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OfflineHippieChick
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Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE)
    #5500197 - 04/10/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I decided to fruit some spawned poo, 2 1/2 pounds to 1 quart WBS , without casing it. Here's how it's coming along so far

That's it when I put it in the greenhouse on 4-3



Here it is on 4-7



and here it is today



:thumbup:

Now, I did follow some of RR's advice and injected it in various spots with 2 CC's of distilled water on the 8th.

25 places, 2 CC's each spot. Question for RR, how often should you inject it with water?

Should be picking it tomorrow and compare yield with 2 other casings the same size that were cased.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5500214 - 04/10/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hey hc, how does that flush compare to other first flushes of cased poo that youve done? also what strain is that?


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5500290 - 04/10/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thats a nice bday cake you have there. grab some sparklers and take a pic1
did you use wax paper as a fake casing by any chance?


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: skeletor]
    #5500311 - 04/10/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hey hippi! Nice grow! Thanks for all your help.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: Cray]
    #5500333 - 04/10/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That's awesome!!!


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: skeletor]
    #5500636 - 04/10/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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thats a nice bday cake you have there. grab some sparklers and take a pic1
did you use wax paper as a fake casing by any chance?




Nope. Threw it in there on top of some damp verm. :thumbup:

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5500670 - 04/10/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Awww, it's cute, LOL.

:thumbup:

Looking good as always...:cool:

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5500688 - 04/10/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

man thats really deep substrate, i would of expected bigger fruits no?


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: nuk1m]
    #5500698 - 04/10/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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man thats really deep substrate, i would of expected bigger fruits no?




Indeed...But then again...That pinset is amazing...I don't think i've ever seen GIANTS spread throughout...Let alone a giant period sourrouned by mushies.

Typically only see them on 2nd flushes or one bad pinsets...Like as if the myc. senses that it doesn't have many fruits, so It puts ALOT into one or two (or several), probably for the fact that a bigger cap = more spores....:smirk:

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5500800 - 04/10/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

wow very nice work.
did u sterilize the wbs first or just spawn it to WBS raw?


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: nuk1m]
    #5500890 - 04/10/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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nuk1m said:
man thats really deep substrate, i would of expected bigger fruits no?




Just measured. It's 2 3/4" deep by 7 1/2" wide by 12" long.

Like Gnostic said, the more prolific the flush, the smaller the fruits. We'll see how big they get as the number decreases and the available nutrients aren't spread so thin. :thumbup:

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5500971 - 04/10/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think the jumbo manure cakes will be the wave of the future LOL.  No side pinning woes and makes better use of the surface area. 

It seems pretty clear that you will never get the kind of seemingly PERFECT pin sets some of the Old hands post pictures of without casing.  But hey, I think anyone would be happy with the yield on that beauty.

Well done......so when we gonna get the new greenhouse tek? :laugh:


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: musher_420]
    #5500997 - 04/10/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There is no special ''greenhouse tek'', it's just a damn fruiting chamber made from a bookshelf, man. No new tek here.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: Anonymous]
    #5501077 - 04/10/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome grow, you must be proud. What strain is that?


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5501172 - 04/10/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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hey hc, how does that flush compare to other first flushes of cased poo that youve done? also what strain is that?





Here's 2 the exact same size , cased , that were harvested yesterday



one was 675, the other 645 wet.

We'll see how it compares sometime tomorrow, hopefully :grin:

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5501192 - 04/10/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Absolutely beautiful HC. :bowdown:


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: Hippyflip]
    #5502614 - 04/11/06 07:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nice job HC. The syrige can supply as much water as a casing layer. Just don't make the cake waterlogged. Inject whenever your intuition tells you the substrate is thirsty. Over time, you can develop a pretty good feel for picking up a tray and 'reading' the moisture content by the weight. The advantage is a quicker flush and there's no casing layer to contaminate. The disadvantage is in somewhat smaller pinset, which wax paper might help to fix.
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Re: Uncased POO [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5502632 - 04/11/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks. :grin:

I'll try the wax paper on the next one :thumbup:

I'll wait till after I harvest this one and it starts to pin again before injecting it again as I plan on dunking it

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5502636 - 04/11/06 08:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

good grow HC, looking fine fruits aye.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: FractalXplora]
    #5502647 - 04/11/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

u so rock HC! one day i hope to get a grow like this


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: ZEPH]
    #5504983 - 04/11/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well , I just harvested my uncased poo cake. These were the 2 of the same size that were cased



675 and 640 respectively.


