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Offlinedaimyo
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
    #5499647 - 04/10/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes.

This isn't about pot smokers or Jews though.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
    #5499650 - 04/10/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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daimyo said:
Yes.

This isn't about pot smokers or Jews though.



No, it's about the flawed moral philosophy of strict legalism.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
    #5499717 - 04/10/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Okay heres what I see so far today. By them standing up in the streets showing their numbers saying yeah we are here yeah were here illegally and your government won't do anything about it is a very powerful message. It is showing how futile all our weak attempts at controlling this problem really is. We as Americans need to stand up and fight for our country. We really need to be using today as an opportunity to round them all up like cattle in a heard and deport them but we are just sitting around with our thumbs up our butts.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #5499750 - 04/10/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

+5 for you, if I haven't done so already. Check all those protesters status and get rid of, or lock up, the illegals.

We're gonna be like France soon. Every time some group feels they're wronged, there will be riots and general stupidity.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
    #5499758 - 04/10/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

daimyo.. your full of shit. You were born right where you stand and probably never had to work hard for shit. And dont give anybody here this excuse that you are a working citizen and pay your taxes, and that you bust your ass all day. Its not true, you are here posting stupid shit most of the time.

You have never lived in a ghetto. You have never been to Mexico. You havent seen how some people have to live there. And even if you have you were at a 5 start hotel in Nuevo Vallarta.

The bottom line is nobody has a choice as to what land they were born on. If i was born in an average Mexican town I would have the balls to get across the border and start making some money for my family. You on the other would stay there and fuckin die because you would have no balls to do anything about your shitty situation. With so many people trying to get into America legally, do u actually fuckin think most of these people would ever even have a chance to get in?

You are ignorant. Just go ahead lay back on your nice computer chair and smoke some fuckin pot, and complain about the people who produce your vegetables and build your house frames, and will still never afford what you have infront of you.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #5499766 - 04/10/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We as Americans need to stand up and fight for our country.

Unfortunately american business wants cheap labour. And until it can find a way to make americans work for a buck fifty an hour (and don't worry, it will) it will keep hiring illegals. That's the free market in action.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
    #5499768 - 04/10/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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daimyo.. your full of shit. You were born right where you stand and probably never had to work hard for shit. And dont give anybody here this excuse that you are a working citizen and pay your taxes, and that you bust your ass all day. Its not true, you are here posting stupid shit most of the time.

You have never lived in a ghetto. You have never been to Mexico. You havent seen how some people have to live there. And even if you have you were at a 5 start hotel in Nuevo Vallarta.




Don't make assumptions about people you do not know.

I have busted my ass harder than you can imagine for a miniscule amount of money, yet I am for the deportation of all illegal immigrants.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Redstorm]
    #5499771 - 04/10/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have busted my ass harder than you can imagine for a miniscule amount of money, yet I am for the deportation of all illegal immigrants.

Then you need to start a business and start hiring illegal immigrants. You'll make a fortune.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
    #5499776 - 04/10/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You didn't answer the spirit of my question. Why should you have to right to work in one of the world's richest countries just because you were born there? People become illegal immigrants because they haven't got a hope in hell of being accepted as legal immigrants.

Immigration applications are accepted based on the perceived worth of the individual. Citizenship given to people born in a country is given on an entirely indiscriminate basis.

So, why should people born in a country get automatic citizenship? Illegal immigrant have just as much right to work in a country as people born there. Hell, they've probably got more of a right, seeing as they went through the effort of moving to a different country.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
    #5499785 - 04/10/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well what do you suggest then? We just let everyone in that wants to come here in just so they can make money of our economy only to send it out of the country therefore out of our econonmy? Going at that rate all the countrys of the world will soon end up like Mexico. It's harsh I know life sucks for mexicans in Mexico but its not our problem its theirs. Thats just life. Life sucks for some people in some places and not for others in other places. Thats just the way it is.


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"The time has come the walrus said, little oysters  hide their heads, my Twain of thought is loosely bound I guess its time to Mark this down, Be good and you will be lonesome
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Ginseng1]
    #5499786 - 04/10/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

When you get all pissy, and start cursing and making assumptions about character, it degrades the content of your post considerably. Now, on with it...

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Ginseng1 said:
daimyo.. your full of shit. You were born right where you stand



I was born in a hospital, and I am not standing there. You are wrong.


