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#5499216 - 04/10/06 09:19 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
2. If they go, America will not fall to bits. Contrary to what some of these asshole talking heads might tell you, Americans will do the jobs they are stealing. So far today I've seen two roofing crews, and a landscaping crew, compromised of legal citizens. These are the jobs that "nobody else will do" 
3. Illegal immigrants are part of the reason wages are stagnant. They work for less, so companies don't have to pay a reasonable wage.
4. Any company that hires an illegal immigrant should be fined 2% of their annual earnings per head for the first 3, and 5% per head for each thereafter.
5. Protesting in the streets, waving Mexican flags is despicable. You came to America to steal money, but that wasn't enough. Now you have to march and disrespect the opportunities afforded to you by blatantly displaying your aversion to assimilation.
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 Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499236 - 04/10/06 09:27 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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are u serious?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
#5499241 - 04/10/06 09:29 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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As a heart attack.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499253 - 04/10/06 09:33 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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somebody doesnt like mexicans
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
#5499255 - 04/10/06 09:35 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can't fight facts? Cry racism. Sad, honestly.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499258 - 04/10/06 09:36 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Although I think you may be a BIT harsh... I still think that if they come to the country or are here illegally, they why do they deserve the same rights as me, someone who has been here for all his life?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499269 - 04/10/06 09:40 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can't fight facts? Cry racism. Sad, honestly.
Denial.. u dont like mexicans its fuckin clear dude.
I do agree that sure they are illegal maybe they are keeping minimum wages down but shit... "they are criminals and should be treated as such", makes me wanna puke... these guys come to the U.S. to work their asses off looking for a better life in a country that has many more serious problems. Waving the mexican flag is dispicable?
Coming from a shroomerite this post was quite "distasteful". 
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499276 - 04/10/06 09:43 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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daimyo said:
5. Protesting in the streets, waving Mexican flags is despicable. You came to America to steal money, but that wasn't enough. Now you have to march and disrespect the opportunities afforded to you by blatantly displaying your aversion to assimilation.
In closing,
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 Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499278 - 04/10/06 09:43 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Heated topic. This will undoubtedly get moved to p&l.
That said.
Imagine if you were born in a shithole country like mexico. Work hard 18 hours a day. Never enouph money to feed your family. Your catholic, so you have a huge family. (not that you could afford condoms anyway)
Wouldn't you do whatever you could, to make a better life for your children?
Before you go around declaring people criminal and whatnot, try to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.
I could VERY easily be a Mexican right now, if lines had been drawn differently on a map, last time they were fighting for this territory.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Dreamer987]
#5499279 - 04/10/06 09:45 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dreamer987 said:
Heated topic. This will undoubtedly get moved to p&l.
That said.
Imagine if you were born in a shithole country like mexico. Work hard 18 hours a day. Never enouph money to feed your family. Your catholic, so you have a huge family. (not that you could afford condoms anyway)
Wouldn't you do whatever you could, to make a better life for your children?
Before you go around declaring people criminal and whatnot, try to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.
I could VERY easily be a Mexican right now, if lines had been drawn differently on a map, last time they were fighting for this territory.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499280 - 04/10/06 09:46 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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AMERICA, FUCK YEAH
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
#5499282 - 04/10/06 09:48 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said:
Denial.. u dont like mexicans its fuckin clear dude.
It can't be clear, because it isn't so. I do not like illegal immigrants. Mexican, or other.
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I do agree that sure they are illegal maybe they are keeping minimum wages down but shit...
But shit nothin. That's enough of a reason for them to be booted out. Plain and simple.
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Ginseng1 said:
"they are criminals and should be treated as such", makes me wanna puke...
Don't let emotion get in the way of reason.
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Ginseng1 said:
these guys come to the U.S. to work their asses off looking for a better life in a country that has many more serious problems.
Us having other problems is no reason to let this one go on. They can come to this country legally and work.
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Waving the mexican flag is dispicable?
despicable*
You took that out of context. If it was done purposefully, that's sad. If you misunderstood me, read it again.
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Coming from a shroomerite this post was quite "distasteful".
We're not all drug abusing peaceniks 
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499303 - 04/10/06 09:59 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Denial.. u dont like mexicans its fuckin clear dude.
It can't be clear, because it isn't so. I do not like illegal immigrants. Mexican, or other.
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Ginseng1 said:
I do agree that sure they are illegal maybe they are keeping minimum wages down but shit...
But shit nothin. That's enough of a reason for them to be booted out. Plain and simple.
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Ginseng1 said:
"they are criminals and should be treated as such", makes me wanna puke...
Don't let emotion get in the way of reason.
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these guys come to the U.S. to work their asses off looking for a better life in a country that has many more serious problems.
Us having other problems is no reason to let this one go on. They can come to this country legally and work.
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Ginseng1 said:
Waving the mexican flag is dispicable?
despicable*
You took that out of context. If it was done purposefully, that's sad. If you misunderstood me, read it again.
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Ginseng1 said:
Coming from a shroomerite this post was quite "distasteful".
We're not all drug abusing peaceniks
Maybe if the U.S. wasnt one big coorporation, your minimum wage would be up. Blaming it on people who dont complain about how little they get paid, compared the scraps of lint they make on the other side of the border, is just stupid.
Who said shroomerites were "drug abusing peaceniks"? 
and reason?? U think america uses REASON!!?!?!?!
JESUS FUCKIN CHRIST!!!! 
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499311 - 04/10/06 10:04 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Did you think about my post?
What would you do. Can you even imagine that your mexican? Or is that to out of the bounds of reality. Illegal alien is taking to much of that other conontation in your mind.
Were all people, and we have to learn to love, and help eachother.
Wait till America falls, (and it will) bet i'll see your ass sneaking across the Canadian Border.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
#5499316 - 04/10/06 10:06 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Undocumented workers what a bunch of political correct bullshit. What happened to calling things what they are. Illegal Immigrants nothing wrong with the term. Send em back. The reason why we are fucked now is because we waited to long to act and now theres so many of em here they now have a voice just like the cubans.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499329 - 04/10/06 10:13 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Living in California, I KNOW that I have much more of an unbiased opinion about illegal immigrants. It really urks me knowing that we are becoming overpopulated with illegals that shouldn't be in this country when there are COUNTLESS amounts of families and individuals on the dreaded "waiting list" to get the hell out of their Nazi-like regime of a country, to get into this wonderful chuck of land.