Now for the uncased



and the verdict



679 wet. BIGGER then either of the cased. :thumbup:

Maybe all the talk about cube's not needing to be cased isn't just talk,lol. :grin:

Another added bonus is no casing material stuck to them that needs to be cleaned off :thumbup:

Definitely going to repeat this little experiment with some of the 7 I planned on casing tonight. Think I'll case 5 and let the other 2 alone.

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5505003 - 04/11/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Holy sporulation batman!! :laugh:


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5505026 - 04/11/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Damn you've come aways HC...:lol:

Very nice :thumbup:

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5506285 - 04/12/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hippie is right; a cased tray doesn't yield more than a uncased tray unless you really are experienced with casings. However, if you fully master them, a casing can yield more, but it's not night and day like some people think.

So why bother with a casing? Well when a cased tray is done just right, something miraculous happens. Let me explain with a couple pictures:



What you see above is a 12-quart dish tray holding a cased substrate of Ecuadorian cubensis (first flush). The surface area of that tray is about 0.9 square foot, and the yield from that one tray IN THE FIRST FLUSH was 1400+ grams (over 3 pounds)! What is even more amazing is that this isn't unusual; a properly managed casing in the right hands can do it every time, and many old timers on here like agar can back me up on that. I do not believe one can get that sort of yield without a casing.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: Blue Helix]
    #5506340 - 04/12/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with ya 100% Blue. I'm definitely not giving up on casing. Did this just for fun , and I like to watch a cake go through fruiting . Get to watch everything happen :grin: I think the reason it out produced the 2 that were cased was because of the increase in surface area exposed to light.

I'm still working on mastering casing's , but I just picked this 12 quart a hour ago



a personal best so far



:thumbup:

This is my first go with 50/50+ and it blows coir/verm away :grin:

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5506375 - 04/12/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Looks real nice, Hippie! I love seeing trays like that, packed with goodness and ready to pick! You know they can grow so fast that the substrate can get pretty hot too! I had a temperature probe once show the temperature of the bed core rise from about 78F to around 90F during the fruiting, and that wasn't from the chamber heat either. The biological activity during fruiting can become so extreme that the temperature of the whole bed rises significantly.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: Blue Helix]
    #5506463 - 04/12/06 02:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

whats the casing mix 50/50 verm coir? Also helix what kind FC do u use for those 12 qt dishtubs?


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: down44]
    #5506478 - 04/12/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

50/50+ is 50% peat , 50% verm. + a buffering agent to adjust the PH . I used Hi-Yield horticultural hydrated lime. Plus 15% crushed oyster shell as a long term buffer.

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5506766 - 04/12/06 06:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nice flush HC! A point for all to keep in mind casings are not needed but certainly do help with yields in less than optimum conditions. Uncased trays can fruit prolifically if conditions are optimal in the  environment where as cased casings are much more tolerable of environmental conditions. Can't wait to see the second flush HC! Also keep in mind that the casing layer provides alot of moisture that the fruits use up this helps keep the substrate shrinking to a minimum.
Bottom line cased or uncased optimally flushes can be comparable but more often than not newbies grows will not be optimal so give yourself the best bang for the buck so to speak. If ya ever need help harvesting HC give me a call!  :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: hyphae]
    #5506834 - 04/12/06 06:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think one would be hard pressed to fit any more mushies on thier casing than HippieChic and Blue Helix do...

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5506869 - 04/12/06 07:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome job HC (as usual!!)   

{btw, welcome back, i haven't spoke to you since}

this looks like something i might try in the near future........
i'm no pro yet, but i do love to watch the little guys grow also.......
and i never thought about flipping the substrate over on a tray and letting it grow by itself.........good idea!

:thumbup: :thumbup: thanks for the inspiration........