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Ginseng1 said:
and probably never had to work hard for shit.



Hard is relative. I've made my way, and that's all that matters. Don't hate me because of that.

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Ginseng1 said:
And dont give anybody here this excuse that you are a working citizen and pay your taxes, and that you bust your ass all day. Its not true, you are here posting stupid shit most of the time.



I never once claimed to be a hard working, tax paying citizen.

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Ginseng1 said:
You have never lived in a ghetto. You have never been to Mexico. You havent seen how some people have to live there.



You are pretty damn sure of yourself for having never met me. What's that they say about assumptions?

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And even if you have you were at a 5 start hotel in Nuevo Vallarta.



So, I've never been there, but I might have been? You're coming apart at the seams.

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Ginseng1 said:
The bottom line is nobody has a choice as to what land they were born on. If i was born in an average Mexican town I would have the balls to get across the border and start making some money for my family. You on the other would stay there and fuckin die because you would have no balls to do anything about your shitty situation.



Are you done assaulting my character? Have you stroked your ego enough?

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With so many people trying to get into America legally, do u actually fuckin think most of these people would ever even have a chance to get in?



I don't give a fuck if they get in or not. If there's no more room for people to come in legally, then they DO NOT have the right to come here illegally.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
    #5499795 - 04/10/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Paradigm writes:

Quote:

No, it's about the flawed moral philosophy of strict legalism.




So you reject the idea of legal vs illegal immigration? Anyone should be allowed to move to any country at any time for any reason?





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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: OJK]
    #5499808 - 04/10/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:
You didn't answer the spirit of my question.



My apologies.

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Odiumjunkie said:
Why should you have to right to work in one of the world's richest countries just because you were born there?



Because I was born here, and that's how it works. We will not be one of the richest countries for long, and I don't particularly care to share what we have left.

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Odiumjunkie said:
People become illegal immigrants because they haven't got a hope in hell of being accepted as legal immigrants.



They can band together, all 10 million+, and make their country better. Overthrow the government there and fix shit. No need to break our laws.

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Odiumjunkie said:
So, why should people born in a country get automatic citizenship?



I don't necissarily agree that they should. There are many citizens that are not worth the couch they park their fat asses on that I would love to see deported.

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Odiumjunkie said:
Illegal immigrant have just as much right to work in a country as people born there. Hell, they've probably got more of a right, seeing as they went through the effort of moving to a different country.



Let them move to somewhere other than America then.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #5499834 - 04/10/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well what do you suggest then? We just let everyone in that wants to come here in just so they can make money of our economy only to send it out of the country therefore out of our econonmy?

You misunderstand. Business will make a fortune from hiring cheap labour. The average american won't see any money, in fact his wages will be kept low. But businessmen will be richer than they ever dreamed possible.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Alex213]
    #5499841 - 04/10/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dude we don't give a fuck about making the rich richer here on the shroomery for the most part we are working class people. Send them back!


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That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
    #5499856 - 04/10/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

gotta support daimyo on this one. he's right.


although personally, I am far more bothered by the political power of mexican immigrants than the illegal workers.

imagine if all these ignorant masses got citizenship and started voting in the same kind of crooked politicians that fucked up mexico.... ugh, and they'd probably elect the Pope president...


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Phred]
    #5499857 - 04/10/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Phred said:
Paradigm writes:

Quote:

No, it's about the flawed moral philosophy of strict legalism.




So you reject the idea of legal vs illegal immigration? Anyone should be allowed to move to any country at any time for any reason?



Not necessarily. I'm saying that to hate on illegal immigrants because they are "criminals" is no different than hating on pot smokers for the same reason. The law is not the ultimate measure of right and wrong.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5499859 - 04/10/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The political power is already showing. Both parties know that the Mexican population is on the rise, and they both want to capture those votes this year, and in 2008. It's a damn shame that they put getting votes above doing what's good for the country.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
    #5499933 - 04/10/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, I also think that people who live in a crappy vountry should try to fix it instead of totally bailing to go somewhere better. If they actually cared about Mexico, then they wouldn't be waving the Mexican flag in America. Just the fact that these people ditched out on a tough situation shows what kind of character they have.


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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5500393 - 04/10/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Same as the Americans that want to move to Canada or Europe because they don't like Bush. Losers that will never make it in life because they run from hard times.


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