But think about it, if we were to kick them out....who would pick the vegetables and basic agriculture jobs for such little money that is paid under the table?
You could say that many Americans would love to spend the day out in the California heat enjoying the sunburn while picking their hands dry til they crack and bleed over a fucking vegetable. Not going to happen.
If they were maid legal, that would duh duh duhhhhh, make them eligible for minimum wage, which they would take in a SECOND. Who blames them? I would love to get 6.75 over 2.00 any day. With the cost of minimum wage increased, how are these poor ol land owners going to make revenue again? Oh, I have an idea. Lets just jack the prices up and fuck the consumer.
I think things are great just like they are. I would only wish that border security is tighter. It's lax as hell. Just the other day, a truck on the freeway flew off the road because the driver was sleeping at the wheel. And guess who were in the back of the truck, with a camper shell of course.....Illegals! How the fuck did they get through.
I swear to god, my friends who bring over prescriptions from Mexico are more susceptible to a search than a car full of illegals.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Dreamer987]
#5499332 - 04/10/06 10:16 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Did you think about my post?
What would you do.
First, and foremost, I would try to change my homeland for the better. If that failed, I would apply for a worker's visa and assimilate.
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Can you even imagine that your mexican? Or is that to out of the bounds of reality.
Imagining something has nothing to do with the boundaries of reality. I can imagine anything.
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Were all people, and we have to learn to love, and help eachother.
I help my countrymen before foreign criminals.
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Wait till America falls, (and it will) bet i'll see your ass sneaking across the Canadian Border.
Fuck Canada, too French for me. I'll die in the battle when America falls.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Chazzersize]
#5499340 - 04/10/06 10:23 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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But think about it, if we were to kick them out....who would pick the vegetables and basic agriculture jobs for such little money that is paid under the table?
Whoever wanted work.
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You could say that many Americans would love to spend the day out in the California heat enjoying the sunburn while picking their hands dry til they crack and bleed over a fucking vegetable. Not going to happen.
Then no vegetables
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If they were maid legal, that would duh duh duhhhhh, make them eligible for minimum wage, which they would take in a SECOND. Who blames them? I would love to get 6.75 over 2.00 any day.
Shamefully, minimum wage isn't even $6.75
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With the cost of minimum wage increased, how are these poor ol land owners going to make revenue again? Oh, I have an idea. Lets just jack the prices up and fuck the consumer.
Fuck the consumers. Grow your own vegetables.
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Undocumented workers what a bunch of political correct bullshit. What happened to calling things what they are. Illegal Immigrants nothing wrong with the term. Send em back. The reason why we are fucked now is because we waited to long to act and now theres so many of em here they now have a voice just like the cubans.
Preach.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499350 - 04/10/06 10:27 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Minimum wage in California is infact, 6.75.
Grow my own vegetables? What a GREAT idea. Let me just turn my lawn into a gard....oh wait. No lawn. Maybe I could just plant some in a pot...shit. No room since I have no patio. Oh, I could turn my roof into a greenhouse by building a little room up there.
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1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
This coming from the guy who grew pot ILLEGALLY and sold it for your own personal gain?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
#5499357 - 04/10/06 10:28 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said:
Maybe if the U.S. wasnt one big coorporation, your minimum wage would be up.
The U.S. is not one big corporation.
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Blaming it on people who dont complain about how little they get paid, compared the scraps of lint they make on the other side of the border, is just stupid.
It's not stupid. They are part of the reason. Bringing up what they might make had they stayed in their country has no bearing on this discussion. Trying to stir emotions in order to garner compassion for these criminals is lame.
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and reason?? U think america uses REASON!!?!?!?!
I was talking about you, not America. YOU should use reason!!!one!
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499358 - 04/10/06 10:29 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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We need a huge wall and military instalations all across the mexican border to help fill the holes that our border guards miss.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499360 - 04/10/06 10:29 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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What do you mean preach?? Im not preaching its true. Now that there are demonstrations in a bunch of major cities with almost a million expected to turn out you don't think they have a voice? I mean that kind of attendance is more then we can say about May day marijauna marches. We are so fucked Bush isn't going to do a damn thing to help the situation.
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Preach = keep telling the truth, I agree with you.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499378 - 04/10/06 10:36 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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You know I actually voted for Bush last election. Ive been pretty dissapointed with his performance but I don't think the alternative would have turned out much better though. I would have at least expected him to step up and do something to secure the border though especially with all the terrorism scares to use as an excuse to secure it.
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Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499386 - 04/10/06 10:39 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey man, these people have gotten nothing but shit all their lives, and they just cant come across the border legally. they pay their lifes savings to be taken across so they can work and send the money back to their remaining family members in mexico. you ever been to a bad part of mexico man, cause if you did youdnever post this. lifes not as easy as youve got it everywhere, not everyone can hop on a computer and complain that their lack of success in life is due to poor people doing the dirty work youre too stuck up to do.
id hope that if us citizens had the right to deport people of our choice, youd be gone in a minute.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: gogrowgo123]
#5499395 - 04/10/06 10:41 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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if you love america so much youd love what its supposed to stand for: freedom for everyone
you want it for yourself
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499416 - 04/10/06 10:50 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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to say they're criminals is correct. HOWEVER, according to this country's laws, so are we because mostly everyone here on the shroomery breaks the law by using recreational drugs.
but i agree, illegal aliens should not be able to work in the U.S. granted, conditions in mexico suck. but check this out: Mexico has it's own illegal immigrant problem. all the countries south of mexico are in even shittier shape, so they get the same problems we do. what does the Mexican government do? no questions asked, illegals are deported immediatly. period.
so if the shoe was on the other foot, i would be a mexican and the mexicans would run this country. we wouldnt even have the opportunity they already have. the mexican people dont give a shit about americans. i know DAMN well they wouldnt help us if we needed it. so why the fuck do i have to pay for Paco's 18 children? while it is helpful to switch perspectives in an argument sometimes, you have to remember to think about what the other person would do if things were swapped for them.
