
I dont see how thats relevant to Afghanistan, Vietnam or Iran though...
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ts more like, there was this guy who wanted to see his ass get kicked, and he was... yadda yadda yadda
Didn't like the moral of the story? Here's another --
No good deed goes unpunished.
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ah, so after our withdrawl, thousands upon thousands of afghani's weren't slaughtered, or became bitter refugee's in iran and iraq?
What the hell are you talking about? What "withdrawal"?
Try to focus, dude. Godless Soviets invade muslim country. Other countries (America among them) provide the muslims of that country the means by which to fight them. Muslims prevail. Godless Soviets withdraw.
The only way you can speak of "our withdrawal" is if you are a Soviet. Are you a Soviet? Cuz I'm not. Never was.
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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
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ah, so now we are the righteous saviours of the world doling out morality and justice. I get it now.
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Sigh. No, you don't get it.
America did nothing to oppress or fuck with the muslims of Afghanistan. All they did was give them assistance in their time of greatest need.
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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
#5505921 - 04/11/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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And then dump them? More like the afghans gave America assistance in making sure America's enemy wouldn't get more land and spread. Of course the Afghanies probably weren't even thinking about the fact that both countries want power and control over the globe and the only difference was that USSR attacked them first.
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oh wow! someone that doesnt have an agenda to suppress factual knowledge on this subject by just denying it even after being shown from alternate sources!
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So you're saying it was incorrect for the US (and a dozen or so other countries) to have given the muslims in Afghanistan a hand?
Was it also then incorrect for the US to give the muslims in the Balkans a hand?
And what do you mean by "dump" them? The goal of the Afghanis was to boot out the Sovs. They did. Note that the US also continued to give foreign aid to Afghanistan after the Sovs got the boot. They also helped in the (still ongoing) cleaning up of unexploded mines in the country -- none of which were put there by the US, remember.
This you call "dumping" them? What more do you want fa cryin' out loud?
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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
#5506179 - 04/11/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Never said it wasn't correct... America made sure USSR didn't get the territory.
It's not what I want, it's what the peace loving fucks want. They want equality, they want US to stop using other countries.
No one gives a fuck about the Afghanies. If we gave a fuck, we wouldn't have let Taliban take over. They served their purpose during the cold war, just like some fish laying their eggs and then dying cause they have no other reason to live for after spawning.
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/arms/landmines-bck1011.htm
"The United States provided landmines to mujahidin fighters as part of U.S. covert assistance in the 1980s."
It was smaller amount than what USSR and pro USSR governments planted.
Next time please tell the truth.
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Next time please tell the truth.
Human Rights Watch is a good site to check for human rights abuses. I have far less confidence in their proclamations that the US provided land mines to the mujahadin. Got any other sources?
However, for the sake of argument, let's pretend the US did supply the muj with landmines of Belgian, Chinese, ex-Czechoslovakian, Iranian, Italian, Pakistani, Singaporean, ex-USSR, United Kingdom, ex-Yugoslavian, and Zimbabwean manufacture. At least they have assisted (to a greater degree than any other country) in the removal of those mines. More than can be said for the Sovs.
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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
#5506415 - 04/12/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you believe that they say that USSR provided a majority of mines but you don't believe that USA also provided mines?
By the way, USA does both, it fucks countries in the ass and it gives aid.
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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
#5507062 - 04/12/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you're saying it was incorrect for the US (and a dozen or so other countries) to have given the muslims in Afghanistan a hand?
Was it wrong to stir up fundamentalist muslims in jihad against the Russians? Yes. I don't think anyone can question this.
If the Russians had been left alone they would have installed a puppet government and left. Russia has had influence in Afghanistan for hundreds of years anyway. Afghanistan would be in a far better state than it is today after 20 years of war and fundamentalist muslims.
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So you believe that they say that USSR provided a majority of mines but you don't believe that USA also provided mines?
There are multiple sources confirming that, not just HWR. Besides, when the vast majority of the mines are of Soviet manufacture, it's pretty much a dead giveaway.
Bottom line here is it doesn't pay to help muslims.
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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
#5508185 - 04/12/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you think American was right to support fundamentalists that oppresed their own people?
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Do you think American was right to support fundamentalists that oppresed their own people?
And which fundamentalists would those be? The mujahadin to whom the US (and over a dozen other countries) provided aid didn't oppress their own people, they fought the Soviets.
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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
#5508824 - 04/12/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ah yea, great Al qaeda, they are our friends. Yes, we did give them aid, lol. We should of killed all of them before leaving Afghanistan. Tied up all the lose ends.
Why didn't US stop Taliban from getting into power?
You really should stop saying "they fought the soviets". They were our fucking puppets and they outlived their usefullness.
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Ah yea, great Al qaeda, they are our friends. Yes, we did give them aid, lol.
You really should brush up on the facts before you post again. The Soviet invasion predates the formation of Al Qaeda.
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We should of killed all of them before leaving Afghanistan. Tied up all the lose ends.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
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Why didn't US stop Taliban from getting into power?
Why didn't anyone else?
Look, I thought your whole point was that the US shouldn't meddle in the affairs of muslims -- let them kill each other off or let the Soviets kill them off or whatever. Now you're saying the US didn't meddle enough in Afghanistan once the Soviets were kicked out.
Pick a stance and stick to it.
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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
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I don't believe he said we shouldn't meddle in other's affairs. He was just saying that if we do, we should do it right so the creature we spawn doesn't come back to bite the hand that fed it.
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Redstorm said: I don't believe he said we shouldn't meddle in other's affairs. He was just saying that if we do, we should do it right so the creature we spawn doesn't come back to bite the hand that fed it.
Yea, he usually changes the topic though... Completely been dodging facts.
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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
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Look, I thought your whole point was that the US shouldn't meddle in the affairs of muslims -- let them kill each other off or let the Soviets kill them off or whatever. Now you're saying the US didn't meddle enough in Afghanistan once the Soviets were kicked out.
Don't try and equate Afghanistan with militant fundamentalist muslims. In the seventies Afghanistan was nothing like a fundamentalist muslim country. They came with US support in the 80's.
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Re: iran [Re: Alex213]
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Yep. Tora Bora was built with CIA money to help Osama and others fight Soviets. Then a decade later America was back again except it was trying to destroy Tora Bora. That was one of the fiercest firefights during the Afghan War because some say Osama was there and his fighters were fighting like crazy trying to keep rangers and seals out.
They totaly should have put more resources in Afghanistan and wiped out anyone that changed sides and targeted American and its interest. Heh, it seems like the only reason Osama didn't fight US then is because Soviet invasion was a bigger threat.
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Osama is a Saudi who didn't much give a shit about America until after the first Iraq war, which was well after the Soviet/Afghan conflict. I don't think Osama had a presence in that war at all.
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So 10 years after he came to Afghanistan to fight he turned on us? Then 10 years after that he attacks the WTC towers, pentagon? Is that not enough time to take his ass out?
Fucking even Clinton could of done it. He had the opportunity, but pussied out.
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