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: cappsnstems]
    #5506893 - 04/12/06 07:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nice work HC ~  :thumbup: some great looking mushie !
Got a question though, do you patch poo in order to get a even pin set ? or just leave it untill its ready to fruit ? Any input r welcome, thanks a lot ~  :mushroom2:


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5507203 - 04/12/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

50/50 ver/coir is 50% volume vermiculite and 50% volume coco coir. My chamber along with that particular grow is detailed here . Since that thread, the chamber has been changed to feature uniform, from tray top to bottom, temperature control and better air circulation to the bottoms of the tray. I will describe the changes in a Pan Cyan log in a week.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: Blue Helix]
    #5507320 - 04/12/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

for watering that big b-day cake... i have used drinking straws...


drill a hole little bit into the cake. insert a drinking straw, and fill the straw up with water, it will slowly drip into, and provide water for the whole deal.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #5507730 - 04/12/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Your braggin.....and have the right too....lol
Very nice :smile:

Also nice to see you again !!!

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #5507804 - 04/12/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nice portabellas there! :thumbup: :grin:

Looking tasty! No PE's in this batch?


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FooMan]
    #5510126 - 04/12/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Not this batch :grin:

Just got a package from Ryche at The Hawks Eye though :wink: so I'll be back to my favorites real soon. Gonna try some Pans Cyans also.
Should be fun.

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #9808344 - 02/16/09 02:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Old post, I know... But I've got a couple questions to ask...

First of all, let me say NICE GROW, HippieChick!

I'm working with uncased horse poop right now too so I'm curious about a couple things.

Do you think uncased poo fruits better if its layed out like a cake rather than sitting in the tray?

Did you continue to experiement with uncased poo? If so how did everything turn out for you?

And did you ever experiment with that wax paper on top as a simulation casing layer?

Thanks for the help!

And if anyone else has experimented with uncased poo I'd apreciate your advice too.

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FungiFarmer]
    #9808359 - 02/16/09 02:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ouch, resurrecting a nearly 3 year old thread.

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FungiFarmer]
    #9808367 - 02/16/09 02:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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FungiFarmer said:
Old post, I know... But I've got a couple questions to ask...

First of all, let me say NICE GROW, HippieChick!

I'm working with uncased horse poop right now too so I'm curious about a couple things.

Do you think uncased poo fruits better if its layed out like a cake rather than sitting in the tray?

Did you continue to experiement with uncased poo? If so how did everything turn out for you?

And did you ever experiment with that wax paper on top as a simulation casing layer?

Thanks for the help!

And if anyone else has experimented with uncased poo I'd apreciate your advice too.

:stoned:




Adding a casing layer to a properly hydrated substrate when growing cubensis is totally optional, regardless of the substrate.  It would be essential if you didn't want to spawn your grains to a substrate, in which case you would simply apply the casing layer on top of the grains by themselves.

This isn't to say they aren't beneficial...but new growers don't need to bother with them initially. I don't think so anyway. ~Pixie~


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: shroomzey]
    #9808389 - 02/16/09 02:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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shroomzey said:
Ouch, resurrecting a nearly 3 year old thread.

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Read the first line of my post. I wanted to ask Hippie Chick a couple questions about her grow.

Everyone around here bitches up a storm when people don't use the fucking search engine.

Now that I did use the fucking search engine and found an informational thread, I get bitched at for it.

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: shroomzey]
    #9808402 - 02/16/09 02:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Ouch, resurrecting a nearly 3 year old thread.

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: Psuper]
    #9808408 - 02/16/09 02:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup::smile:


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FungiFarmer]
    #9808459 - 02/16/09 02:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

FungiFarmer said:
Quote:

shroomzey said:
Ouch, resurrecting a nearly 3 year old thread.

:whack:




Read the first line of my post. I wanted to ask Hippie Chick a couple questions about her grow.

Everyone around here bitches up a storm when people don't use the fucking search engine.

Now that I did use the fucking search engine and found an informational thread, I get bitched at for it.

What the fuck shroomery? :evil:




Since most of your questions are directed towards her, you could have asked said question in the form of a PM.

And, if you're looking for answers and opinions from members, you could just make a new thread, and then list this link in your thread and reference to it.  If you continued to use the search function you'd find the answers to your questions, without resurrecting the thread.  Granted you're asking for her opinion, it just bad taste seeing how some people come in here and ask questions in a thread that has been long dead and most people contributing to it may no longer be active.

Luckily she still is.

Ah well.  :shrug: :smile:


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: shroomzey]
    #9808521 - 02/16/09 02:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

OR I could have just resurected the thread like I did. :cool:


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FungiFarmer]
    #9811005 - 02/16/09 10:09 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

FungiFarmer said:
Old post, I know... But I've got a couple questions to ask...

