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 daimyo
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 Re: Illegal Immigrants  [Re: Ginseng1]
#5499357 - 04/10/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ginseng1 said:
Maybe if the U.S. wasnt one big coorporation, your minimum wage would be up.
The U.S. is not one big corporation.
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Ginseng1 said:
Blaming it on people who dont complain about how little they get paid, compared the scraps of lint they make on the other side of the border, is just stupid.
It's not stupid. They are part of the reason. Bringing up what they might make had they stayed in their country has no bearing on this discussion. Trying to stir emotions in order to garner compassion for these criminals is lame.
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Ginseng1 said:
and reason?? U think america uses REASON!!?!?!?!
I was talking about you, not America. YOU should use reason!!!one!
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499358 - 04/10/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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We need a huge wall and military instalations all across the mexican border to help fill the holes that our border guards miss.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499360 - 04/10/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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What do you mean preach?? Im not preaching its true. Now that there are demonstrations in a bunch of major cities with almost a million expected to turn out you don't think they have a voice? I mean that kind of attendance is more then we can say about May day marijauna marches. We are so fucked Bush isn't going to do a damn thing to help the situation.
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daimyo
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Preach = keep telling the truth, I agree with you.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499378 - 04/10/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know I actually voted for Bush last election. Ive been pretty dissapointed with his performance but I don't think the alternative would have turned out much better though. I would have at least expected him to step up and do something to secure the border though especially with all the terrorism scares to use as an excuse to secure it.
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Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499386 - 04/10/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey man, these people have gotten nothing but shit all their lives, and they just cant come across the border legally. they pay their lifes savings to be taken across so they can work and send the money back to their remaining family members in mexico. you ever been to a bad part of mexico man, cause if you did youdnever post this. lifes not as easy as youve got it everywhere, not everyone can hop on a computer and complain that their lack of success in life is due to poor people doing the dirty work youre too stuck up to do.
id hope that if us citizens had the right to deport people of our choice, youd be gone in a minute.
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if you love america so much youd love what its supposed to stand for: freedom for everyone
you want it for yourself
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499416 - 04/10/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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to say they're criminals is correct. HOWEVER, according to this country's laws, so are we because mostly everyone here on the shroomery breaks the law by using recreational drugs.
but i agree, illegal aliens should not be able to work in the U.S. granted, conditions in mexico suck. but check this out: Mexico has it's own illegal immigrant problem. all the countries south of mexico are in even shittier shape, so they get the same problems we do. what does the Mexican government do? no questions asked, illegals are deported immediatly. period.
so if the shoe was on the other foot, i would be a mexican and the mexicans would run this country. we wouldnt even have the opportunity they already have. the mexican people dont give a shit about americans. i know DAMN well they wouldnt help us if we needed it. so why the fuck do i have to pay for Paco's 18 children? while it is helpful to switch perspectives in an argument sometimes, you have to remember to think about what the other person would do if things were swapped for them.
i know one thing's for sure... i wouldn't move to another country to set up shop and fuckin put out as many welfare kids as possible. ive got way too much self respect for that. i wont live off of other people's charity, which is essentially what they're doing, only the charity is being forced upon us.
and fuck, LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE. i dont care where people come from, this is a problem with all aliens. the reading/writing requirements need to be reformed so that people who can actually communicate can get here. its absolutely rediculous that people just expect everything to be handed to them and expect everyone in america to change just because they're here. fuck that. existance does not equal importance. you've got to earn things here, nobody ever gave me free shit. oh wait, im a white male, that means i automatically have it "better" than everyone else. nevermind.
and if something isn't done about this, do you think it's going to stop? hell no, it's just going to get worse and worse. when everyone sees that America has become too scared to do anything these days, they'll be across the border in a heartbeat. whats to stop them? we're practically sending invitations.
the fact is illegal aliens put a strain on the economy, legal ones do not. so either come in legally, or don't come at all. it's not racism, some people just don't want to face the fact that life is hard. deal with it. not everyone is going to be happy all the time.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: PurpleKush]
#5499472 - 04/10/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let them, but deny them social services (health care, education etc.) why? because they don't pay taxes and don't directly contribute these service. Other than that, let them stay.
They are not "taking" anybodys job. If you are outcompeted for work by a Mexican with no formal training or skill set then your labor isn't worth that much anyway.
Also, they work cheaper which makes our products cheaper. Who else is going to mow my lawn for $30 a month?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499505 - 04/10/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why should being born in a particular country give you greater rights than someone born somewhere else? Do you feel that being born on the correct side of an imaginary line was some kind of achievement?
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH
I like the illegals but I'd rather they be legal... 
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499577 - 04/10/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499584 - 04/10/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Any illegal immigrant should be sent back to their home state. Sneaking over the border is a metaphorical spitting on all the people who go through the correct venues to immigrate here.
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daimyo
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gogrowgo123 said:
hey man, these people have gotten nothing but shit all their lives,
Not my problem, and should be of no concern to my country. Let them fix their own country instead of running from a problem like some little kid.
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gogrowgo123 said:
and they just cant come across the border legally.
Yes they can.
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gogrowgo123 said:
id hope that if us citizens had the right to deport people of our choice, youd be gone in a minute.
And I'd deport you 
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daimyo
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gogrowgo123 said:
if you love america so much youd love what its supposed to stand for: freedom for everyone
All citizens. Fuck the rest of the world.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499594 - 04/10/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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daimyo said:
1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
Pot smokers are criminals too. Should they be treated as such?
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: PurpleKush]
#5499601 - 04/10/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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PurpleKush said:
to say they're criminals is correct. HOWEVER, according to this country's laws, so are we because mostly everyone here on the shroomery breaks the law by using recreational drugs.
And all are aware of the possible consequences.
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PurpleKush said:
and fuck, LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE. i dont care where people come from, this is a problem with all aliens. the reading/writing requirements need to be reformed so that people who can actually communicate can get here. its absolutely rediculous that people just expect everything to be handed to them and expect everyone in america to change just because they're here. fuck that. existance does not equal importance. you've got to earn things here, nobody ever gave me free shit. oh wait, im a white male, that means i automatically have it "better" than everyone else. nevermind.
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PurpleKush said:
the fact is illegal aliens put a strain on the economy, legal ones do not. so either come in legally, or don't come at all. it's not racism, some people just don't want to face the fact that life is hard. deal with it. not everyone is going to be happy all the time.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
#5499630 - 04/10/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Paradigm said:
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daimyo said:
1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
Pot smokers are criminals too. Should they be treated as such?
If they are caught breaking the law, they deserve what they get.
I don't agree with the law, but I don't care enough to try and change it either.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: OJK]
#5499639 - 04/10/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Odiumjunkie said:
Why should being born in a particular country give you greater rights than someone born somewhere else?
While I believe there should be some universal rights, I do not believe that all privliges should be.
Come here legally and you will have equal status.
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Odiumjunkie said:
Do you feel that being born on the correct side of an imaginary line was some kind of achievement?
No. And, the lines are not imaginary.
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Re: Illegal Immigrants [Re: daimyo]
#5499645 - 04/10/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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daimyo said:
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Paradigm said:
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daimyo said:
1. They are not "undocumented workers". They are criminals and deserve to be treated as such.
Pot smokers are criminals too. Should they be treated as such?
If they are caught breaking the law, they deserve what they get.
I don't agree with the law, but I don't care enough to try and change it either.
So if there was a law against being Jewish, you would support treating the Jews as criminals?
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