i know one thing's for sure... i wouldn't move to another country to set up shop and fuckin put out as many welfare kids as possible. ive got way too much self respect for that. i wont live off of other people's charity, which is essentially what they're doing, only the charity is being forced upon us.
and fuck, LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE. i dont care where people come from, this is a problem with all aliens. the reading/writing requirements need to be reformed so that people who can actually communicate can get here. its absolutely rediculous that people just expect everything to be handed to them and expect everyone in america to change just because they're here. fuck that. existance does not equal importance. you've got to earn things here, nobody ever gave me free shit. oh wait, im a white male, that means i automatically have it "better" than everyone else. nevermind.
and if something isn't done about this, do you think it's going to stop? hell no, it's just going to get worse and worse. when everyone sees that America has become too scared to do anything these days, they'll be across the border in a heartbeat. whats to stop them? we're practically sending invitations.
the fact is illegal aliens put a strain on the economy, legal ones do not. so either come in legally, or don't come at all. it's not racism, some people just don't want to face the fact that life is hard. deal with it. not everyone is going to be happy all the time.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: PurpleKush]
#5499472 - 04/10/06 11:11 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Let them, but deny them social services (health care, education etc.) why? because they don't pay taxes and don't directly contribute these service. Other than that, let them stay.
They are not "taking" anybodys job. If you are outcompeted for work by a Mexican with no formal training or skill set then your labor isn't worth that much anyway.
Also, they work cheaper which makes our products cheaper. Who else is going to mow my lawn for $30 a month?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499505 - 04/10/06 11:26 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why should being born in a particular country give you greater rights than someone born somewhere else? Do you feel that being born on the correct side of an imaginary line was some kind of achievement?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5499526 - 04/10/06 11:35 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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AMERICA, FUCK YEAH
I like the illegals but I'd rather they be legal...
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499577 - 04/10/06 11:55 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499584 - 04/10/06 11:57 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Any illegal immigrant should be sent back to their home state. Sneaking over the border is a metaphorical spitting on all the people who go through the correct venues to immigrate here.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: gogrowgo123]
#5499588 - 04/10/06 11:58 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey man, these people have gotten nothing but shit all their lives,
Not my problem, and should be of no concern to my country. Let them fix their own country instead of running from a problem like some little kid.
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and they just cant come across the border legally.
Yes they can.
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id hope that if us citizens had the right to deport people of our choice, youd be gone in a minute.
And I'd deport you 
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: gogrowgo123]
#5499590 - 04/10/06 11:59 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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if you love america so much youd love what its supposed to stand for: freedom for everyone
All citizens. Fuck the rest of the world.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499594 - 04/10/06 12:00 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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daimyo said:
1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
Pot smokers are criminals too. Should they be treated as such?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: PurpleKush]
#5499601 - 04/10/06 12:02 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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to say they're criminals is correct. HOWEVER, according to this country's laws, so are we because mostly everyone here on the shroomery breaks the law by using recreational drugs.
And all are aware of the possible consequences.
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and fuck, LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE. i dont care where people come from, this is a problem with all aliens. the reading/writing requirements need to be reformed so that people who can actually communicate can get here. its absolutely rediculous that people just expect everything to be handed to them and expect everyone in america to change just because they're here. fuck that. existance does not equal importance. you've got to earn things here, nobody ever gave me free shit. oh wait, im a white male, that means i automatically have it "better" than everyone else. nevermind.
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the fact is illegal aliens put a strain on the economy, legal ones do not. so either come in legally, or don't come at all. it's not racism, some people just don't want to face the fact that life is hard. deal with it. not everyone is going to be happy all the time.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
#5499630 - 04/10/06 12:09 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
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daimyo said:
1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
Pot smokers are criminals too. Should they be treated as such?
If they are caught breaking the law, they deserve what they get.
I don't agree with the law, but I don't care enough to try and change it either.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: OJK]
#5499639 - 04/10/06 12:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Odiumjunkie said:
Why should being born in a particular country give you greater rights than someone born somewhere else?
While I believe there should be some universal rights, I do not believe that all privliges should be.
Come here legally and you will have equal status.
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Do you feel that being born on the correct side of an imaginary line was some kind of achievement?
No. And, the lines are not imaginary.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499645 - 04/10/06 12:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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daimyo said:
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Paradigm said:
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daimyo said:
1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
Pot smokers are criminals too. Should they be treated as such?
If they are caught breaking the law, they deserve what they get.
I don't agree with the law, but I don't care enough to try and change it either.
So if there was a law against being Jewish, you would support treating the Jews as criminals?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
#5499647 - 04/10/06 12:13 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes.
This isn't about pot smokers or Jews though.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499650 - 04/10/06 12:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes.
This isn't about pot smokers or Jews though.
No, it's about the flawed moral philosophy of strict legalism.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
#5499717 - 04/10/06 12:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay heres what I see so far today. By them standing up in the streets showing their numbers saying yeah we are here yeah were here illegally and your government won't do anything about it is a very powerful message. It is showing how futile all our weak attempts at controlling this problem really is. We as Americans need to stand up and fight for our country. We really need to be using today as an opportunity to round them all up like cattle in a heard and deport them but we are just sitting around with our thumbs up our butts.
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+5 for you, if I haven't done so already. Check all those protesters status and get rid of, or lock up, the illegals.
We're gonna be like France soon. Every time some group feels they're wronged, there will be riots and general stupidity.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
#5499758 - 04/10/06 12:35 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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daimyo.. your full of shit. You were born right where you stand and probably never had to work hard for shit. And dont give anybody here this excuse that you are a working citizen and pay your taxes, and that you bust your ass all day. Its not true, you are here posting stupid shit most of the time.
You have never lived in a ghetto. You have never been to Mexico. You havent seen how some people have to live there. And even if you have you were at a 5 start hotel in Nuevo Vallarta.
The bottom line is nobody has a choice as to what land they were born on. If i was born in an average Mexican town I would have the balls to get across the border and start making some money for my family. You on the other would stay there and fuckin die because you would have no balls to do anything about your shitty situation. With so many people trying to get into America legally, do u actually fuckin think most of these people would ever even have a chance to get in?