First of all, let me say NICE GROW, HippieChick!

I'm working with uncased horse poop right now too so I'm curious about a couple things.

Do you think uncased poo fruits better if its layed out like a cake rather than sitting in the tray?

Did you continue to experiement with uncased poo? If so how did everything turn out for you?

And did you ever experiment with that wax paper on top as a simulation casing layer?

Thanks for the help!

And if anyone else has experimented with uncased poo I'd apreciate your advice too.

:stoned:




Thanks:grin:

I found uncased poo gets best results when it's removed from the tray and treated like a cake . I like to expose as much of it to light as possible.

I don't case any bulk subs anymore .

Never tried the wax paper , don't see how it could hurt though.

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #9811213 - 02/16/09 10:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hey HC. When you say that you like to treat your colonized and uncased poo subsrates like cakes what kind of set up do you use? Shotgun? Martha?

Do you think doing bulk substrates as cakes has many benefits over using a monotub style set up?


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: kjb1891]
    #9811504 - 02/16/09 11:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Also, do you still inject the sub with syringes? Or just dunk and drain? If you DO inject, have you developed a system, or just feel it out? I may be wrong, but didnt I read that you dunk for only 4 hours vs. overnight?


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #9811741 - 02/17/09 12:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Since most of your questions are directed towards her, you could have asked said question in the form of a PM.

And, if you're looking for answers and opinions from members, you could just make a new thread, and then list this link in your thread and reference to it.




The moderators here are more than capable of handing out bitch slappings when called for, which isn't the case for bumping this thread. 

There's nothing wrong with bumping a good thread to ask a follow up question.  That's exactly why we tell people to use the search engine.
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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9811773 - 02/17/09 12:11 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

good thread to bump :laugh:


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #9812748 - 02/17/09 06:34 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks:grin:

I found uncased poo gets best results when it's removed from the tray and treated like a cake . I like to expose as much of it to light as possible.

I don't case any bulk subs anymore .

Never tried the wax paper , don't see how it could hurt though.

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Thanks for answering my questions!

I'm gonna start fruiting mine as cakes now rather than in the tray and see how that works out for me.

I'm also curious about if you still inject with water? And if so how do you go about doing it?

So you only work with uncased now huh? That's awesome, maybe I'll never have to fuck around with casing layers then.

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9812750 - 02/17/09 06:35 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Since most of your questions are directed towards her, you could have asked said question in the form of a PM.

And, if you're looking for answers and opinions from members, you could just make a new thread, and then list this link in your thread and reference to it.




The moderators here are more than capable of handing out bitch slappings when called for, which isn't the case for bumping this thread. 

There's nothing wrong with bumping a good thread to ask a follow up question.  That's exactly why we tell people to use the search engine.
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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FungiFarmer]
    #9812780 - 02/17/09 06:55 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

yea i tried my hand at uncased poo...it works pretty good as a tray...


that was the first flush...i dunked those and dumped them out upside down on the tub lid and im gonna try the second flush as a cake and see what happens:grin::thumbup:


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FungiFarmer]
    #9813083 - 02/17/09 08:38 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

FungiFarmer said:
Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
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Since most of your questions are directed towards her, you could have asked said question in the form of a PM.

And, if you're looking for answers and opinions from members, you could just make a new thread, and then list this link in your thread and reference to it.




The moderators here are more than capable of handing out bitch slappings when called for, which isn't the case for bumping this thread. 

There's nothing wrong with bumping a good thread to ask a follow up question.  That's exactly why we tell people to use the search engine.
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Thank you! :thumbup::thumbup:




You guys are right, I apologize for my hostility.  While for some reason I thought I was helping, I was actually being counter-productive.  I should have been more encouraging.  My bad.  =)


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: shroomzey]
    #9813166 - 02/17/09 08:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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    #9813554 - 02/17/09 10:51 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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yea i tried my hand at uncased poo...it works pretty good as a tray...


that was the first flush...i dunked those and dumped them out upside down on the tub lid and im gonna try the second flush as a cake and see what happens:grin::thumbup:




Cool, keep us updated on how the second flush turns out as a cake. I'm interested in seeing the results.


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #9816157 - 02/17/09 07:03 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Also, do you still inject the sub with syringes? Or just dunk and drain? If you DO inject, have you developed a system, or just feel it out? I may be wrong, but didnt I read that you dunk for only 4 hours vs. overnight?




