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Re: iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5501193 - 04/10/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

is it really truly selfless when you remind people with unabashed rhetoric that you "selflessly have protected their lives and freedom"?
See, this is what I am talking about, it is a lose-lose situation which they have cornered us into. There is no proof that we have been protected... in fact, I feel less safe to travel the world as an American, because of the actions of the Bush administration. before Bush was in office, I would have loved to visit egypt, maybe even see Nebuchadnezzars tomb as well. Now, I cannot, because we have created and generated hate towards us, exactly what Bush wanted, because now people like you say "See! they hate us!".

It is like beating a dog and wondering why it flinches or attacks you when you come around and say "see! that dog hates me for no reason!".

Before the war, I felt safe, now I dont, I dont get where some of you guys are claiming that we are safer now, there is no proof for it whatsoever.


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Re: iran [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5501218 - 04/10/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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"Erroneous!" j/k....

but seriously, the majority of Americans dont even have a clue that we placed Sadaam in power, nor do they realize that all terrorist action was taken as a result of American involvement 12 years prior to the invasion.




"Erroneous!" I AM NOT KIDDING

what a fucking joke

I wish we could go back to the times of zahid and his social experiement. Boy, i never thought i would say that.


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Re: iran [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5501226 - 04/10/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

being alive right now is a proof(to me at least). you have to think about the different possibilities that could've happened if someone didn't do this or that, didn't take action etc.

its almost impossible to be "unhated" especially living in a powerful country. there's always going to be jealousy and people are just plain fucked up in their minds and would do anything to get noticed and to simply harm people. our country has to do something, we cant just leave it the way it is. Korea for example. we cant just let them do whatever they please. it may not be logical but thats how it is. if you feel threatened you do something about it.


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Re: iran [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5501239 - 04/10/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You may have felt safer before but that was from an ignorant notion of the dangers of the world. 3,000 people felt safe when they went to work and boarded planes. But their feelings were..... what? Shit is what they were. Now they are dead. You don't now "feel" safe to visit Egypt? Let me give you a bulletin. You never were safe there. Ever. Ask Sadat, the only reformer they ever had. How "safe" was he? You can have your feelings. It is a happy indulgence the adults in the world will do their best to let you continue to have.

And hey, what's up with the New M.Barney movie? Restraint 3.0 or something like that. No shit, the weird fuck lives with Bjork and their kid right across the river. Not far from the whackjobs #2 nuclear target, Israel being #1.


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Re: iran [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5501254 - 04/10/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

so, its ok that the world has an insane egomaniac run government with WMD's that instills fear in the rest of the world, just as long as it is us?


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Re: iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5501277 - 04/10/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i guess thats were trust comes in. do you think our Government would use those wmd? i mean weve had them for a while now. when i think about it. the reason why they hate us is their jealous. why not? i would be if i was in a 3rd world country. but letting a 3rd world country who is very hostile towards us with a wmd, would be pretty stupid. its like giving a loaded shotgun to a retard that hates you.

(no offense to mentally disabled people, it was just an example)


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Re: iran [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5501307 - 04/10/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

trust the government...... wow, that is good, we all got a nice chuckle out of that one......thanks.


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Re: iran [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5501315 - 04/10/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hey why not as long as they dont fuck me over im cool w/ them


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Re: iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5501324 - 04/10/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If you weren't scared by the spoonfed bullshit the government gave us, you are an idiot.




The only thing i am scared of is our government.


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Re: iran [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5501454 - 04/10/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

psilocyberin writes:

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but seriously, the majority of Americans dont even have a clue that we placed Sadaam in power...




That would be because "we" didn't place him in power. He clawed his way to the top of the Ba'athist dungheap all on his own.

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... nor do they realize that all terrorist action was taken as a result of American involvement 12 years prior to the invasion.




That would be because that statement is complete bullshit and most Americans have the intelligence to realize it.




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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5501531 - 04/10/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ah, so we had no interaction with the funding and political interference with Afghanistan 12 years prior to the televized fiasco?
nothing like that happened? the actions of the US werent a direct cause for certain political parties coming to power?


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Re: iran [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5501897 - 04/10/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'd much rather open up trade with Iran than bomb them.


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Re: iran [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5504078 - 04/11/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
If you weren't scared by the spoonfed bullshit the government gave us, you are an idiot.




The only thing i am scared of is our government.




Please refrain from attributing your own statements to me. This is not OTD. I would like the above fabricated quote deleted.

I don't care what you're afraid of. This government allows you the luxury of being afraid only of it. Without it you would have to be very afraid of a whole shit load of things you take for granted. Believe me when I tell you that I seriously doubt many people here would last more than a few minutes without police. "All your stash is mine, bwahahahahaha."


