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Subs in woodchip
    #5498859 - 04/10/06 06:30 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Hi, im not really knew, this is just a new account, cant remember my old login :/

anyways, im in melb, been reading that subs popup in woodchip, pineneedles, sawdust, mulch, and landscaped gardens... etc

so my question to u guys is... can it be as simple as going to the home and garden store, purchasing items like sawdust, tanbark, pinemulch and the like. and placing them all over my garden in time for the season?
is there a remote possibility i will get subs growing in my garden this way?

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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: moshroom]
    #5498868 - 04/10/06 06:42 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

There is a non-zero probability.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: ivi]
    #5498873 - 04/10/06 06:45 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

thanx for the quick reply,
however what is the explanation of how they accure natually at landscaped city gardens?


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: moshroom]
    #5498910 - 04/10/06 07:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldnt say it couldnt happen but its a slim chance. My garden was fully mulched around 2 years ago and i got 2, seperate patches last season (2005.) They weren't huge, but it did show that the mulch was enough to support mycelial growth and produce mushrooms.

But yeah, just because there is mulch doesnt automatically mean mushrooms are going to grow.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: DepthToTheCore]
    #5498916 - 04/10/06 07:33 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

excellent, thanx dood.

im lucky enuff to live in the eastern suburbs of melb so there are plenty of spots right outside my door.

i was just looking for a lazy way out :P


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: moshroom]
    #5498975 - 04/10/06 08:08 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Haha yeah. If you are in eastern suburbs there are defenitely patches everywhere, dont even bother with the mulching. The lazy way out would be too go hunting, it would take less effort hehe.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: DepthToTheCore]
    #5500269 - 04/10/06 05:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

eheh yea i guess your right.
just getting too impatient, im wondering if this seasons gonna be more like 2001/2 or 2004/5, hope its not the later.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: moshroom]
    #5500281 - 04/10/06 05:45 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

shrooms usually appear in bark gardens from the council mulching up bits of tree and shit from local forests where shrooms naturally grow, the spores can then get incorporated in the wood chips and thus grow where it is spread. It's not likely, but it does happen as i know i few places.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: Coitus]
    #5500935 - 04/10/06 09:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

they will never pop up in woodchip beds.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: TheShroomNinja]
    #5502337 - 04/11/06 05:14 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

What wont? Subs? I hope your joking, what else do they grow out of?


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: TheShroomNinja]
    #5502376 - 04/11/06 06:30 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i think he is talkign about a different type of mushroom - Pan subbatl not Ps.suaberuginosa which loves wood mulch.
You can do that - buy yourself some new mukch, but your better transplanting older mulch with a few colonised wood chips and then watch the patch grow every year...I miss my old house...


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5503399 - 04/11/06 02:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I think this might be some confusion about Pan subbalteatus, or subbs which grow in straw and manure, and Psilocybe subaero...(can't spell right now) which grow in wood chips down under and elsewhere.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: xmush]
    #5504885 - 04/11/06 09:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I think most people mean Psilocybe subaeruginosa when they say subs.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: DepthToTheCore]
    #5504892 - 04/11/06 09:06 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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What wont? Subs? I hope your joking, what else do they grow out of?





After an intense study of them i know this. they only love horse dung and rotted hay stacks. pan subs i mean.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: TheShroomNinja]
    #5505681 - 04/11/06 11:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Usually people write subbs for pan subbs, and subs for psil subaeruginosa. But if you're on the top of the planet, any spelling usually referes to pans, if you're on the bottom, subaeruginosa.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: moshroom]
    #5584321 - 05/03/06 02:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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moshroom said:
thanx for the quick reply,
however what is the explanation of how they accure natually at landscaped city gardens?




Well were do woodchips come from? ... the cutting up of trees in forests, right? Subs occur in pine and eucalypt forests, as mushrooms drop large quantites of spores they'd get into the batches of woodchips before shipping to the garden/ landscaping store or wherever. The chips are laid, natural or unnatural watering occurs and the spores germinate into mycelium. The mycelium colonizes the substrate and when conditions are favourable, fruiting occurs.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: OOISI]
    #5584338 - 05/03/06 02:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

fuck man, i duno if it coz im trippin out right now..but that was an intense description man...lol ahhhhhhhhhh


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: TheShroomNinja]
    #5584348 - 05/03/06 03:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

everyone else is talking about subaeruginosa mate.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5584403 - 05/03/06 04:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

that was an excellent description thanx heaps for that, we should make a rule that subs = subaeruginosa and subbs = pan subbs.
would someone need much colonized bark to transplant? or just a few mycelium covered chips?


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: moshroom]
    #5584424 - 05/03/06 05:06 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

an Australian thread about 'subs' there is a 99.99% chance that its about Psilocybe subaeruginosa as Panaeolus subbalteatus is very uncommon here, or at least very few people look for it. maybe call we should call them subaes instead as you cant mistake that for subbalteatus


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: moshroom]
    #5584660 - 05/03/06 09:16 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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that was an excellent description thanx heaps for that, we should make a rule that subs = subaeruginosa and subbs = pan subbs.
would someone need much colonized bark to transplant? or just a few mycelium covered chips?




Well, if you used a few colonized woodchips it would take longer for the mycelial network to establish than if you used many colonized chips.

Edit: I re-read it, are you purposely differentiating bark and woodchips? If so, any option you mentioned will work, but id say myc takes better to woodchips than bark. Even if one were to transfer a small amount of myc bark to moist eucalypt or pine chips, it should take well. This is cause it has lots of prime substrate with which it can attach itself to.


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: OOISI]
    #5778857 - 06/22/06 02:06 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Is it possible to attain a Subaeruginosa mycelium network via using different substrate, for example T-tree chips from home, instead of pine or eucalyptus? my  fire wood gathering produces a lot of chip,using the good old axe... I've saved it up... combined with some sawdust. I have layed few layers of newspaper thinly beneath it in and on the soil. To create more moisture under the chip and to give another level of substance for the network of mycelium to congregate... Half of the chip is so soft you can break it up with your hands... i thought that would be an interesting substrate for the strain because it is so moist they might love it...the other half of the chip is not rotting... there are some big bits of chip too... so in time it could go off, that is if they are compatible, my mate showed me his patch where mycelium was ripely growing all over his newspaper directly in soil maybe 1mm under. Lotsa nice fresh perfect looking cyas or maybe they were subs they looked to perfect to be subs... however he has given me some of the newspaper with lots of mycelium  :laugh: now the paper and chip is down... i planted some plants similar to my mates patch, to try and create a similar environment for them to thrive in .... rosemary plant etc... no over crowding or anything...it looks good... i may get two strains eventually come up  because i have his mycelium on the news paper and also transfered mycelium from three or four other sub patches i have found. Additionally i picked some fresh small perfectly developed subs,  roots and all. To really Get things going and to see if  a transplant might work or give a higher chance of spores turning into mycelium, fingers crossed eh???.... they look like they are still growing... Will i get Fruits this Year if I'm lucky?


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Re: Subs in woodchip [Re: ]
    #5779192 - 06/22/06 03:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

SO It is possible, and ill need to support the mycelium with back up mycelium too it sounds like... man this site is gold...


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