I just go with a dunk now . Anywhere from 4-6 hours seems to work . Any longer and the poo cake starts to fall apart .

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: kjb1891]
    #9816220 - 02/17/09 07:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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kjb1891 said:
Hey HC. When you say that you like to treat your colonized and uncased poo subsrates like cakes what kind of set up do you use? Shotgun? Martha?

Do you think doing bulk substrates as cakes has many benefits over using a monotub style set up?




I use a green house set up . Pretty much the same thing as a martha . Keep the humidity between 95%-97% with plenty of FAE . I checked it once and I figured it took about 10 minutes for a FAE .

I set the cake on a 50/50 mix of damp verm/perlite



place it in the GH . Keep up the humidity and FAE and wait for fruits



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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #9816297 - 02/17/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Have you been able to nail down any considerable differences in yield in the first flush between keeping the sub tubbed or caked?  And if you do, are your subsequent flushes lesser in comparison?  I'm all for getting the most out of the first 2 flushes and chucking...  I can see how you'd have a larger pin set given the greater amount of surface area, but are you just getting smaller fruits and more of them?  Since a good amount of time as gone by, how would you break down any of the positives and negatives with doing this?


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: ZEPH]
    #9816477 - 02/17/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Looking good hippie what size trays are those on the top shelfs, I just got my greenhouse up and running and I am looking for trays for it..


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #9816817 - 02/17/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That is fucking beautiful! Nice work HippieChick.

Do you use a ultrasonic humidifer? What do you do for FAE now?


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #9816940 - 02/17/09 09:03 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

So do you re-use your 50/50 mix of verm/perlite or do you just use it and throw it away with the poo cake?

And have you ever tried setting the cake directly on the greenhouse shelving rather than on the 50/50 mix? I wonder if it would fruit from the bottom since the shelving isn't solid? I think I'm going to experiment with this.

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Do you use a ultrasonic humidifer?




Judging by her pic I'd say yes. You can't get a fog like that with a cool-mist.



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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FungiFarmer]
    #9817495 - 02/17/09 10:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Judging by her pic I'd say yes. You can't get a fog like that with a cool-mist.




Yeah, that's what I thought from the way the pic looked, but I've never used a humidifier before. So, I wasn't sure what kind it was.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: Damion5050]
    #9829324 - 02/19/09 08:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Damion5050 said:
Looking good hippie what size trays are those on the top shelfs, I just got my greenhouse up and running and I am looking for trays for it..




12 quart sweater boxes from the dollar store , $2.50 including lid . Why do they call it the dollar store,lol ? Nothing I ever need is a friggin dollar:grin:

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FungiFarmer]
    #9829362 - 02/19/09 08:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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So do you re-use your 50/50 mix of verm/perlite or do you just use it and throw it away with the poo cake?

And have you ever tried setting the cake directly on the greenhouse shelving rather than on the 50/50 mix? I wonder if it would fruit from the bottom since the shelving isn't solid? I think I'm going to experiment with this.

Quote:

Do you use a ultrasonic humidifer?




Judging by her pic I'd say yes. You can't get a fog like that with a cool-mist.






Yup , I re-use it . If it gets too dirty , I'll soak it in some bleach water .

Yes , I have a US directly in my cool mist . I turn it on , the CM fills with fog and is then dispersed nice and evenly throughout the GH . No extra hook-ups or piping:thumbup:

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: HippieChick]
    #9829363 - 02/19/09 08:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Looking good hippie what size trays are those on the top shelfs, I just got my greenhouse up and running and I am looking for trays for it..




12 quart sweater boxes from the dollar store , $2.50 including lid . Why do they call it the dollar store,lol ? Nothing I ever need is a friggin dollar:grin:

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #9829371 - 02/19/09 08:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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So do you re-use your 50/50 mix of verm/perlite or do you just use it and throw it away with the poo cake?

And have you ever tried setting the cake directly on the greenhouse shelving rather than on the 50/50 mix? I wonder if it would fruit from the bottom since the shelving isn't solid? I think I'm going to experiment with this.

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Do you use a ultrasonic humidifer?




Judging by her pic I'd say yes. You can't get a fog like that with a cool-mist.