You are ignorant. Just go ahead lay back on your nice computer chair and smoke some fuckin pot, and complain about the people who produce your vegetables and build your house frames, and will still never afford what you have infront of you.
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We as Americans need to stand up and fight for our country.
Unfortunately american business wants cheap labour. And until it can find a way to make americans work for a buck fifty an hour (and don't worry, it will) it will keep hiring illegals. That's the free market in action.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
#5499768 - 04/10/06 12:39 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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daimyo.. your full of shit. You were born right where you stand and probably never had to work hard for shit. And dont give anybody here this excuse that you are a working citizen and pay your taxes, and that you bust your ass all day. Its not true, you are here posting stupid shit most of the time.
You have never lived in a ghetto. You have never been to Mexico. You havent seen how some people have to live there. And even if you have you were at a 5 start hotel in Nuevo Vallarta.
Don't make assumptions about people you do not know.
I have busted my ass harder than you can imagine for a miniscule amount of money, yet I am for the deportation of all illegal immigrants.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Redstorm]
#5499771 - 04/10/06 12:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have busted my ass harder than you can imagine for a miniscule amount of money, yet I am for the deportation of all illegal immigrants.
Then you need to start a business and start hiring illegal immigrants. You'll make a fortune.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499776 - 04/10/06 12:42 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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You didn't answer the spirit of my question. Why should you have to right to work in one of the world's richest countries just because you were born there? People become illegal immigrants because they haven't got a hope in hell of being accepted as legal immigrants.
Immigration applications are accepted based on the perceived worth of the individual. Citizenship given to people born in a country is given on an entirely indiscriminate basis.
So, why should people born in a country get automatic citizenship? Illegal immigrant have just as much right to work in a country as people born there. Hell, they've probably got more of a right, seeing as they went through the effort of moving to a different country.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
#5499785 - 04/10/06 12:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well what do you suggest then? We just let everyone in that wants to come here in just so they can make money of our economy only to send it out of the country therefore out of our econonmy? Going at that rate all the countrys of the world will soon end up like Mexico. It's harsh I know life sucks for mexicans in Mexico but its not our problem its theirs. Thats just life. Life sucks for some people in some places and not for others in other places. Thats just the way it is.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
#5499786 - 04/10/06 12:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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When you get all pissy, and start cursing and making assumptions about character, it degrades the content of your post considerably. Now, on with it...
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daimyo.. your full of shit. You were born right where you stand
I was born in a hospital, and I am not standing there. You are wrong.
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and probably never had to work hard for shit.
Hard is relative. I've made my way, and that's all that matters. Don't hate me because of that.
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And dont give anybody here this excuse that you are a working citizen and pay your taxes, and that you bust your ass all day. Its not true, you are here posting stupid shit most of the time.
I never once claimed to be a hard working, tax paying citizen.
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You have never lived in a ghetto. You have never been to Mexico. You havent seen how some people have to live there.
You are pretty damn sure of yourself for having never met me. What's that they say about assumptions?
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And even if you have you were at a 5 start hotel in Nuevo Vallarta.
So, I've never been there, but I might have been? You're coming apart at the seams.
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The bottom line is nobody has a choice as to what land they were born on. If i was born in an average Mexican town I would have the balls to get across the border and start making some money for my family. You on the other would stay there and fuckin die because you would have no balls to do anything about your shitty situation.
Are you done assaulting my character? Have you stroked your ego enough?
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With so many people trying to get into America legally, do u actually fuckin think most of these people would ever even have a chance to get in?
I don't give a fuck if they get in or not. If there's no more room for people to come in legally, then they DO NOT have the right to come here illegally.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
#5499795 - 04/10/06 12:47 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Paradigm writes:
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No, it's about the flawed moral philosophy of strict legalism.
So you reject the idea of legal vs illegal immigration? Anyone should be allowed to move to any country at any time for any reason?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: OJK]
#5499808 - 04/10/06 12:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Odiumjunkie said:
You didn't answer the spirit of my question.
My apologies.
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Why should you have to right to work in one of the world's richest countries just because you were born there?
Because I was born here, and that's how it works. We will not be one of the richest countries for long, and I don't particularly care to share what we have left.
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People become illegal immigrants because they haven't got a hope in hell of being accepted as legal immigrants.
They can band together, all 10 million+, and make their country better. Overthrow the government there and fix shit. No need to break our laws.
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So, why should people born in a country get automatic citizenship?
I don't necissarily agree that they should. There are many citizens that are not worth the couch they park their fat asses on that I would love to see deported.
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Illegal immigrant have just as much right to work in a country as people born there. Hell, they've probably got more of a right, seeing as they went through the effort of moving to a different country.
Let them move to somewhere other than America then.
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Well what do you suggest then? We just let everyone in that wants to come here in just so they can make money of our economy only to send it out of the country therefore out of our econonmy?
You misunderstand. Business will make a fortune from hiring cheap labour. The average american won't see any money, in fact his wages will be kept low. But businessmen will be richer than they ever dreamed possible.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Alex213]
#5499841 - 04/10/06 01:04 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dude we don't give a fuck about making the rich richer here on the shroomery for the most part we are working class people. Send them back!
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
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gotta support daimyo on this one. he's right.
although personally, I am far more bothered by the political power of mexican immigrants than the illegal workers.
imagine if all these ignorant masses got citizenship and started voting in the same kind of crooked politicians that fucked up mexico.... ugh, and they'd probably elect the Pope president...
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Phred]
#5499857 - 04/10/06 01:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Paradigm writes:
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No, it's about the flawed moral philosophy of strict legalism.
So you reject the idea of legal vs illegal immigration? Anyone should be allowed to move to any country at any time for any reason?
