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Re: iran [Re: downforpot]
    #5506070 - 04/11/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So you're saying it was incorrect for the US (and a dozen or so other countries) to have given the muslims in Afghanistan a hand?

Was it also then incorrect for the US to give the muslims in the Balkans a hand?

And what do you mean by "dump" them? The goal of the Afghanis was to boot out the Sovs. They did. Note that the US also continued to give foreign aid to Afghanistan after the Sovs got the boot. They also helped in the (still ongoing) cleaning up of unexploded mines in the country -- none of which were put there by the US, remember.

This you call "dumping" them? What more do you want fa cryin' out loud?




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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5506179 - 04/11/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Never said it wasn't correct... America made sure USSR didn't get the territory.

It's not what I want, it's what the peace loving fucks want. They want equality, they want US to stop using other countries.

No one gives a fuck about the Afghanies. If we gave a fuck, we wouldn't have let Taliban take over. They served their purpose during the cold war, just like some fish laying their eggs and then dying cause they have no other reason to live for after spawning.

http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/arms/landmines-bck1011.htm

"The United States provided landmines to mujahidin fighters as part of U.S. covert assistance in the 1980s."

It was smaller amount than what USSR and pro USSR governments planted.

Next time please tell the truth.


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Re: iran [Re: downforpot]
    #5506292 - 04/12/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Next time please tell the truth.




Human Rights Watch is a good site to check for human rights abuses. I have far less confidence in their proclamations that the US provided land mines to the mujahadin. Got any other sources?

However, for the sake of argument, let's pretend the US did supply the muj with landmines of Belgian, Chinese, ex-Czechoslovakian, Iranian, Italian, Pakistani, Singaporean, ex-USSR, United Kingdom, ex-Yugoslavian, and Zimbabwean manufacture. At least they have assisted (to a greater degree than any other country) in the removal of those mines. More than can be said for the Sovs.




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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5506415 - 04/12/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So you believe that they say that USSR provided a majority of mines but you don't believe that USA also provided mines?

By the way, USA does both, it fucks countries in the ass and it gives aid.

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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5507062 - 04/12/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So you're saying it was incorrect for the US (and a dozen or so other countries) to have given the muslims in Afghanistan a hand?


Was it wrong to stir up fundamentalist muslims in jihad against the Russians? Yes. I don't think anyone can question this.

If the Russians had been left alone they would have installed a puppet government and left. Russia has had influence in Afghanistan for hundreds of years anyway. Afghanistan would be in a far better state than it is today after 20 years of war and fundamentalist muslims.


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Re: iran [Re: downforpot]
    #5507177 - 04/12/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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So you believe that they say that USSR provided a majority of mines but you don't believe that USA also provided mines?




There are multiple sources confirming that, not just HWR. Besides, when the vast majority of the mines are of Soviet manufacture, it's pretty much a dead giveaway.

Bottom line here is it doesn't pay to help muslims.




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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5508185 - 04/12/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do you think American was right to support fundamentalists that oppresed their own people?


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Re: iran [Re: downforpot]
    #5508299 - 04/12/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you think American was right to support fundamentalists that oppresed their own people?




And which fundamentalists would those be? The mujahadin to whom the US (and over a dozen other countries) provided aid didn't oppress their own people, they fought the Soviets.





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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5508824 - 04/12/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ah yea, great Al qaeda, they are our friends. Yes, we did give them aid, lol. We should of killed all of them before leaving Afghanistan. Tied up all the lose ends.

Why didn't US stop Taliban from getting into power?

You really should stop saying "they fought the soviets". They were our fucking puppets and they outlived their usefullness.


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Re: iran [Re: downforpot]
    #5508899 - 04/12/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Ah yea, great Al qaeda, they are our friends. Yes, we did give them aid, lol.




You really should brush up on the facts before you post again. The Soviet invasion predates the formation of Al Qaeda.

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We should of killed all of them before leaving Afghanistan. Tied up all the lose ends.




Hindsight is always 20/20.

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Why didn't US stop Taliban from getting into power?




Why didn't anyone else?

Look, I thought your whole point was that the US shouldn't meddle in the affairs of muslims -- let them kill each other off or let the Soviets kill them off or whatever. Now you're saying the US didn't meddle enough in Afghanistan once the Soviets were kicked out.

Pick a stance and stick to it.





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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5508996 - 04/12/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't believe he said we shouldn't meddle in other's affairs. He was just saying that if we do, we should do it right so the creature we spawn doesn't come back to bite the hand that fed it.


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Re: iran [Re: Redstorm]
    #5509356 - 04/12/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
I don't believe he said we shouldn't meddle in other's affairs. He was just saying that if we do, we should do it right so the creature we spawn doesn't come back to bite the hand that fed it.




Yea, he usually changes the topic though... Completely been dodging facts.


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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5511084 - 04/13/06 03:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Look, I thought your whole point was that the US shouldn't meddle in the affairs of muslims -- let them kill each other off or let the Soviets kill them off or whatever. Now you're saying the US didn't meddle enough in Afghanistan once the Soviets were kicked out.


Don't try and equate Afghanistan with militant fundamentalist muslims. In the seventies Afghanistan was nothing like a fundamentalist muslim country. They came with US support in the 80's.


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Re: iran [Re: Alex213]
    #5512869 - 04/13/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yep. Tora Bora was built with CIA money to help Osama and others fight Soviets. Then a decade later America was back again except it was trying to destroy Tora Bora. That was one of the fiercest firefights during the Afghan War because some say Osama was there and his fighters were fighting like crazy trying to keep rangers and seals out.

They totaly should have put more resources in Afghanistan and wiped out anyone that changed sides and targeted American and its interest. Heh, it seems like the only reason Osama didn't fight US then is because Soviet invasion was a bigger threat.


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Re: iran [Re: downforpot]
    #5516535 - 04/14/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Osama is a Saudi who didn't much give a shit about America until after the first Iraq war, which was well after the Soviet/Afghan conflict. I don't think Osama had a presence in that war at all.


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Re: iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5516915 - 04/14/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So 10 years after he came to Afghanistan to fight he turned on us? Then 10 years after that he attacks the WTC towers, pentagon? Is that not enough time to take his ass out?

Fucking even Clinton could of done it. He had the opportunity, but pussied out.


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