Yup , I re-use it . If it gets too dirty , I'll soak it in some bleach water .

Yes , I have a US directly in my cool mist . I turn it on , the CM fills with fog and is then dispersed nice and evenly throughout the GH . No extra hook-ups or piping:thumbup:

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That is fucking ingenious.. The Fogger in your coolmist, makes sence LoL


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: Damion5050]
    #9829375 - 02/19/09 08:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

5 pounds of poo and 2 quarts of spawn will make a nice cake this size



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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: Damion5050]
    #9829415 - 02/19/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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That is fucking ingenious.. The Fogger in your coolmist, makes sence LoL




Thanks . I thought it was pretty neat .

One of these



inside the CM



put the top on



and you're ready to go . Also cuts down on the mess of the splashing water the US seems to generate:thumbup:

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #9829491 - 02/19/09 08:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Well I build a home made Fogger with a 5 gallon bucket a fogger and a small 50 cfm blower, I completely complicated it compared to you..


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: Damion5050]
    #9829513 - 02/19/09 08:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Question do you ever get back pressure problems, also how often do you have to refill it ??  Ever think about making a reservoir for it..


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: Damion5050]
    #9829536 - 02/19/09 09:03 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

=(  I guess HC doesn't like answering my questions.
:wink:

j/k

I'll simplify my question(s):

Since this thread was posted, what are your differences in yield between using the same amount of substrate in a tub versus cake.

If yes, how are the subsequent flushes affected?
If no, do you just get smaller fruits but more of them, is this preferable to you?

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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: Damion5050]
    #9829661 - 02/19/09 09:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Question do you ever get back pressure problems, also how often do you have to refill it ??  Ever think about making a reservoir for it..




Never had any problems , but I've since added more output lines in the cool mist . I fill it every 2-3 days .

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Re: Uncased POO [Re: ZEPH]
    #9829681 - 02/19/09 09:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ty


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: shroomzey]
    #9829774 - 02/19/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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=(  I guess HC doesn't like answering my questions.
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j/k

I'll simplify my question(s):

Since this thread was posted, what are your differences in yield between using the same amount of substrate in a tub versus cake.

If yes, how are the subsequent flushes affected?
If no, do you just get smaller fruits but more of them, is this preferable to you?

=)




Do you mean uncased in a tub? If so , I've only fruited a couple uncased subs in a tub . The pinsets weren't as prolific so the fruits tended to be bigger





The first flush , and second, tend to have more fruits which are smaller . The third and fourth will be fewer fruits but much bigger , cased or not



Id prefer to just grow one 1,500 gram mushroom , of  course , :wink: Lot less work.

It can take forever to harvest and clean all those babies



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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #10538357 - 06/19/09 05:12 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

hey HC long time no see....do u come around anymore?:frown:

couple questions


are u dunking right after colonization of the poo? or waiting for after the first flush?

the bed of perlite n verm....does that need to be sterilized or anything?


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: Billy1111]
    #10556163 - 06/22/09 08:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

HC who often are you running your humidity set up? Do you have your US running at different times than the cool mist or simultaneous? Also what stain do you use and is it an isolation? And many congrats on such awesome results!! That's what i would like to do. Sorry about the questions that have answers I did some research and found some of the answers I wanted. Although I didn't find an increment on the time for the US in your cool mist. and I believe you that I found you like amazon, yes?


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: HippieChick]
    #13137490 - 09/02/10 08:18 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I just thought I'd bump this beautiful thread to show others that casing is not 100% necessary.

Growing without a casing layer can be quicker, easier, and cheaper, and still produce good yeilds.:mushroom2:


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Re: Uncased POO(UPDATE, HARVEST.SURPRISE,SURPRISE) [Re: FungiFarmer]
    #13137510 - 09/02/10 08:28 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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that casing is not 100% necessary.




I think that was already the consensus around here.  Each time someone talks about casing, someone else pipes up and says it's not at all necessary (with cubensis).


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: andymc]
    #13137533 - 09/02/10 08:40 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

You think this thread is amazing you should see her greenhouse thread.  Now that is amazing.


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Re: Uncased POO [Re: Damion5050]
    #13137542 - 09/02/10 08:44 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Here check this thread out it is absolutly amazing.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5545848#5545848


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Here check this thread out it is absolutly amazing.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5545848#5545848




Thanks. I got a boner! :derfase:

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