Not necessarily. I'm saying that to hate on illegal immigrants because they are "criminals" is no different than hating on pot smokers for the same reason. The law is not the ultimate measure of right and wrong.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DoctorJ]
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The political power is already showing. Both parties know that the Mexican population is on the rise, and they both want to capture those votes this year, and in 2008. It's a damn shame that they put getting votes above doing what's good for the country.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
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yeah, I also think that people who live in a crappy vountry should try to fix it instead of totally bailing to go somewhere better. If they actually cared about Mexico, then they wouldn't be waving the Mexican flag in America. Just the fact that these people ditched out on a tough situation shows what kind of character they have.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DoctorJ]
#5500393 - 04/10/06 04:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Same as the Americans that want to move to Canada or Europe because they don't like Bush. Losers that will never make it in life because they run from hard times.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
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Awwwwwwwwwww. Let me shed some light on the irony of this whooole thing...
Just in case some of you are so narrow minded and dont know---- The eskimos wandered from over china/russia to alaska via the bearing straight (A loooong time ago, Russia and USA used to be connected by ice.) The eskimos wandered down to the US and separated into tribes, then on down to south america. (me whispering)..SO this makes the mexicans and hispanics decendants of the indians......
Now, whooooo? Sailed over and stole the land from the native americans???
Wait! (You cant even call Indians native americans-or even Indians!... -WHY? BECAUSE AMERICA WASNT CALLED AMERICA UNTIL THE WHITE GUYS CAME OVER AND NAMED THE LAND AMERICA. The white guys thought they were in INDIA but were not! Is this NOT a true statement??? (remember, my wife is 100% registered ...ahem, Native American).
So, now, maaaaany years later, the decendants of the Natives who got their homes taken away, were beaten and fucked up decided they want to come over and take back the place. Look at it this way.... War is more than the act of killing and taking. War can be conducted peacefully (it takes longer this way).
1. Violent war... when whites came over, killed up the indians and took the land.
2. Peaceful war... Mexicans/hispanics coming over here illegally, having as many kids as they can, and taking over parts of large cities.
They are already winning the war!
(But Moe, prove it) OK! go to an ATM and see! Here in atlanta we have to select a spanish or english menu before we can get our money!
On the phone.. to select english, press one.... Presse numreo dos para espaniol.
Whiteys and everyone non hispanic.... GO ORDER THE ROSSETTA STONE PROGRAM AND LEARN SPANISH!
If ILLEGAL immigrants can organize protest marches and NOT get busted by the INS...... JESUS, paint me mexican, it's better than being black! 
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DoctorJ]
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gotta support daimyo on this one. he's right.
although personally, I am far more bothered by the political power of mexican immigrants than the illegal workers.
imagine if all these ignorant masses got citizenship and started voting in the same kind of crooked politicians that fucked up mexico.... ugh, and they'd probably elect the Pope president...
Thats a very good point, and is why I dont like it when I see immigration marches with the mexican flag bieng waved. If they move here with the mexican mindset, then they will make america more like mexico. They need the american mindset. They need to be hispanic americans, not mexican americans.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
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Same as the Americans that want to move to Canada or Europe because they don't like Bush. Losers that will never make it in life because they run from hard times.
Honestly, how much influence can a poor, uneducated Mexican have on their government? It's hard enough for me to make a difference, even though I'm a college-educated white American.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DieCommie]
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I dont like it when I see immigration marches with the mexican flag bieng waved. If they move here with the mexican mindset, then they will make america more like mexico. They need the american mindset. They need to be hispanic americans, not mexican americans.
How do you think their desencants, the indians felt when the US postman used to ride thru their land with with US flag?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DieCommie]
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Someone was handing out American flags at the protests today. I'm glad someone realized how bad it makes them look.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
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It's not just one, there's between 10 and 12 million. And that's just the ones that are here illegaly. There's plenty more back home that can assist if that's not enough.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
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the illegals are marching and not getting busted by the INS.....they won man!!!!
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I'm sure they felt defeated and humiliated. They lost that war, that's the past.
As you say, we are now fighting this war. As an American, I am in it to win it. Bring the troops back home and seal up the borders.
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I agree. They have certainly won this battle, but I don't think we should give up the war. If it was up to me, they would've been rounded up at the marches and deported. Just shows the weakness of the current administration.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DoctorJ]
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Dreamer987 said
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" Imagine if you were born in a shithole country like mexico. Work hard 18 hours a day. Never enouph money to feed your family. Your catholic, so you have a huge family. (not that you could afford condoms anyway)
Wouldn't you do whatever you could, to make a better life for your children?
Before you go around declaring people criminal and whatnot, try to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.
I could VERY easily be a Mexican right now, if lines had been drawn differently on a map, last time they were fighting for this territory."
There are 6 billion people in this world. The above description probably applies to at least 4 billion of them (except for the last part and the Catholic part. Let the fucking vatican take them). Should we open our borders to all 4 billion? Of course not. Should we open them to some of them? Of course. And we always have. I think that we can now move on from any asinine assertion that anybody who wants in should be allowed.
That having been established, there has been a lot of chatter that the establishment of "arbitrary" (That really doesn't merit an argument. World without borders is a fairy tale) boundaries to determine who will thrive and who will suffer is unfair. Most of this focuses on Mexicans. The hypocrisy here is that the Mexicans dominate the argument because they have the good fortune to have been born close to an unguarded border. We have the good fortune to have been born here. They have the good fortune to have been born near here. Should they receive preferential treatment over, say, Ethiopians based on their geographical nativity? How is that less geographical chauvinism than having a national border?
Then we can also consider how much damage is being done to Mexico since they have no incentive to fix their own mess. Their leaders actively assist them in leaving. THEY ARE ENCOURAGING THEIR MOST AMBITIOUS PEOPLE TO LEAVE. What do you think that leaves them with? An ever increasing downward spiral. Their leaders are incredibly venal and corrupt and have no incentive to change. Apparently there is a Hugo Chavez nut case doing quite well in the polling to replace Vincente the "Coyote". I wonder if he'll keep handing out tips on how to avoid La Migre.
Finally, I will take on the notion of competition. I think competition is good. I like competition and I think everybody should have to justify their paycheck. Provided we all play on the same field. But the field is not level. Everybody gets screwed by illegal immigration. Legal immigrants get screwed because they wasted all that time on the process and directly compete with the illegals for the same jobs. The legal immigrants are at a competitive disadvantage because they had to pay to get what the illegals are stealing. Companies that won't hire illegals are at a competitive disadvantage because companies that do get cheaper workers. Why should a construction company run by someone who speaks Polish or Spanish and hires illegals have an advantage over one that doesn't and won't? They shouldn't. It's true that the language is a fair advantage but the willingness to break the law is not. They should be punished until it is no longer profitable to do so. And then punished some more.
