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question about Panaeolus Subbalteatus
    #5499819 - 04/10/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have what I believe are Panaeolus Subbalteatus because they pretty much are the description of P. Subbs, such as deformed cap, growing in clusters, wavy stem, black spore print, the only difference is that these ones have white stems. I also have P. foenisecii growing on the property but im able to identify those ones easier. So im just looking for some other people's opionions on what these mayb be. I live in the exact center of california in the foothills if that helps at all.


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Re: question about Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: slimjim077]
    #5499855 - 04/10/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What sort of habitat were they growing in, manure, straw, hay? Is there any way you can post a picture of these mushies? And how about a description of the gills? By your description, and the black spore print, they certainly might be subbs, but a little more detail and some pictures would help make it a definitive ID.


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Re: question about Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: xmush]
    #5499866 - 04/10/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

they are growing in leaves and grass of a black oak tree with other blue oaks near it. before i moved here, horses and cows roamed the property. unfortuneatly i don't have a camera right now so I cant take a pic. the gills are a dark color, between darkish "purple" and then some are black. the gills curve upward with the cap. theres alos a sort of nipple on the top that ranges from gold, light brown, and brown. Thanks


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Hmm... [Re: slimjim077]
    #5500658 - 04/10/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hello- You might want to check the base of the stems for blueing, particularly on the mycelia. Although I have read that many P. subbalteatus do not exhibit any blueing, the vast majority of the ones I have collected do in fact blue quite nicely, usually after the mycelia is exposed to the air for only a few seconds. Your ecology is probably very close to mine, based on the description of where you live... However, the subbs I have encountered were all growing in relatively fresh manure, which would increase the level of nitrogen in the substrate (which I suppose could increase the amount of alkaloids in the mushrooms, producing more blueing...).


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