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Re: iran [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5504150 - 04/11/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

psilocyberin writes:

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Ah, so we had no interaction with the funding and political interference with Afghanistan 12 years prior to the televized fiasco?




Twelve years ago was 1994. Clinton was just over a year into his first term. Please remind us what "interference with Afghanistan" Clinton was involved in. Be specific, please.

Please be specific also about which political parties came to power -- and where -- as a direct cause of US actions taken twelve years ago.



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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5504373 - 04/11/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i said 12 years prior to the televized fiasco, which would be 2001 I believe, which would make 12 years prior to that 1989, which would put who in the presidents chair? hmmmm

But, I was only talking about how we completely used the entire country as a welcome mat for war, destroyed it, and then kind of just walked away with a shrug hoping that it would all just be forgotten about.

But, if you really want me to delve deeper into this, lets do this.

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wiki says: Opposition against, and conflict within, the series of communist governments that followed, was considerable. As part of a Cold War strategy, the US government began to covertly fund and train anti-government Mujahideen forces through the Pakistani secret service agency known as Inter Services Intelligence or ISI, which were derived from discontented Muslims in the country who opposed the official atheism of the Marxist regime, in 1978. In order to bolster the local Communist forces the Soviet Union - citing the 1978 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Good Neighborliness that had been signed between the two countries in 1978 - intervened on December 24, 1979. The Soviet occupation resulted in a mass exodus of over 5 million Afghans who moved into refugee camps in neighboring Pakistan and Iran. More than 3 million alone settled in Pakistan. Faced with mounting international pressure and the loss of approximately 15,000 Soviet soldiers as a result of Mujahideen opposition forces trained by the United States, Pakistan, and other foreign governments, the Soviets withdrew ten years later, in 1989. For more details, see Soviet war in Afghanistan.

The Soviet withdrawal was seen as an ideological victory in the US, which ostensibly had backed the Mujahideen in order to counter Soviet influence in the vicinity of the oil-rich Persian Gulf. Following the removal of the Soviet forces in 1989, the US and its allies lost interest in Afghanistan and did little to help rebuild the war-ravaged country. The USSR continued to support the regime of Dr. Najubullah (formerly the head of the secret service, Khad) until its downfall in 1992. However, the absence of the Soviet forces resulted in the downfall of the government as it steadily lost ground to the guerrilla forces.[1]

As the vast majority of the elites and intellectuals had either been systematically eliminated by the Communists, or escaped to take refuge abroad, a dangerous leadership vacuum came into existence. Fighting continued among the various Mujahidin factions, eventually giving rise to a state of warlordism. The chaos and corruption that dominated post-Soviet Afghanistan in turn spawned the rise of the Taliban in response to the growing chaos. The most serious fighting during this growing civil conflict occurred in 1994, when 10,000 people were killed during factional fighting in Kabul.






So, your were right Phred! we didnt have any hand in the current state of affairs in Afghanistan, or with any of the surrounding regions. What do those crazy rag heads have to bitch about? they only had their country raped and used by the US as a launch point for their Cold War, and it was only Pres Bush that withdrew all support and broke all promises. Why be bitter? we all know you wouldnt if that was your country, right?


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Re: iran [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5504489 - 04/11/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

psilocyberin says
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Bush rules :rockon:




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Re: iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5504532 - 04/11/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

with an iron fist!


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    #5504570 - 04/11/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: iran [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5504606 - 04/11/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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i said 12 years prior to the televized fiasco, which would be 2001 I believe...




So by "televised fiasco" you were referring to the September 11 attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center? My bad for not understanding that by "fiasco" you meant "successful terrorist attack".

As for the "interference" in Afghanistan's affairs, let's see. The Soviet Union invades Afghanistan in late 1979, on Jimmy Carter's watch. America (and at least a dozen other countries) decides they will assist (financially and with arms) the Afghanis fighting the invaders. Nine years later the Sovs are pushed out of Afghanistan. Some of the ones involved in fighting the Sovs form a new fundamentalist politico/religious sect -- the Taliban -- and eventually seize power in Afghanistan. In a show of gratitude for America's assistance in ousting the godless commies, they then provide a safe haven for Al Qaeda to launch multiple attacks against US interests and eventually the US itself. When asked politely several times to hand over Al Qaeda, the Taliban responds by making bloodcurdling threats. So the United Nations invades Afghanistan, deposes the Taliban, and allows the Afghanis to elect their own government as a replacement.

Moral of the story -- helping muslims defend themselves from being slaughtered is a VERY stupid idea.



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Re: iran [Re: Phred]
    #5504638 - 04/11/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Its more like, there was this guy who wanted to see his ass get kicked, and he was fucking with this other small guy, and you bolster his confidence, tell him you will back him no matter what, that he should rise up and beat the shit out of this guy, and when he does, you sit back and watch the little guy get his ass demolished and then you walk away slowly whistling.


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