What about the competition between illegals and indigenous workers? The idiot McCain just went on record as offering $50 an hour to anyone who'll pick lettuce in Yuma for the whole season. Hey stupid, nobody wanted to work on the Alaska pipeline. Until the wages went high enough. Then there was enough. Illegal immigrants depress wages. There is no question about it. Further, they have a competitive advantage. For every dollar an employer pays someone on the books the employer must pay, not deduct but pay, 7.5% soc sec and medicare, some unemployment, and small disability. There is also the cost of preparing and filing this shit. Then we get to the real biggie. Compensation insurance. In NY, comp is 15% of gross payroll for carpenters in residential construction. For roofing, it's almost 50%. Landscaping and general laborers is high as well. Do you know how much companies that hire illegals pay for this? Come on, you can guess. That's right NOTHING. Thus we have seen that if an illegal is willing to work for $100 a day he will only cost the employer that $100 plus what he has to pay in income taxes on the expense that he can't deduct. Call it, if he's reasonably successful, $140. Plus, the employer gets that added to his soc sec fund (yeah yippee). Nowhere near what it would cost him to pay the guy on the books. And anybody who thinks that these people file tax returns and pay their taxes is a complete and utter moron. Let's see, I'm an illegal living here with no soc sec # and I'm sending back money to Poland for my wife. I'm going to pay my 15% self employment tax plus any income tax to the state or the feds. Only people currently eating shrooms would think that's a remote possibility. Everybody who even hints that illegal immigrants pay their taxes is an idiot who thinks we're as stupid as them. It is a flagrant lie.
Now, what to do what to do. The border must be closed. First, stop the bleeding. If you don't do that nothing else matters. Two things must be done.
#1 Fence. That's it. A big fence to Mexico. This won't stop illegals because we have a huge border with Canada and every airport is a border but it is the site where the worst bleeding is occurring. Staunch the worst wound first.
#2 National ID card. Tamper proof. Don't lose it.
#3 Illegals here. OUT. Back taxes plus a fine? Unenforcable. Go to the back of the line
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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> #2 National ID card. Tamper proof. Don't lose it.
Most/many fake IDs are not gotten by tampering, but rather by bribing somebody that makes the IDs into providing the material, or ID itself. Although I don't have sources for this claim, I have seen the general trend several times in various news media. A standardized ID system is perhaps a step in the right direction, but I don't know that it should be thought of as a dependable part of a solution. Are we really ready to give up our right to be "free" so easily? I shudder at the thought of a "show me your papers" society; and I can only imagine that a federalized ID system would lead to this very thing.
> #3 Illegals here. OUT. Back taxes plus a fine? Unenforcable. Go to the back of the line
I actually take a harder line on this than you. Screw back taxes and a fine. Bye bye. Make it easier for the people that are legally trying to get into the country to get through the system and ban the illegals that are caught here for life... let their employers here that illegally hired them to pay the back taxes and fines. I have no problem at all with lawful immigration, and no sympathy at all for illegal aliens or the people that hide or employ them.
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Moe Howard said:
I dont like it when I see immigration marches with the mexican flag being waved. If they move here with the mexican mindset, then they will make america more like mexico. They need the american mindset. They need to be hispanic americans, not mexican americans.
How do you think their desencants, the indians felt when the US postman used to ride thru their land with with US flag?
You mean mexicans are the descendants of indians? Most mexicans are of Spanish descent, just as most americans are of english descent.
But how did that indian feel seeing the american flag? Probably exactly the same as I feel seeing the Mexican flag. And what became of that indians culture and way of life? Its is completely gone, displaced. Sounds like you want history to repeat it self. I say lets learn from the past. Now the mexicans may destroy and displace our way of life. The difference is many hispanics dont want the mexican way, and do want the american way. Those hispanics have my support.
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I haven't seen you post in two years.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: RandalFlagg]
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daimyo.. sorry about the assumptions I made about you.
But I just realized, after reading your many posts, that they are most likely 100% true.
You're useless. 
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
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Thank you for your contribution.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
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whoa i didnt think ud be online... whats up man?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
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Care to add anything valuable to the thread?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Redstorm]
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do you?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
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It seems obvious certian regulars on this forum were never part of the Debate Team during High School.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
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If you would have read the thread instead of thinking of more personal attacks to aim at Daimyo, you would have seen that I already did.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Redstorm]
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If you would have read the thread instead of thinking of more personal attacks to aim at Daimyo, you would have seen that I already did.
i think you need to stop riding daimyo's cock. 
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
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PA&L isn't a place for casual conversation. This is where some of the thinkers gather to iron out, and express, their political and social views.
You have contributed nothing of any value to this thread. You've cried racism, tried to appeal to readers through emotion, and made personal attacks/flames. That is it. The three weakest things a person can bring to the table, and you brought them all.
After your first set of posts(crying racism, and flaming me) you left. That was once. Then you did it again, and now you're back for a third round.
I am going to ask you to refrain from posting in this thread unless you have anything worthwhile to add. If you chose to ignore this I will have to bring this harrasment to the attention of the administrators.
If you want a flamefest, swing by OTD.
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It seems obvious certian regulars on this forum were never part of the Debate Team during High School.
Well it doesnt take a genius to figure that out. Who the fuck joins debate teams in high school.
Daimyo doesnt like Mexicans anybody that CANT SEE THAT IS A FUCKIN RETARD!!!! Just read the mans original post.
fuck.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
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Ginseng1 said:
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Redstorm said:
If you would have read the thread instead of thinking of more personal attacks to aim at Daimyo, you would have seen that I already did.
i think you need to stop riding daimyo's cock.
I'll just wait until a mod sees this so you have get your first official warning.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
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After your first set of posts(crying racism, and flaming me) you left. That was once. Then you did it again, and now you're back for a third round.
I dont know what you are talking about. I was here ealier (once) and I am here now. That makes this the second round. Right now you have lost all your credibility.
Quote:
I am going to ask you to refrain from posting in this thread unless you have anything worthwhile to add. If you chose to ignore this I will have to bring this harrasment to the attention of the administrators.
I have three things to say to this...
1. Fuck you
2. Fuck you
3. Fuck you.
Now go "tell" on me.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
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I dont know what you are talking about. I was here ealier (once) and I am here now. That makes this the second round. Right now you have lost all your credibility.
We had an exchange starting at 11:27AM EST, and ending at 11:59AM EST. You then came back to tell me how I am "full of shit" at 2:35PM EST(2.5 hours later). And now, we have this exchange starting at 1:46AM EST. That's 3. My credibility remains, and if you had ANY it would have just bottomed out.
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Ginseng1 said:
I have three things to say to this...
1. Fuck you
2. Fuck you
3. Fuck you.
Now go "tell" on me.
Done.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
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I want to add one more thing.
I never cried racism. You keep saying that I am "crying" racism. No, thats what you assume I am doing, because you KNOW you are.
All I did was point out the distasteful manner in which you put forth your arguements. You are the one who took it as far as even to use the word "racist". Once you did that, right awat I knew it was true.
Thats like an overweight person saying "Hey you called me a FATASS!", when all the other person said was, "man, you gotta chill on them cheetos".
N'am sayin? Peace be with you.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
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daimyo said:
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Ginseng1 said:
I dont know what you are talking about. I was here ealier (once) and I am here now. That makes this the second round. Right now you have lost all your credibility.
We had an exchange starting at 11:27AM EST, and ending at 11:59AM EST. You then came back to tell me how I am "full of shit" at 2:35PM EST(2.5 hours later). And now, we have this exchange starting at 1:46AM EST. That's 3. My credibility remains, and if you had ANY it would have just bottomed out.
Damn... you've definately had alot of practice.
For that I give you daps
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
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Ginseng1 said:
I have three things to say to this...
1. Fuck you
2. Fuck you
3. Fuck you.
Now go "tell" on me.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
#5502508 - 04/11/06 06:39 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Flaming is not permitted in this forum, as is clearly described in the forum rules sticky post at the top of the first page of the forum. Banned from the forum for 24 hours.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5502560 - 04/11/06 07:08 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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daimyo said:
1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
2. If they go, America will not fall to bits. Contrary to what some of these asshole talking heads might tell you, Americans will do the jobs they are stealing. So far today I've seen two roofing crews, and a landscaping crew, compromised of legal citizens. These are the jobs that "nobody else will do"
3. Illegal immigrants are part of the reason wages are stagnant. They work for less, so companies don't have to pay a reasonable wage.
4. Any company that hires an illegal immigrant should be fined 2% of their annual earnings per head for the first 3, and 5% per head for each thereafter.
5. Protesting in the streets, waving Mexican flags is despicable. You came to America to steal money, but that wasn't enough. Now you have to march and disrespect the opportunities afforded to you by blatantly displaying your aversion to assimilation.
In closing,
spot on.
it's so retarded listening to these people cry..."my father was
here for 30 years and they deported him so he can't be with his
family anymore"
you're telling me that over a 30 year period, he couldn't get his
fucking papers? couldn't get an employer to sponsor him?
then he deserves to be sent back and your animosity should be
placed with your irresponsible father and not the system that is
in place to help people like him.
furthermore, the people in these crowds...how many have managed
to pick up the language? how many know the pledge, can name the
guy who chopped down the cherry tree or even the current Sec. of
state?!
what a farce.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Phred]
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> Banned from the forum for 24 hours.
Much nicer than I would have been...
Getting back on subject... sort of... other than the obvious risk of riots, has nobody else thought that all these rallies by illegal immigrants for illegal immigrants would be a great place for INS to find illegal immigrants to deport?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Seuss]
#5502582 - 04/11/06 07:20 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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ding ding ding
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Seuss]
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I am absolutely dumbfounded that there hasn't been any such program. My only guess is that they fear them too much. If you sent 100 agents out to check on 100,000+ people, a beat down will almost surely ensue. For any chance of success you'd need a militarized checkpoint IMO.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5503200 - 04/11/06 11:51 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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that's a PR nightmare, brother.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
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I am absolutely dumbfounded that there hasn't been any such program. My only guess is that they fear them too much. If you sent 100 agents out to check on 100,000+ people, a beat down will almost surely ensue. For any chance of success you'd need a militarized checkpoint IMO.
That wouldn't be a problem, they never fight. They just run like cockroaches when the lights are turned on. There is always that one pesky one though. See evidence below.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8153017803097542793
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: afoaf]
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that's a PR nightmare, brother.
Exactly, the media would have a field day. All they would need is one good shot of INS detaining protestors and BOOM instant scandal.
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shit yeah there are too many illegals, but what needs to be done is make it easier to get in legally and MUCH harder to get in illegally.
this way only the american loving ones will come in and the ones that want to reap the benefits cannot. hteres no way we can help everyone who needs aid, but why the hell not help those who can scratch our backs while we scratch theirs.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: afoaf]
#5503418 - 04/11/06 12:47 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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afoaf said:
furthermore, the people in these crowds...how many have managed
to pick up the language? how many know the pledge, can name the
guy who chopped down the cherry tree or even the current Sec. of
state?!
what a farce.
Yeah but you could ask the same questions for most American born students coming out of the public school system
I'm with people that we need to start enforcing our laws about immigration and legal citizenry, but all this sentiment about how Mexicans should "integrate" is stupid. Why shouldn't they wave their flags and celebrate their heritage? Why shouldn't they converse in spanish? Why shouldn't they eat tortillas? Sure illegals who come across the border to make money and then high tail it back to Mexico are a strain on the economy and we need to control that, but that doesn't mean that an active Mexican American culture made up of legal immigrants is a strain on America in general.
This is America, dammit, we're chock full of people from the whole world. That's kind of what its all about... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
As long as they love lady liberty and come here according to our laws they should be welcome. The poem says nothing about "must speak english"
Stop trying to get everyone to be just like you.
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in my town, the reason kids come out of the school system
so poorly prepared is due in great part to the great toll
that illegal immigrants have placed on the system, both in
terms of services rendered and additional load as a result
of their inability to communicate in english, both parents
and children.
I don't believe anyone has stated that they should not still
celebrate their roots, language and heritage, but it's expected
that immigrants to america learn the nation's language so
that they can become a productive member of society instead
of creating these protectionist enclaves within the nation
that foment these broad support networks that help perpetuate
the fraud and theft from the coffers you and I pay in to.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: d33p]
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That wouldn't be a problem, they never fight. They just run like cockroaches when the lights are turned on. There is always that one pesky one though. See evidence below.
No need to be mean about it. I have nothing at all against legal immigrants that want a better life. I also don't fault the illegal aliens for wanting a better life, but I do fault them for not waiting their turn. If we didn't have so many illegal aliens we could make a whole lot more room for legal ones.
What really gets me are the people that want to coddle the illegals that are already here?!! One, if they aren't here, then they aren't illegal now are they? Two, when is the last time you heard a judge say, "Well John, since you are already addicted to narcotics, I'm gonna go ahead and let you off for these drug charges. Be sure to tell your friends that narcotics are bad or the same thing will happen to them."
> but all this sentiment about how Mexicans should "integrate" is stupid
I disagree, but only partly. I don't think that immigrants should give up their heratige. I have no problem with them celebrating the culture from where they came. However, I do have a problem when they start pushing their culture down my throat. Take a nice stroll through the Miami airport and you will see what I mean. Notice the signs in spanish, but not in english? Notice the annoucements in spanish, but not in english? Notice the people working that only speak spanish, not english? It is a US airport, not a Cuban airport... But it doesn't end here... we start to create schools that have to teach in multiple languages because some lawmaker wanted to earn a few extra votes.
I guess I find it a bit of a slap in the face when somebody wants to come to America, to share in the American dream, but refuses to embrace the American cluture. They don't have to give up their own culture. I'm not asking for 100% dedication to Amerika, only for a little respect... small things, like learning the language.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: afoaf]
#5507811 - 04/12/06 11:49 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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creating these protectionist enclaves within the nation
that foment these broad support networks that help perpetuate
the fraud and theft from the coffers you and I pay in to.
What fraud and theft is created by non-English speakers?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5518285 - 04/15/06 08:45 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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daimyo said:
1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
2. If they go, America will not fall to bits. Contrary to what some of these asshole talking heads might tell you, Americans will do the jobs they are stealing. So far today I've seen two roofing crews, and a landscaping crew, compromised of legal citizens. These are the jobs that "nobody else will do"
3. Illegal immigrants are part of the reason wages are stagnant. They work for less, so companies don't have to pay a reasonable wage.
4. Any company that hires an illegal immigrant should be fined 2% of their annual earnings per head for the first 3, and 5% per head for each thereafter.
5. Protesting in the streets, waving Mexican flags is despicable. You came to America to steal money, but that wasn't enough. Now you have to march and disrespect the opportunities afforded to you by blatantly displaying your aversion to assimilation.
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personally i hope the illegal stay in America... only because they work for cheap and Im in contruction management and that only means MORE MONEY FOR ME.... VIVOS LOS MEXICANOS
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: AliceDee]
#5724485 - 06/07/06 09:00 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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the wages are only stagnant if you WANT TO DO THEIR JOB!!! who the fuck wants to do that much labor?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5725495 - 06/08/06 01:20 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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daimyo said:
1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
2. If they go, America will not fall to bits. Contrary to what some of these asshole talking heads might tell you, Americans will do the jobs they are stealing. So far today I've seen two roofing crews, and a landscaping crew, compromised of legal citizens. These are the jobs that "nobody else will do"
3. Illegal immigrants are part of the reason wages are stagnant. They work for less, so companies don't have to pay a reasonable wage.
4. Any company that hires an illegal immigrant should be fined 2% of their annual earnings per head for the first 3, and 5% per head for each thereafter.
5. Protesting in the streets, waving Mexican flags is despicable. You came to America to steal money, but that wasn't enough. Now you have to march and disrespect the opportunities afforded to you by blatantly displaying your aversion to assimilation.
In closing,
yes, i agree 
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: tripstr]
#5725633 - 06/08/06 02:41 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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1. Its not AMERICA(that includes Mexico and Canada) we are called the United States of America.
2. We're the only place that they can break a law and get rewarded for it.
3 If Mexico is such an shit hole why don't they make it better?
4 I bet they wonted stand up to there government.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Brainiac]
#5727684 - 06/08/06 05:31 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Brainiac said:
1. Its not AMERICA(that includes Mexico and Canada) we are called the United States of America.
2. We're the only place that they can break a law and get rewarded for it.
3 If Mexico is such an shit hole why don't they make it better?
4 I bet they wonted stand up to there government.
1. No shit how does this support your arguement?
2. Bullshit, they break the laws all the time in Mexico (drug traffiking) and its highly rewarded...
3. You could say that about EVERY third/second world country...
4. Huh?
your guys's arguements are very weak..
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: AliceDee]
#5741117 - 06/12/06 09:46 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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So if I cheat on my taxes for 1-5 years then I should go to jail but if I cheat on my taxes for more than 5 years I am all of a sudden not a criminal?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DoctorJ]
#5741813 - 06/12/06 01:22 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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gotta support daimyo on this one. he's right.
although personally, I am far more bothered by the political power of Mexican immigrants than the illegal workers.
imagine if all these ignorant masses got citizenship and started voting in the same kind of crooked politicians that fucked up Mexico.... ugh, and they'd probably elect the Pope president...
couldn't have said it any better. Its is also about a lot more than just Mexicans, stroll through South Florida. Let them get pissed and take back their countries, we took ours away from the British. It took little chutzpah, but we got It done.
It is also a fairly common misconception, the illegals get paid far more than 2 dollars an hour.
Here in North Carolina, we have the fastest growing population of illegal workers in the country, mostly Mexxers and Dominicans. I have lost a few good paying jobs, 15 per hour to a Mexican worker who would work for 11, it is fucked up. Also almost 90 percent of kitchen staff is now comprised of illegals, making decent money whilst preventing the Legals the opportunity to work there.
Let them Go home and take their country back.
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There is going to be a Mexican Revolution, scary huh?
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